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Artery
12-11-2008, 12:11 AM
I'm looking into getting a .338 bolt gun and wanted to see what your guys' opinions were. I'm considering a custom built R700 based gun, or perhaps an Accuracy International AWM (or whatever else is out there I don't know about). The gun would have to be tough as nails and hold a zero after being kicked around. I'm not looking for a featherweight hunting rig...

draconianruler
12-11-2008, 12:19 AM
I'm looking to get one as well. I'm looking into the Sako TRG-42 or if I can find one of the Remington 700P MLR since its much cheaper. Take pics when you get one.

ohsmily
12-11-2008, 12:23 AM
I'm looking into getting a .338 bolt gun and wanted to see what your guys' opinions were. I'm considering a custom built R700 based gun, or perhaps an Accuracy International AWM (or whatever else is out there I don't know about). The gun would have to be tough as nails and hold a zero after being kicked around. I'm not looking for a featherweight hunting rig...

Try the search function. There have been numerous threads asking the same question.

With that said, if you have some specific questions, I will answer them (my only experience with 338 Lapua is with my TRG-42 in 338 Lapua and reloading for that rifle). So, this is going to be strictly a hunting rig for you? Or will you be target shooting/competition shooting? If it is only for hunting, there are other suitable rounds out there that don't have the significant cost that is associated with Lapua brass.

Artery
12-11-2008, 1:06 AM
No, its strictly not going to be a hunting rig, its going to be a target shooting/sniper rifle. I hate to use the term 'sniper rifle' since its thrown about by so many to mean anything with a scope, to me a 'sniper rifle' is a tough high power rifle combining superlative accuracy with rock solid durability.

I'm aware of the (extraordinary) cost of shooting .338, but I've decided to finally take the plunge into something with extraordinary range capability. Sorry if the question has been asked before. Frankly I don't yet have specific questions, I'm just trying to get a feel for member's own impressions of their rifles and the ones they've shot. I suppose one question I'd have is who stocks a AWM or something similar within 2 hours of the east bay. I have a feeling the answer is 'no-one.' I am very willing, and probably will have this rifle custom built, but if theres an off the shelf solution I would by no means be against that.

Oh and can someone tell me how to pronounce "Lapua?!" Ive heard it as "La Pu AH" and "lapooa.'

4literranger485
12-11-2008, 7:29 AM
Oh and can someone tell me how to pronounce "Lapua?!" Ive heard it as "La Pu AH" and "lapooa.'

both of those sound the same when i sound it out :D try "La-poowa"

rksimple
12-11-2008, 7:33 AM
If you have the money for an AWSM, just get it. Get a custom if you want to save a little money.

pottymouth310
12-11-2008, 8:27 AM
remember: if your going to get a gun like that expect to spend $2K or more on optics. Do you have a ideal for your budget?
ex: AI= $6,000, S&B or USO $3,000 your looking at minimum $9,000 That's not including rings, ex:mags (you only get one) & ammo.

No fun shooting .338 lapua with iron sights:51:

dfletcher
12-11-2008, 9:16 AM
I'm looking into getting a .338 bolt gun and wanted to see what your guys' opinions were. I'm considering a custom built R700 based gun, or perhaps an Accuracy International AWM (or whatever else is out there I don't know about). The gun would have to be tough as nails and hold a zero after being kicked around. I'm not looking for a featherweight hunting rig...

I have an AR 30 and a friend has an HS Takedown and FN Mini Hecate in 338 Lapua. Each is what I would consider a target rifle (fairly heavy overall and heavy barrel) and are easy to shoot. Each is braked of course.

There's a fellow on GB who offers custom built 338 LM on a Rem 700 - he's been on there a long time, must be doing something right. Bijou Creek Gunsmithing, I think. Type in 338 Lapu & he should come up.

HS will I'm sure build one for you and you can have solid stock or takedown. I have one but am not a big takedown fan - dicking around with scope adjustments after barrel changes and such. Check out the HS sight, I think they'll list a price.

The TRG is comfortable, usually available with a little looking and excellent. CZ even has a 338 LM that is very definitely a target gun and uses an HS stock, about $2,500.00. Having a few CZs I would expect it to be very accurate, but get sort of an "It's a what?" reaction.

The AR 30 is fine, excellent accuracy, but not the most comftablely configured gun. No recoil though.

And I'd go with "lapooa" with a very flat inflection.

brando
12-11-2008, 9:39 AM
The AI AWSM is a fantastic rifle, but prices are really high these days. The AR30 is a good value and often where many start with an intermediate caliber like that. The TRG-42 is has an edge over the AR30, in my opinion, particularly with the bipod design and ergonomics. The new DTA SRS is in the same price range and is a more compact bullpup design. Barrett has their new 98B coming out next year, but I suspect it'll be overpriced compared to most.

One important thing to consider with .338LM is hand loading. This is a cartridge designed for shooting in the 1000-1600m arena, not plinking, so it would behoove you to be making your own precision hand loads. Brass is expensive and loaded factory ammo is close to .50BMG prices, so being able to cut the cost per shot in half with reloads is the only way to go, from my point of view. And while you're at it, get good quality glass if you're going to shoot that far.

ar15barrels
12-11-2008, 9:44 AM
I'm looking into getting a .338 bolt gun and wanted to see what your guys' opinions were. I'm considering a custom built R700 based gun, or perhaps an Accuracy International AWM (or whatever else is out there I don't know about). The gun would have to be tough as nails and hold a zero after being kicked around. I'm not looking for a featherweight hunting rig...
No, its strictly not going to be a hunting rig, its going to be a target shooting/sniper rifle. I hate to use the term 'sniper rifle' since its thrown about by so many to mean anything with a scope, to me a 'sniper rifle' is a tough high power rifle combining superlative accuracy with rock solid durability.

Where do you plan to shoot this rifle?
What distance will you have available to you?

ohsmily
12-11-2008, 9:49 AM
Oh and can someone tell me how to pronounce "Lapua?!" Ive heard it as "La Pu AH" and "lapooa.'

WTH? "La Pu Ah" and "lapooa." =

The correct way to pronounce it and the accepted way to pronounce it in the US are two different things.

The proper way is to pronounce it with an emphasis on the first syllable "LA" and saying the remaining two without emphasis. If said properly, it sounds more like "LAW pwa" because the "poo" part is pronounced quickly and not annunciated.

Most Americans pronounce it "la POO a" with the emphasis on the second syllable (poo). While this isn't technically correct, it is the most common way.

Dragunov
12-11-2008, 11:46 AM
I'm looking into getting a .338 bolt gun and wanted to see what your guys' opinions were. I'm considering a custom built R700 based gun, or perhaps an Accuracy International AWM (or whatever else is out there I don't know about). The gun would have to be tough as nails and hold a zero after being kicked around. I'm not looking for a featherweight hunting rig...

A word of warning! .338 Lapua is very hard on barrels! 800 to 1100 rounds
and you need to change the barrel due to throat wear (Quite expensive!). I'm thinking of purchacing a Tac-Ops rifle and the Guy told me about this and recommended:
.270 .7.62x51 or 30.06

He said to stay away from:
7mmMag, .338 and .300Mag for the same reasons. At $4200 and a $1000 replacement barrel, that is a tidy sum!

rksimple
12-11-2008, 11:58 AM
A word of warning! .338 Lapua is very hard on barrels! 800 to 1100 rounds
and you need to change the barrel due to throat wear (Quite expensive!). I'm thinking of purchacing a Tac-Ops rifle and the Guy told me about this and recommended:
.270 .7.62x51 or 30.06

He said to stay away from:
7mmMag, .338 and .300Mag for the same reasons. At $4200 and a $1000 replacement barrel, that is a tidy sum!

The guy you spoke with isn't very bright. He recommended a .270...really...?

ar15barrels
12-11-2008, 12:04 PM
A word of warning! .338 Lapua is very hard on barrels! 800 to 1100 rounds
and you need to change the barrel due to throat wear (Quite expensive!).
I'm thinking of purchacing a Tac-Ops rifle and the Guy told me about this and recommended:
.270 .7.62x51 or 30.06

He said to stay away from:
7mmMag, .338 and .300Mag for the same reasons. At $4200 and a $1000 replacement barrel, that is a tidy sum!

It's not $1000 to replace a barrel unless you are talking about an AI.
More like $500 on a custom build.
Barrels wear, that's just part of the cost of shooting them.
If the cost of barrels is an issue, you are in the wrong sport.
Also, barrels can be "set back" to renew the throat at least once for considerably less than replacing it.

rksimple
12-11-2008, 12:11 PM
It's not $1000 to replace a barrel unless you are talking about an AI.


Maybe thats what tac ops charges. They seem quite proud of their stuff.

brando
12-11-2008, 12:17 PM
A good .338LM should last longer than 1000 rounds. They are closer to .300WM barrel longevity.

Solidsnake87
12-11-2008, 2:03 PM
Yeah. I've been considering .338 for myself for target. The ballistic coefficient of .7+ for some of the sierra stuff is attractive. However, I'm worried about brass cost and low barrel life. I've hear .338 barrels are good for 3k rounds before quitting but I've obviously never shot one out.

5150Marcelo
12-11-2008, 2:11 PM
Check out the EDM Arms M98 WindRunner in 338 Lapua.

rksimple
12-11-2008, 2:34 PM
However, I'm worried about brass cost and low barrel life. I've hear .338 barrels are good for 3k rounds before quitting but I've obviously never shot one out.

You gotta pay to play. 243's and 260's kill barrels around the 3k mark as well. There's no free lunch when it comes to BC and velocity.

brando
12-11-2008, 2:45 PM
The Windrunner is in the $7.5k range. Seriously, for most people contemplating moving up from .308 to .338LM, it's better to just go with .300WM. It's much, much cheaper to shoot and will stay supersonic out to similar distances. .338LM is almost as big of a commitment as .408 Cheytac.

CleverName
12-11-2008, 3:12 PM
You gotta pay to play. 243's and 260's kill barrels around the 3k mark as well. There's no free lunch when it comes to BC and velocity.

260 Rem included? I thought that had a pretty good barrel life.

rksimple
12-11-2008, 3:14 PM
260 Rem included? I thought that had a pretty good barrel life.

Depends on how fast you push them and accuracy requirements. Most get around 3500-4k. 243's burn things up around 2-3k.

cocorador
12-11-2008, 4:42 PM
I have a Sako TRG-42 and a Surgeon XL, both in 338 Lapua. I like them both. The Sako can save you some money on the rifle cost. It does have some nice features like the trigger. It's adjustable in every direction including side to side. It weighs about 6 lbs less than my Surgeon. Now it does have a 1 in 12 twist, that doesn't mean you can't shoot 300 grainers, but if you do ever wear out the barrel, you can always have GAP install a a 1:10 on it. Either way, they're both excellent rifles. I like the GAP/Surgeon for bench shooting and the other as a hunting rifle in Wyoming.

Solidsnake87
12-11-2008, 6:21 PM
Sorry if I'm too off topic but how long should a good match grade .308 barrel last? .30-06?

skkeeter
12-11-2008, 7:23 PM
I just got my AR-30 a few weeks ago. I love the thing. It doesn't kick at all and I've been reloading the .338 lapua rounds. If your trying to buy a "sniper rifle", then you should definitely be reloading for accuracy. Don't forget the added expense (short term) for reloading. Tack on another grand for all the supplies needed to get started. I started out with a $600 scope but quickly realized I need to spend $1400-$1700 on a decent scope for this type of round. Any way you look at it, any rifle in .338 lapua is a truck load of money to get some trigger time. I'm into it around $4000 for everything including reloading setup, and I got one of the cheaper rifles. If you got the $, then don't hesitate. .338 lapua rules and has some amazing capabilities.

technique
12-11-2008, 9:14 PM
saving my pennies for one of these.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/dt-srs-338lm-2.jpg

or.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/unknown.gif


one day soon..very soon.

Solidsnake87
12-11-2008, 9:38 PM
Yeah, one of those would be nice. I'd be too afraid to get one in .338 though. Those look pricey enough in .308. lol.

draconianruler
12-12-2008, 12:42 AM
What is that first gun? I likey but I'm sure its way expensive.

technique
12-12-2008, 12:45 AM
What is that first gun? I likey but I'm sure its way expensive.

Desert Tactical Arms.

Bull-pup design puts it almost 10in smaller than an AI.:D I like.

brando
12-12-2008, 9:40 AM
The SRS is a fantastic rifle, developed by a fellow ELR shooter and it's reasonably priced for a precision platform (let alone multi-cal).

thmpr
12-12-2008, 10:31 AM
The Barrettsetup looks very nice. One day.... Hope to own a nice 338 LM setup.:D

skkeeter
12-12-2008, 11:28 AM
The SRS is a fantastic rifle, developed by a fellow ELR shooter and it's reasonably priced for a precision platform (let alone multi-cal).

I was hoping not that many people knew about this rifle in hopes of getting one. Does anyone know the timeframe for getting one after ordering. How busy are they???

Artery
12-12-2008, 11:47 AM
I'd probally either shoot it at the Sac 1000yd range or if I wanted to go out further than that I have access to private land.

As far as barrels go it seems like AI barrels are more expensive at ~$1000, but easier to change.

If the barrel wears out at ~1500 rounds thats ~$7500 in ammunition for factory new ammo (at ~100 a box) or about half that for reloads. Seems to me like you'd be lucky if you can afford to get to the point of a barrel change! Seriously though, it would take me a very long time to wear the barrel out at those prices.

Any opinions on if the how the different rifles compare in accuracy? (AI AWSM, Sako TRG, R700 based, etc?)

4 Brigada
12-12-2008, 11:52 AM
I really would like to get one, but Im waiting until CA starts to ban guns due to the energy (ft/lbs). To see if it will be banned. Its being done in countries overseas.

Sniper3142
12-12-2008, 12:29 PM
I plan on getting a Badger M2008 action in long action once they become available (2009).

The 338LM round is expensive but amazing. With the right rifle and load it can be accurate pretty far out there.

:)

ar15barrels
12-12-2008, 12:46 PM
I'd probally either shoot it at the Sac 1000yd range or if I wanted to go out further than that I have access to private land.

A 308 or 243 is fine out to 1K.
I shot the 1K match last weekend and ran middle-of-the-pack and it's only my 3rd time on that range.

You won't really be able to get on that 1K line to plink.
I think it's reserved to formal competetions and formal practices for competitions.

phsieh10
12-12-2008, 6:30 PM
You could look at the Blaser Tactical 2. It can swap out the barrels for 223, 308, 300WM and 338LM. The stock is fully adjustable and it has a straight pull bolt. In addition, it has no feed ramp, so the bullet slides directly from the mag to the chamber. I have one in 308. I'm waiting for the economy to get better before getting a 338 barrel. Mine is in 308 and it gets about 1/4-1/2 moa with Federal 150gr. Someone was selling one in 223 in the for sale area. Don't know if it sold yet.

ar15barrels
12-12-2008, 8:20 PM
You could look at the Blaser Tactical 2. It can swap out the barrels for 223, 308, 300WM and 338LM. The stock is fully adjustable and it has a straight pull bolt. In addition, it has no feed ramp, so the bullet slides directly from the mag to the chamber. I have one in 308. I'm waiting for the economy to get better before getting a 338 barrel. Mine is in 308 and it gets about 1/4-1/2 moa with Federal 150gr. Someone was selling one in 223 in the for sale area. Don't know if it sold yet.

I'd love to see 10 groups, all between 1/4 and 1/2 MOA at 100+yds on the same piece of paper.
Please post that once you go do it.

technique
12-13-2008, 12:08 AM
Or the Noveske M5 .338

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/338m5_1d.jpg

CleverName
12-13-2008, 12:33 AM
http://www.lazyeights.net/Avion/Motivator/338LM.jpg

mike452
12-13-2008, 12:39 AM
What does the Armalite Lifetime Warranty covers?

Barrel wear making it unsafe or just workmanship?