Guns and Crime.

[nicki]

Our gun control problems exist because we have significant crime problems.

Our current systems are not effective, we need new direction. Since this is a forum and many of you are very intelligent, what problems do you see with our legal system and what reforms would you like to see.

Some of you may come up with some really "creative solutions":eek:

I know I don't have to ask you guys to be nice to each other:rolleyes:


Nicki

[Theseus]

The true problem?

No one in our system has common sense anymore, the public included. They have all become a bunch of sissy "let the authorities deal with it".

As a prank a group of high school students TP's a local house . . . Vandalism charges? No! Make them clean it up! Maybe even make them rake the leaves when fall rolls around to make amends. Then you don't make someone who would otherwise be a good and decent citizen into a scared criminal!

A drunken group of teens plows their truck through the corn fields? Make them work a few summers at the farm to pay it off.

Bob has too many drinks at the local bar? How about Mr officer, instead of giving him a ticket for drunk in public prevent crime give him a ride home! He isn't a criminal, just a man that didn't know his limits. We all know that alcohol impairs our judgment. . . so being rational and asking a drunk not to drive is expecting a lot.



The judicial is supposed to protect us from the whims of a tyrannical government NOT get buddy buddy with them. They are supposed to look at each case with a dose of healthy criticism...They don't.

The legislature is made up of a whole lot of lawyers that profit from making the laws complicated and vague, and even more so by making new laws.Get rid of victimless crime, stop legislating morality.

The real point to me is that laws should be few and simple so that the average, public school educated person could understand and follow.

[savageevo]

1. My opinion, It starts off at home when the kid are barely walking. The parents need to bring up the kids with the understating of what is good and bad. Not just letting the disneychannel and spongebobs molding there personality. It is very difficult when we have so much of these materialism surrounding us and our kids.

2. Being a single parent is also a factor for a child in how a person grows up. Without seeing both role models, Its hard for a child to associate what there role should be. This is when the child seeks a place of want, like a gang.

3. Now being in a gang, it becomes apparent they will not want to go back to school to better there education. Too bad Our system do not have an education system that help these gangs to get out of there system to become part of a real society.

4. Lastly, I believe the Leo Society acts too elite. Leo acts they do not trust anybody, even there own friends. I have a friend that is a leo, he mention to me that being in the department, they grow not trusting anybody, even sometimes there friends. After he said that it got me thinking, When I ever want to talk small talk to any leo, 1. They talk to you like there poop don't ever stink. They talk with arrogance. So of course the regular Joe wouldn't want to associate to any leo's further separating us vs them.

Enclosing, To really stop crime, it has to start from home when when you are just kids. To all the fathers and mothers out there love your kids, Pay attention to them, and help them get an education. to all the leo's out there, we all are not bad people. Start treating us like if we are your best friends so we don't have to feel uptight around you.

[Casual Observer]

Our gun control problems exist because we have significant crime problems.

Our current systems are not effective, we need new direction. Since this is a forum and many of you are very intelligent, what problems do you see with our legal system and what reforms would you like to see.

Some of you may come up with some really "creative solutions":eek:

I know I don't have to ask you guys to be nice to each other:rolleyes:


Nicki


Number one problem with the legal system in this country is that the prison system is too soft.

Sheriff Arpaio has the right idea. Prison should be punishment, not a vacation in a 3 star hotel with a gym, cable TV, playstations and the like.

Also, there are too many laws that give more rights to the criminal than to the victims.

Seriously, if we got rid of those obstacles to law enforcement like the 4th and 5th amendments and that pesky Miranda law, I think you'd see a dramatic decrease in crime as the bad guys truly start to fear the government.

[csmintel]

majority of gun crimes (all carreer criminals ) occur with unregistered firearms. It would be stupid to do something with your own registered weapon. So why are we, law obiding citizens are punished? It's not because of gun crimes. They were always around. It's the because of the money the gun industry chosed not to give to the dem liberal party.

[gotgunz]

1. My opinion, It starts off at home when the kid are barely walking. The parents need to bring up the kids with the understating of what is good and bad. Not just letting the disneychannel and spongebobs molding there personality. It is very difficult when we have so much of these materialism surrounding us and our kids.

Very, very true! There is alot more to being a parent beyond pregnancy and delivery.



2. Being a single parent is also a factor for a child in how a person grows up. Without seeing both role models, Its hard for a child to associate what there role should be. This is when the child seeks a place of want, like a gang.


You must not have kids; if you do I will take offense to your thinking on this one. It does not matter if you are a single parent or not; what matters is weather you are a 'parent' vs. somebody that has reproduced.

Just because humans are able to have offspring doesn't always mean that they should.

[Dark&Good]

Our gun control problems exist because we have significant crime problems.

Nicki

That is a false datum, first of all. Gun control has very little to do with crime problems. Crime problems are a nice excuse for the guys up there to slowly take away the means by which "common people" (or "the majority") could defend their freedoms. Criminals somehow always get guns, no matter how much control has been imposed on the rest of us.

[Theseus]

Seriously, if we got rid of those obstacles to law enforcement like the 4th and 5th amendments and that pesky Miranda law, I think you'd see a dramatic decrease in crime as the bad guys truly start to fear the government.

I sense sarcasm, but just in case. . .

And then us legal and law abiding people would have plenty of reasons to fear our government too! I don't think that criminals need to fear the government, they need to fear US, citizens!

[CalCop]

Number one problem with the legal system in this country is that the prison system is too soft.

Sheriff Arpaio has the right idea. Prison should be punishment, not a vacation in a 3 star hotel with a gym, cable TV, playstations and the like.

Also, there are too many laws that give more rights to the criminal than to the victims.All of that...okay...I'm good with that.

Seriously, if we got rid of those obstacles to law enforcement like the 4th and 5th amendments and that pesky Miranda law, I think you'd see a dramatic decrease in crime as the bad guys truly start to fear the government.Um...no. Law abiding citizens need those protections.

[Dont Tread on Me]

I'm with the comments on our current criminal justice system being too easy.

Seriously, if we got rid of those obstacles to law enforcement like the 4th and 5th amendments and that pesky Miranda law, I think you'd see a dramatic decrease in crime as the bad guys truly start to fear the government.

The trouble is we'll all end up fearing the Government. As Ben Franklin said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[vladbutsky]

The initial assumption that we have a high level of crime is dead wrong. It may be higher than we would like it to be, but this will always be the case till crime is completely eliminated ( will never happen!)
I came from Ukraine and I can assure you that US does not know what high level of crime is. Granted that there are a few places that are quite bad, but overall US is far safer than most of places on earth.
The biggest cause for crime is powerty. Not guns or knives. But fighting powerty is far more difficult than chanting anti-gun slogans so politicians obviously do that...
So if you ask questions about "high level" of crime in context of gun ownership, you are already helping these politicians.
Crime always will be there and current level is at least acceptable (I would say it is actually very good!) in vast majoirity of US cities. So right question would be how to fix these few bad places instead of pretending that all country needs to be fixed and by that justify unnecessary federal laws.