Obama: Don't stock up on guns [Archive]

tcrpe

12-08-2008, 05:35 AM

I don't take any politician at his word.

Obama: Gun owners do not need to stock up

December 8, 2008

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter
As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.

"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

Ford8N

12-08-2008, 05:45 AM

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Sutcliffe

12-08-2008, 06:05 AM

those were common sense laws that make it difficult for those that are inclined to obey the law to obtain firearms. Let's see what kind of a liar you are mr. president elect.

Californio

12-08-2008, 06:17 AM

Common-sense is subjective and subject to elitist definition.

I'll take "Shall not be Infringed", those founders were not dummies.

MolonLabe2008

12-08-2008, 06:25 AM

"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment. Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."
--- Barack Obama

The first sentence is contradictory.

The phrase "common-sense gun safety laws" is nothing more than gun control.

You can't support the Second Amendment and support gun control at the same time. One of them has to give.

Obama, and most Democrats, keep lying to the American people when they repeat this nonsense.

And the so called guns owners on this board, who voted for Obama, keep drinking the Kool Aid.

alex00

12-08-2008, 06:33 AM

I think people can take me at my word."

Funny, I know people can take me at my word.

tcrpe

12-08-2008, 06:42 AM

.. . . keep drinking the Kool Aid.

It's interesting that as of late, when referring to the Jim Jones mass suicide, the reference isn't to "Kool Aid" anymore, rather it's "a fruit drink similar to Kool Aid".

hawk1

12-08-2008, 06:54 AM

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article

Obama: Don't stock up on guns

December 8, 2008

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter
As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

But National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it's not Obama's words — but his legislative track record — that has gun-buyers flocking to the stores.

"Prior to his campaign for president, his record as a state legislator and as a U.S. Senator shows he voted for the most stringent forms of gun control, the most Draconian legislation, gun bans, ammunition bans and even an increase in federal excise taxes up to 500 percent for every gun and firearm sold," Arulanandam said.

Obama answered "yes" in 1996 to a questionnaire from an Illinois group on whether he supported a handgun ban. But he later said a staffer filled out that answer and he did not support a ban.

Nationally, background checks for gun purchases jumped nearly 49 percent during the week Obama was elected, compared with the same time period last year, according to the FBI's National Instant Background Check System.

Anecdotally, gun dealers around the country have reported spikes in sales. The Illinois State Rifle Association Reports gun sales for November were 38 percent higher than last year.

"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.

"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."

Boshar

12-08-2008, 07:48 AM

Obama says don't stock up. (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article) Some Brady Campaign dude says this:

"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.

At least there are still some sensible people (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article5299010.ece) left.

For anybody who still believed in it, the Mumbai shootings exposed the myth of “gun control”. India had some of the strictest firearms laws in the world, going back to the Indian Arms Act of 1878, by which Britain had sought to prevent a recurrence of the Indian Mutiny.

As for me, I'm one of the stupid people looking for another rifle...

hawk1

12-08-2008, 07:52 AM

It's already been posted...
http://64.151.69.37/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=136745

Bruce

12-08-2008, 07:58 AM

You can't support the Second Amendment and support gun control at the same time.

Very true. But if you go to the '08 Election Forum you'll find a lot naive types who think they are supporters of the RKBA, but voted for B.O. :rolleyes:

yellowfin

12-08-2008, 08:03 AM

"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue."It's because we are paying attention!

rrr70

12-08-2008, 08:10 AM

brady bunch"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue."

What is that supposed to mean?

Hans Gruber

12-08-2008, 08:13 AM

MolonLabe2008

12-08-2008, 08:18 AM

karim wrote:
How about we put a hold on name calling and baiting BO voters until he signs a SINGLE piece of anti-2A legislation. Just because you KNOW that he's going to ban and confiscate everything down to a 10/22 doesn't make it so. If 4 or 8 years go by without any anti-2A legislation, will you all come back and apologize to BO voters? Yeah I didn't think so.

Saying I'm sorry is easy. Getting my rights back is damn near impossible. :mad:

rrr70

12-08-2008, 08:20 AM

Glock22Fan

12-08-2008, 08:24 AM

If 4 or 8 years go by without any anti-2A legislation, will you all come back and apologize to BO voters? Yeah I didn't think so.

If 4 or 8 years go by with tons of anti-2A legislation, will you Obama voters all come back and apologize to none-BO voters? Yeah I didn't think so.

rrr70

12-08-2008, 08:26 AM

If 4 or 8 years go by with tons of anti-2A legislation, will you Obama voters all come back and apologize to none-BO voters? Yeah I didn't think so.

It will be done for greater good.:mad:

bwiese

12-08-2008, 08:29 AM

How about we put a hold on name calling and baiting BO voters until he signs a SINGLE piece of anti-2A legislation. Just because you KNOW that he's going to ban and confiscate everything down to a 10/22 doesn't make it so.

If 4 or 8 years go by without any anti-2A legislation, will you all come back and apologize to BO voters? Yeah I didn't think so.

Tricky guileful indirection: bright gunnies are not that worried about *legislation*

But we are worried if Scalia or Alito have one too many steaks and drop dead and are replaced by an Obamaite because we will have Sons of Heller.
And I'm worried about administrative authority closing down FFLs because somebody missed a period on the 4473: it's bad enough already.

BillCA

12-08-2008, 08:30 AM

I saw this article today too and thought "Golly, I guess everyone can just relax now and stop pushing up the price of guns. If we just turn off our brains and ignore the fact that Obama has never voted against a piece of anti-gun legislation, everything will be just peachy." :puke:

Brady Campaign's Peter Hamm "Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue."
What is that supposed to mean?

It is clearly double-speak as used by the Brady Campaign.

For instance, if you listen to them, they will tell you that gun control is working because crime has trended downward for the last 10 years.

The truth in California is that since 1968, violent crime rose 165% through 1992 and then began a downward trend. As of 2005, violent crime was still 25% higher than in 1968. That's 40 years of failure to lower crime. Yet, because the last 10 years is a falling trend, the Brady Bunch claims it is "progress". :rolleyes:

I don't know that our state or nation can afford such "progress" anymore.

Slayer

12-08-2008, 08:36 AM

How about we put a hold on name calling and baiting BO voters until he signs a SINGLE piece of anti-2A legislation.

After he does, then what?

Boshar

12-08-2008, 08:38 AM

OK. I looked for it before posting. Didn't find it ...

Did you read the other article referenced? I especially liked this paragraph:

In January 1909 two such anarchists, lately come from an attempt to blow up the president of France, tried to commit a robbery in north London, armed with automatic pistols. Edwardian Londoners, however, shot back – and the anarchists were pursued through the streets by a spontaneous hue-and-cry. The police, who could not find the key to their own gun cupboard, borrowed at least four pistols from passers-by, while other citizens armed with revolvers and shotguns preferred to use their weapons themselves to bring the assailants down.

oddball

12-08-2008, 08:40 AM

tcrpe

12-08-2008, 08:44 AM

After he does, then what?

That's called a "done deal".

Then the BHO voters have what they voted for.

Glock22Fan

12-08-2008, 08:48 AM

It's all on a par with "But surely you favor common-sense anti-violence measures?" and "But surely you don't want kids to blow their heads off with daddy's guns?" and "But surely you would like to keep military assault rifles off the streets and out of the hands of criminals?" and "But surely no-one needs to use machine guns to hunt moose?"

All mindless posturing designed to fool the unthinking sheeple. Sadly, it works on (some) unthinking guns owners as well.

bulgron

12-08-2008, 09:03 AM

All mindless posturing designed to fool the unthinking sheeple. Sadly, it works on (some) unthinking guns owners as well.

Oh, they're thinking.

They're thinking about all the free stuff they think Barry is going to give them. Things like, you know, free health care, free money (wealth redistribution, yaay!!!), free gas, free mortgages, the list goes on.

And then we will all join hands, sing kumbaiyah, and the terrorists won't hate us anymore.

I wonder how long it will take Barry to rescind the new National Parks rules on concealed weapons. How much you want to bet he makes it priority number one?

Slayer

12-08-2008, 09:06 AM

That's called a "done deal".

Then the BHO voters have what they voted for.

Exactly. All the turncoats here who still claim to be pro RKBA after voting this dude in makes me sick. You cant be pro-gun and vote for anti-gun legislators. Let's see what his "common sense" bologna is all about...

tcrpe

12-08-2008, 09:10 AM

Let's see what his "common sense" bologna is all about...

OK, but remember, according to the BHO voters here, you have to wait until it's a "done deal" to comment . . . .

nick

12-08-2008, 09:19 AM

Just an observation from reading the comments - it's rather itneresting that the ones who oppose having an armed population commenting there seem to be the kind relunctant to take personal responsibility for defending themselves, and cite it as one of the main reasons against armed population. That could just be it.

CmpsdNoMore

12-08-2008, 09:22 AM

What I want to know is why he's against people spending the money.
Wouldn't it be good for the economy to invest money in something such as ammo and firearms?

nick

12-08-2008, 09:23 AM

I also love that, "not carrying a gun is a MORAL choice". I always wondered about where that morality comes from.

yellowfin

12-08-2008, 09:25 AM

I also love that, "not carrying a gun is a MORAL choice". I always wondered about where that morality comes from. It comes from a typo, intended to read "not carrying a gun is a MORON['s] choice."

FreedomIsNotFree

12-08-2008, 09:30 AM

Interesting...

Obama: Don't stock up on guns (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article?plckCurrentPage=8&sid=sitelife.suntimes.com)

December 8, 2008

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter
As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.

"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

But National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it's not Obama's words — but his legislative track record — that has gun-buyers flocking to the stores.

"Prior to his campaign for president, his record as a state legislator and as a U.S. Senator shows he voted for the most stringent forms of gun control, the most Draconian legislation, gun bans, ammunition bans and even an increase in federal excise taxes up to 500 percent for every gun and firearm sold," Arulanandam said.

Obama answered "yes" in 1996 to a questionnaire from an Illinois group on whether he supported a handgun ban. But he later said a staffer filled out that answer and he did not support a ban.

Nationally, background checks for gun purchases jumped nearly 49 percent during the week Obama was elected, compared with the same time period last year, according to the FBI's National Instant Background Check System.

Anecdotally, gun dealers around the country have reported spikes in sales. The Illinois State Rifle Association Reports gun sales for November were 38 percent higher than last year.

"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.

"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."

Slayer

12-08-2008, 09:31 AM

OK, but remember, according to the BHO voters here, you have to wait until it's a "done deal" to comment . . . .

I forgot, he is the messiah. The force is strong with him.

yellowfin

12-08-2008, 09:33 AM

Again I ask just what do we do about this gargoyle? So when he threatens with the first atrocity, then what? Post rants about it? Yell at a wall?

sorensen440

12-08-2008, 09:35 AM

I actually have to agree with him for once... dont stock up on guns... stock up on ammo ;)

yellowfin

12-08-2008, 09:38 AM

Dupe. :dupe: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=136760

bulgron

12-08-2008, 09:38 AM

Again I ask just what do we do about this gargoyle? So when he threatens with the first atrocity, then what? Post rants about it? Yell at a wall?

There isn't much to be done about it. We lost the election. Now all we can do is perform the Sacramento fire drill (call, email, fax, bury them in communication) on the feds when the bad bills start making progress through committees.

We also need to seriously look at the Republican party and figure out how to fix is ASAP. It really did go into the toilet in a big way, and we can't afford that.

Full Clip

12-08-2008, 09:40 AM

What I want to know is why he's against people spending the money.
Wouldn't it be good for the economy to invest money in something such as ammo and firearms?

Exactly.
If he's such a staunch supporter of the 2nd A, why does he care?
Why even make such a foolish, contradictory statement?
Methinks thou doth protest too much, sir.

DRM6000

12-08-2008, 09:45 AM

Obama says:

I think people can take me at my word

You think wrong!

RJ Dunn

12-08-2008, 09:46 AM

What is that supposed to mean?

I take it, they need more time to screw us. So, don't go out and by anymore firearms. It will just make more work for them, when they come a collecting.

Beelzy

12-08-2008, 10:26 AM

"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."

Now what is wrong with that sentence?? Better buy ammo guys. ;)

Gator Monroe

12-08-2008, 10:47 AM

Guns ? What Guns?? I lost all my Firearms in a tragic boating accident last summer .

Vacaville

12-08-2008, 10:52 AM

they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves

This is the sentence that bothers me. Who are they to decide if someone has enough guns?

lowracer

12-08-2008, 10:55 AM

Q: How can you tell when Obama is lying?

A: When you see his lips moving.

The Brady Bunch backs him up.

Buy guns and ammo now while you still can. Buy Early, Buy Often. Buy Buy BUY!

tcrpe

12-08-2008, 10:58 AM

they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves

This is the sentence that bothers me. Who are they to decide if someone has enough guns?

Who are they, they are the BHO voters and their ilk.

Of course they know when you have enough, they are so much smarter that you . . . . . .

yellowfin

12-08-2008, 11:19 AM

I think this expresses it rather well. http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7351/politicalpromisesrn9.jpg

dfletcher

12-08-2008, 12:17 PM

If 4 or 8 years go by without any anti-2A legislation being sponsored by the Administration, will you all come back and apologize to BO voters? Yeah I didn't think so.

That being said, I'm gonna buy me some more guns! :D

I added a caveat - because what the President has under his control is not what is passed but what his administration may propose. I'll be perfectly willing to say "they were right and I was wrong" - do we have a reciprocal public apology deal?

Think I need to buy also, I have a few $$$ sitting at Contra Costa from a consignment sale, it's even money I leave the money there plus some more.

bohoki

12-08-2008, 01:08 PM

well i heard obama say "i wont take your guns away"

which caused people to buy everything they want now cause he didnt say "i wont prevent you from buying guns in the future"

people can read between the lines

AaronHorrocks

12-08-2008, 01:16 PM

From what I can tell, as a senator he voted "YES" on every extreme anti-gun bill that came before him. He voted "PRESENT" the rest of the times.

ChibiPaw

12-08-2008, 01:33 PM

This reminds me of the scene in the movie "Mars Attack!". Where the aliens ran around zapping people with death rays while yelling via the translation device: "Don't run! We are your friends! We come in peace! We come in peace!"

lioneaglegriffin

12-08-2008, 01:34 PM

[QUOTE=texan_in_exile;1764916]Q: How can you tell when Obama is lying?

A: When you see his lips moving.
[QUOTE]

LOL!

Captain Evilstomper

12-08-2008, 01:56 PM

It's interesting that as of late, when referring to the Jim Jones mass suicide, the reference isn't to "Kool Aid" anymore, rather it's "a fruit drink similar to Kool Aid".

i actually heard it was 'flavor aid' not kool aid

RJ Dunn

12-08-2008, 02:04 PM

Macadelic4

12-08-2008, 02:12 PM

Guns ? What Guns?? I lost all my Firearms in a tragic boating accident last summer .

+1. Exactly!

BATFE Agent: "And your weapons?"
Me: "Well, there was a bear...no, no, an alligator...with a bone-saw knife...and the boat, it collided with the alligator...terrible summer, all guns lost. At the bottom of the lake. Yep, totally gone."

sigsauer887

12-08-2008, 02:43 PM

Why would he say that? This fear mongering is helping the economy, if anything he should spread some fear mongering himself.

MrLogan

12-08-2008, 02:45 PM

How about we put a hold on name calling and baiting BO voters until he signs a SINGLE piece of anti-2A legislation. Just because you KNOW that he's going to ban and confiscate everything down to a 10/22 doesn't make it so.

If 4 or 8 years go by without any anti-2A legislation, will you all come back and apologize to BO voters? Yeah I didn't think so.

That being said, I'm gonna buy me some more guns! :D

I doubt that will be the case, but hope it will be. On the other hand, if BO signs some heinous gun bans, will you BO voters apologize to us?

bulgron

12-08-2008, 02:50 PM

I doubt that will be the case, but hope it will be. On the other hand, if BO signs some heinous gun bans, will you BO voters apologize to us?

Of course they won't. They'll just rationalize why it was ok that he signed some gun ban or another.

It's for the children, you know. Or for the common good. Or it bans guns that THEY don't care about ....

MrLogan

12-08-2008, 02:58 PM

Of course they won't. They'll just rationalize why it was ok that he signed some gun ban or another.

It's for the children, you know. Or for the common good. Or it bans guns that THEY don't care about ....

Sounds like Crazed_SS. As long as they have their guns, it's okay with them. :rolleyes:

kakpataka

12-08-2008, 03:02 PM

dfletcher

12-08-2008, 03:14 PM

From what I can tell, as a senator he voted "YES" on every extreme anti-gun bill that came before him. He voted "PRESENT" the rest of the times.

You may be technically correct in that he has always supported antigun bills. However, he actually voted in favor of one progun bill - the so called "Katrina" confiscation bill which outlaws confiscation of legally owned firearms in times of widespread/natural disaster.

Aside from anti gun administrative rulings, the biggie is of course an AW ban, which Obama repeatedly stated during the campaign that he supprots. I suppose what's to be decided, aside from whether or not an AW bill passes, is just how restrictive it is.

bulgron

12-08-2008, 03:26 PM

You may be technically correct in that he has always supported antigun bills. However, he actually voted in favor of one progun bill - the so called "Katrina" confiscation bill which outlaws confiscation of legally owned firearms in times of widespread/natural disaster.

Easy enough to neuter that bill. Just make all gun ownership during a Katrina style event illegal. Problem solved.

In other words, it was an easy vote that he could cast which he could then use to "prove" that he's pro-gun, but which he can dance around if he really wants to.

Aside from anti gun administrative rulings, the biggie is of course an AW ban, which Obama repeatedly stated during the campaign that he supprots. I suppose what's to be decided, aside from whether or not an AW bill passes, is just how restrictive it is.

The minute you say "ban," it's too restrictive.

HunterJim

12-08-2008, 03:33 PM

Crazed_SS

12-08-2008, 03:34 PM

Sounds like Crazed_SS. As long as they have their guns, it's okay with them. :rolleyes:

Why you always bringing my name up as if I represent something? I dont represent "them", whoever "they" are. Im just me.

stillnotbob

12-08-2008, 03:34 PM

Obama likes "common-sense gun safety laws"???... don't we already have that? Is it not already against the law to kill someone? If that law doesn't stop someone from violence then no law will.... not even NEW "common-sense gun safety laws".

rayra

12-08-2008, 03:40 PM

And we should not forget / ignore that the only piece of legislation put forward during his few months as a working US Senator was the Global Poverty Act, which called for the full support of the UN's Millenial Goals declaration, which in no small part calls for the complete disarmament of civilian populations.

AND he was fully against Heller until the day SCOTUS upheld it.

AND his campaign machine has put his gun ban language back up on the change.gov website.

When Obama stands up on Jan 20 to take this oath -
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
he'll be LYING.

rayra

12-08-2008, 03:41 PM

Why you always bringing my name up as if I represent something? I dont represent "them", whoever "they" are. Im just me.

weasel worded non-denial denial.

Crazed_SS

12-08-2008, 03:46 PM

weasel worded non-denial denial.

What exactly am I denying?

I never professed to be part of some movement in the first place. When I buy guns, it because I want a gun, not because Im trying to advance some political cause.

MP301

12-08-2008, 04:16 PM

I have trouble understanding how any pro gun person could have voted for Obama for any reason.

Using the economy as an excuse doesnt cut it, because redistributing the wealth does not a good economy make. Gun restriction/grabbing is a necessary by product of these socialist policies...look at all of the other countries that have done exactly that.

I can understand that no one was happy with bush and that maybe McCain wasnt the best choice and all of that, but how can anyone think that what he will be doing will help instead of make it worse?

Wasnt voting for Obama kinda like amputating your leg because you got a hang-nail on your big toe?

Read this article. Its written by a liberal far left paper and the journalist is black...I am amazed it made it to print!

MP301

12-08-2008, 04:18 PM

heres the article...

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...0614/811020316

rayra

12-08-2008, 04:29 PM

It's 'weasel words' because the assertion was that you - like 'them' - were sanguine about other people's guns being taken / rights being violated. Your response was only about not being 'them', and nothing about your disregard for the RKBA issues.
Which you then made abundantly clear with your subsequent post.

Bad Voodoo

12-08-2008, 04:47 PM

"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

Obama:
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

Biden:
Keep assault weapons ban; close gun show loophole. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)

ViPER395

12-08-2008, 04:53 PM

The part below, found at the end of the article, is what troubles me.

WTF difference does it make whether people stocking up on guns are first-time buyers or not? I sense a veiled position that citizens should be restricted to one firearm per person/household. Anyone else smelling that bulls*it?

...We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."

Full Clip

12-08-2008, 05:10 PM

The minute you say "ban," it's too restrictive.

Exactly.
Ban = "infringe."
'Nuff said.

tankerman

12-08-2008, 07:41 PM

He can take his "common sense gun laws" and shove them up his..........

yellowfin

12-08-2008, 09:10 PM

I guess TPFI wouldn't mind being diagnosed "progressive cancer" or "reasonable heart disease." Would he object to a "common sense kidney stone" ?

Theseus

12-08-2008, 09:38 PM

I welcome an attempt to ban by Obama and his cohorts. . . It will help to motivate people that have long been asleep.

tombinghamthegreat

12-08-2008, 09:42 PM

What pisses me off is obama claims that he supports hunters and target shooters with .22 while supporting with "common sence laws(GUN BANS)" which proves he does not support(nor understands) the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms is not about target shooting, it is about being able to defend yourself along with your family from any threat from home intruters to government officials. Target shooting is just an implied right.

Fate

12-08-2008, 09:51 PM

He can take his "common sense gun laws" and shove them up his..........
Won't fit. His head's in the way.

bdsmchs

12-08-2008, 10:12 PM

"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.

Wow.. I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but....

For once I agree with the Brady's.

Heller people, Heller.

yellowfin

12-08-2008, 10:34 PM

Heller people, Heller.5-4 with aging justices and 300+ congress folk, over 50 senators, and a prez that don't give a crap what any court or Constitution or right of the people says because they have an agenda to push, bdsmchs. Holding up ten Heller crucifixes isn't going to stop the vampires no matter how many incantations you recite.

Ford8N

12-09-2008, 03:51 AM

Heller people, Heller.

I would tend to agree but I think the ATF's "barrel ban". We went from $99 AK kits to $300+. Even with Heller, the new rulers in Washington can make mischief.

outersquare

12-09-2008, 06:33 AM

Wow.. I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but....

For once I agree with the Brady's.

Heller people, Heller.

i seem to recall from history class it actually took a series of first amendment court battles to decently cement in that right.

AaronHorrocks

12-09-2008, 06:39 AM

You may be technically correct in that he has always supported antigun bills. However, he actually voted in favor of one progun bill - the so called "Katrina" confiscation bill which outlaws confiscation of legally owned firearms in times of widespread/natural disaster.

Aside from anti gun administrative rulings, the biggie is of course an AW ban, which Obama repeatedly stated during the campaign that he supprots. I suppose what's to be decided, aside from whether or not an AW bill passes, is just how restrictive it is.

In today's politics you can't site ONE and ONLY ONE vote as an example of a politician's stance. It just doesn't work that way anymore.
Bills can have "pork", excess spending attached, excess tax attached, other bills attached…

OR, it could have been a one time moment where for political expediency, while under the microscope, the vote had to be made that way to beat the opposition, or to make him self look good.

Solidsnake87

12-09-2008, 07:32 AM

Obama is like a retarded mace windu :50:

Gator Monroe

12-09-2008, 08:04 AM

Teach Obamas state a lesson and have SCOTUS nominate a GOP senator !:eek::)

yellowfin

12-09-2008, 08:29 AM

^ That alone won't do. Have them put in a pro 2A senator--GOP from anti gun states usually end up being Rinos that are as bad or worse than a Donkey party one.

ENTHUSIAST

12-11-2008, 01:41 PM

Obama: Gun owners do not need to stock up

December 8, 2008

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter
As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.

"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

How many times is he gonna use this "common-sense gun safety laws" BS come on just cut the politcian speak and and say what the #$@* you really mean.

What about "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear" really but his voting record, Biden's record and didnt he also pick the two @#$*s Pelosi and Hillary to be in his little crew, (my Dad always tells me there is an old saying, "Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.")

Also, what about new gun buyers... instead how about:

"I BHO will NOT nor will any member of my administration, introduce ANY new legislation regulating guns any further during the entire duration of my tenure as POTUS."

Constitutionally Yours,
-O

"I think people can take me at my word."

Ummm.... according to the spike in gun sales, price increases, lack of inventory, international news articles and BTW this Press release.... apparently NOT! :detective: