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AlliedArmory
12-11-2008, 3:32 PM
im currently looking at 2 different 22lr conversions for my up and coming AR.

anyone have any feedback on the CMMG and Spikes models?

the nickel finish on the Spikes sure looks nice. just wondering which one is better from experience though.

thanks

BroncoBob
12-11-2008, 3:49 PM
Go with a dedicated system such as the Spikes ST-22.

AlliedArmory
12-11-2008, 3:55 PM
Go with a dedicated system such as the Spikes ST-22.



$600 is a bit much. $200 is about right


if i was gonna spend that much money i would just buy a gsg-5 for less

Jeffy
12-11-2008, 4:48 PM
I've been waiting for the CMMG conversion since they announced it. It was supposed to go on sale back in October but have only just started to trickle out.

I like both kits since they come with the Black Dog mag which accounts for the additional price. Really though, I doubt you'll have trouble with either.

pacrimguru
12-11-2008, 4:51 PM
i have a spike's dedicated and i love it. just my two cents.

CHS
12-11-2008, 4:56 PM
http://velocityfirearms.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=57

A little more money than a conversion kit, but it's an entire upper and comes with a black dog mag. I'm saving up for one of these.

River Jack
12-11-2008, 4:59 PM
Spikes are sweet. I absolutely love mine. Worth every penny. Although expensive up front, it will eventually be much cheaper in the long run when you consider the difference in the cost of ammo.

Blacktail 8541
12-11-2008, 5:02 PM
I have a dedicated build based off the Spikes system and was impressed enough to order their conversion fror my 1/12 A1 upper.

AlliedArmory
12-11-2008, 5:14 PM
http://velocityfirearms.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=57

A little more money than a conversion kit, but it's an entire upper and comes with a black dog mag. I'm saving up for one of these.


for $335 thats not bad at all. any reviews on this one? carbon fiber upper.....

Hopi
12-11-2008, 5:18 PM
for $335 thats not bad at all. any reviews on this one? carbon fiber upper.....

Isn't that a Hesse company? Their "about us" page is pretty telling...

AlliedArmory
12-11-2008, 5:26 PM
Isn't that a Hesse company? Their "about us" page is pretty telling...



hahha

Hopi
12-11-2008, 5:36 PM
hahha

to be fair, i have that same upper receiver. I got it super cheap and Vs. the velocity assembly, mine has a bushie barrel and legit internals.

I plan on using it for a pistol, being a dual use .22 semi auto and single shot .223 upper assembly.

We'll see how it works.

CHS
12-11-2008, 6:11 PM
Isn't that a Hesse company? Their "about us" page is pretty telling...

It's also just a .22. I know the vulvan/hesse connection, but don't really care as far as .22 goes. I definitely wouldn't buy one of theirs in .223. But really, how bad could a .22 be using standard uppers and conversion kits.

RECCE556
12-11-2008, 6:19 PM
Why not get a Ceiner kit? They work great....

RP1911
12-11-2008, 6:20 PM
It's also just a .22. I know the vulvan/hesse connection, but don't really care as far as .22 goes. I definitely wouldn't buy one of theirs in .223. But really, how bad could a .22 be using standard uppers and conversion kits.

Talk about a Freudian typo

lunchb0x
12-11-2008, 7:21 PM
I just recently acquired a Model 1 Sales 22lr. upper.... cost was like $550 (with some added options) and I have to say its well worth it. I've had it for like a week and have already gone thru approx. 1400 rounds. Now of course at first there were a couple FTF and a couple FTE, but its a 22 so you kind of have expected that :)

pbrand
12-11-2008, 7:28 PM
+1 to 22lr options. i like seeing what comes up on here.

One thing I did not like about going to a conversion kit for my current AR is dirtying it up with nasty cheap 22 ammo and having that effect the performance of my rifle. What is the professional opinion on this?

Jeffy
12-11-2008, 7:34 PM
Why not get a Ceiner kit? They work great....

Ciener has less then steller customer service. The Bulldog Mags (CMMG & Spikes) are a lot nicer then the Ciener and worth the extra cost. Shoot jacketing ammo and the 5.56 upper should stay cleaner.

As long as your not shooting 22LR all the time, and occasionally shoot 556 to at least clean it out ever 3-500rnds, it should be fine.

pbrand
12-11-2008, 7:44 PM
Ciener has less then steller customer service. The Bulldog Mags (CMMG & Spikes) are a lot nicer then the Ciener and worth the extra cost. Shoot jacketing ammo and the 5.56 upper should stay cleaner.

As long as your not shooting 22LR all the time, and occasionally shoot 556 to at least clean it out ever 3-500rnds, it should be fine.

Thats good to hear Jeffy, so you recommend the CMMG conversion kit then? This may be a stupid question but what is "jacketing" ammo?

Infidel
12-11-2008, 7:52 PM
I have the ciener kit and I love it. I have got about 2000 rounds through it, I just keep it cleaned and lubed and it runs fine. The only complaint I have is that it doesn't like the Remington Golden Bullet .22 HP's, I have heard there are a lot of other ammo's that work but I just skipped straight to the CCI Mini Mags and haven't had one FTF since.

My understanding of the Spikes kit is that it's basically a Electroless Nickel finish on an updated Ciener kit the finish is supposed to help keep everything slick which is a major problem with the Cieners because after about 400 rounds I have heard they start to hang up and need to be lubed again. I personally haven't experienced this (I tend to run mine wet) but its supposedly a common problem.

If you can afford it I say go with the Spikes and let us know how it works. Otherwise the Ciener and CMMG are about the same price.

Jeffy
12-12-2008, 10:31 AM
Thats good to hear Jeffy, so you recommend the CMMG conversion kit then? This may be a stupid question but what is "jacketing" ammo?

I don't think you can go wrong with either the Spike's or CMMG.

Jacketed, as in has a copper jacket and not just a lead bullet. Lead tends to foul up the rifling more and will eventually plug up the hole for the gas tube if not cleaned. Shooting some 556 will clear out any carbon that might be in the gas tube.

The Spikes and CMMG are the same price at, $199 while the Ceiner is $139 if you can find it. Brownell has dropped it in favor of the CMMG.

The main differences are the Black Dog Mags which sell for $35. Then know if anything happens to break, Spike or CMMG will stand by their product. I'm sure they have improved the design a bit. There are slight differences with each one.

6172crew
12-12-2008, 12:12 PM
I bought a spikes and although it seems to work in semi-auto just fine the thing won't run in full auto. I called them and have never heard back, if you have any issues with the upper you may have to fix it yourself is all I'm saying.

I was hoping to have a few thousand rounds threw it by now but have put 50 rounds into it mostly trying to troubleshoot the FA trip, weight and springs that came with upper.

Hopi
12-12-2008, 12:18 PM
I bought a spikes and although it seems to work in semi-auto just fine the thing won't run in full auto.......

I love ya man, and I'm really trying to muster some sympathy for you...really, I'm trying....:p

AlliedArmory
12-12-2008, 9:17 PM
Why not get a Ceiner kit? They work great....



i would do that, but i dont have an 223 upper yet. cant find one in stock anywhere.

anywhere have that Spikes dedicated in stock? I dont feel good with a carbon fiber upper.

AlliedArmory
12-12-2008, 9:55 PM
most people are telling me to get a dedicated 22lr upper.

whats your guys input on the 2

Model 1 and Spikes

those r probably the 2 i am aiming for right now

lunchb0x
12-13-2008, 8:14 AM
I chose the Model1 upper because its a .22... I couldn't see paying the extr*****$ for Spike Coolness factor. :)

offrdmania
12-13-2008, 10:04 AM
I chose the Model1 upper because its a .22... I couldn't see paying the extr*****$ for Spike Coolness factor. :)

I dont understand what you are saying? Both Model 1 and Spikes are .22. Spikes and Model 1 are practically the same price. A basic Spikes upper is $570 and a Model 1 upper isnt far behind. For the extra $30 bucks it is well worth it to buy Spikes.

tommyid1
12-13-2008, 10:11 AM
Talk about a Freudian typo

whats a vulvan lol :p

-hanko
12-13-2008, 2:24 PM
Originally Posted by bdsmchs
It's also just a .22. I know the vulvan/hesse connection, but don't really care as far as .22 goes.

Talk about a Freudian typo
If you've tried working with Mr. Hesse for customer's (3 at least) el-crappo fal receivers, it's not a typo and definitely apropos;) BTDT, no t-shirt.

-hanko

lunchb0x
12-14-2008, 6:41 PM
I dont understand what you are saying? Both Model 1 and Spikes are .22. Spikes and Model 1 are practically the same price. A basic Spikes upper is $570 and a Model 1 upper isnt far behind. For the extra $30 bucks it is well worth it to buy Spikes.

Well if it was only $30 bucks I would have bought the Spikes... But according to Model 1's website, their 22lr start out at $475 (for the 16" C.A.R HB) and $525 (for the 16" M4 look alike).... the 20" Stainless Steel Fluted upper starts at $570. Now Spikes on the otherhand start at $600 (and thats without a gas block/A2 front sight) so its a little more than $30... more like $125.

So IMO I just think you're paying for a "Coolness Factor" on the Spikes upper. I mean after all a dedicated .22lr AR platform rifle is just an expensive plinking gun so I didn't feel the need to go overboard on it :)

pbrand
12-14-2008, 6:49 PM
Anyone if, and how long the backorder is for the .22lr conversion kit from CMMG? I am seriously thinking about placing my order tomorrow based on what everyone here has said.

solo3937
12-14-2008, 7:06 PM
Anyone if, and how long the backorder is for the .22lr conversion kit from CMMG? I am seriously thinking about placing my order tomorrow based on what everyone here has said.


Check with Brownell's. They had them in stock last week.

pbrand
12-14-2008, 7:25 PM
Check with Brownell's. They had them in stock last week.

They do have it in stock!! I am placing my order now thanks! Anybody know where to pick up some used Blackdog magazines now lol?

lunchb0x
12-14-2008, 7:32 PM
They do have it in stock!! I am placing my order now thanks! Anybody know where to pick up some used Blackdog magazines now lol?

Not sure where you could get them used but Brownells had the mags in stock last week (I ordered 3 of the 10 rounders :) )

pbrand
12-14-2008, 7:46 PM
Not sure where you could get them used but Brownells had the mags in stock last week (I ordered 3 of the 10 rounders :) )

How much per mag?

lunchb0x
12-14-2008, 8:21 PM
$22 if you're LEO or C&R FFL... $35 for the average consumer.

offrdmania
12-14-2008, 9:15 PM
Well if it was only $30 bucks I would have bought the Spikes... But according to Model 1's website, their 22lr start out at $475 (for the 16" C.A.R HB) and $525 (for the 16" M4 look alike).... the 20" Stainless Steel Fluted upper starts at $570. Now Spikes on the otherhand start at $600 (and thats without a gas block/A2 front sight) so its a little more than $30... more like $125.

So IMO I just think you're paying for a "Coolness Factor" on the Spikes upper. I mean after all a dedicated .22lr AR platform rifle is just an expensive plinking gun so I didn't feel the need to go overboard on it :)

Sorry, when I bought mine from Spikes it was $570 complete with gas block but that was before Obama mania

AlliedArmory
12-16-2008, 1:32 PM
I ended up getting a Spike's Conversion Kit. Thanks for all the input guys. I ordered direct from Skike's and it shipped out within 1 day.

AlliedArmory
12-16-2008, 2:05 PM
How much per mag?


direct from spike's $30

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=133

pbrand
12-16-2008, 2:07 PM
I ended up getting a Spike's Conversion Kit. Thanks for all the input guys. I ordered direct from Skike's and it shipped out within 1 day.

Let me know how the accuracy is on that.. I have been looking into either the Spikes or CMMG.

AlliedArmory
12-16-2008, 2:21 PM
Let me know how the accuracy is on that.. I have been looking into either the Spikes or CMMG.



will do.

ill post a range report in Jan after this is all put together

lunchb0x
12-16-2008, 4:33 PM
Let me know how the accuracy is on that.. I have been looking into either the Spikes or CMMG.

The accuracy of the conversion kit is going to depend on your barrel's twist rate... the slower the twist the more accurate its going to be.

AlliedArmory
12-16-2008, 9:05 PM
my barrel is a 1/9 twist rate

lunchb0x
12-16-2008, 9:16 PM
Ideally you want a 22lr something more around 1/15 or 1/16.

AlliedArmory
12-23-2008, 9:56 PM
got my spike's 22lr today. looks sweet out of the package. now ineed my lower to come so i can use all this stuff i have bought

Jicko
01-06-2009, 4:18 PM
Any verdict yet? CMMG or SpikeTactical?

Bimmer2
01-06-2009, 4:30 PM
Yeah, I ordered a CMMG kit from BDM. They sell them and have a good selection of magazines (duh).

Unfortunately, they were all sold out of the Lakeside springs and extractors. Anybody know a good source?

Jicko
01-06-2009, 4:31 PM
Yeah, I ordered a CMMG kit from BDM. They sell them and have a good selection of magazines (duh).

Unfortunately, they were all sold out of the Lakeside springs and extractors. Anybody know a good source?

You mean "Lakeside springs and extractors"? why are they good?

BroncoBob
01-06-2009, 4:32 PM
got my spike's 22lr today. looks sweet out of the package. now ineed my lower to come so i can use all this stuff i have bought

$600.00 or $200.00? Sounds like you made the correct choice. Now while you got your wallet out spend some more $$ and yours can look like this.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk75/223Bob/MVC-012F-2.jpg

Bimmer2
01-06-2009, 4:40 PM
Yes, Lakeside springs and extractors...

I hope that I won't have any problems, but in my experience I can virtually GUARANTEE that something will be trouble-free if I stockpile spare parts for it!

Bimmer