Maybe this is why Plaxico Burress was packin'

[Slayer]

Giants receiver Smith robbed at gunpoint outside home

New York Giants second-year receiver Steve Smith was robbed at gunpoint in the early hours of Nov. 25 after arriving home, according to Clifton, N.J., police.


Smith had just returned to his townhouse in a chauffeur-driven car when he was approached from behind by man who held a gun to Smith's head, Clifton police Capt. Robert Rowan said.


"He said to him, 'Give me everything you got,' and Mr. Smith turned over his jewelry and money and cell phone," Rowan said Tuesday.

The man left the scene and is still being sought, Rowan said. It was unclear if Smith's driver was at the townhouse during the holdup.

The robbery was first reported Sunday by NBC's Tiki Barber, a former Giants running back.

NFL security has been informed of the incident, league spokesman Greg Aiello said, according to Newsday. "We're aware of the situation," he said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3739206

[Exposed]

Yup, I think whats happening to Plaxico Burress is a damn shame. With times as hard as they are rich people are bigger targets than ever before. He had no intentions on hurting anyone with his gun and as far as anyone could tell he was carrying his gun for self defense. Sure, he broke the law by carrying without a CCW, but carrying a loaded gun that is registered under your name without intention to harm anyone is only a misdemeanor. His being treated like a felon is insane IMO!

[bwiese]

Yup, I think whats happening to Plaxico Burress is a damn shame. With times as hard as they are rich people are bigger targets than ever before. He had no intentions on hurting anyone with his gun and as far as anyone could tell he was carrying his gun for self defense. Sure, he broke the law by carrying without a CCW, but carrying a loaded gun that is registered under your name without intention to harm anyone is only a misdemeanor. His being treated like a felon is insane IMO!

Well, that's because it IS likely a felony in New York.

Sullivan Act, since 1908. And Bloomberg & crew have made it worse.

[RobG]

Yup, I think whats happening to Plaxico Burress is a damn shame. With times as hard as they are rich people are bigger targets than ever before. He had no intentions on hurting anyone with his gun and as far as anyone could tell he was carrying his gun for self defense. Sure, he broke the law by carrying without a CCW, but carrying a loaded gun that is registered under your name without intention to harm anyone is only a misdemeanor. His being treated like a felon is insane IMO!

Apparently its a felony in NY. He knew or at least should have known he needed a CCW. His carry technique got him shot, luckily only a minor wound. But it could have been worse, ie; kills him or someone else. He was extremely irresponsible and makes all gun owners look bad and puts CCW's in a bad light. The guy makes 750k a WEEK. He can hire some real security, that know what they are doing, for protection while out clubbing wearing 100k in jewelry.

Oh. And I am 100% pro CCW but, Burress was an idiot.

[Exposed]

........Burress was an idiot.

This I do very much agree on, I still however, believe they are coming down way too hard on him.

[JDay]

The guy makes 750k a WEEK. He can hire some real security, that know what they are doing, for protection while out clubbing wearing 100k in jewelry.

Oh. And I am 100% pro CCW but, Burress was an idiot.

People who buy all that crap are idiots in my book.

[Slayer]

Well I know for a fact there are several CGNers who carry concealed with no CCW. The guy was stupid for not knowing basic firearm safety.....but if you feel your life is in danger....sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Who knows if the article has anything to do with him carrying due to his teammate getting robbed a few days earlier? The old adage: "better to be caught with it then to be caught without it" may save a life. IF it hasn't already.

[Exposed]

Well I know for a fact there are several CGNers who carry concealed with no CCW. The guy was stupid for not knowing basic firearm safety.....but if you feel your life is in danger....sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Who knows if the article has anything to do with him carrying due to his teammate getting robbed a few days earlier? The old adage: "better to be caught with it then to be caught without it" may save a life. IF it hasn't already.

+1 ;)

[Liberty1]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kramer/kramer22.html

[locktime]

Plaxico was just not professional enough to handle the Glock Forty, it seems.

[Colt]

How do you ND a Glock? Seems to me finger (or something) pretty much has to contact trigger. So, why handle it in the club? Was it carried loose in pocket? Did I miss some details?

Whole story seems to missing some info...

[CCWFacts]

Under some situations, I do have sympathy for people who are busted for packing-sans-CCW. Under other situations, I do not have sympathy.

In this case, I disagree very strongly with NY's CCW and gun laws in general. However, my sympathy is not aroused, because:


He was drinking while packing. That is an absolute no-no. Drinking + gun + accident does not arouse my sympathy.
He probably did not have training or proper equipment. A Glock must be carried in a holster; it is not suitable for "Mexican" style of carry or pocket carry. If it had been in a holster it would not have moved around and the trigger would have been covered and it would not have gone off. Incompetence does not arouse my sympathy.
Was it really prudent of him to be in that situation? I don't go to nightclubs where I might need a gun. Having a negligent discharge in a nightclub does not arouse my symapthy.
Had he really done everything he could do to get a permit? He certainly had more than enough funding to file suits, including a solid Heller incorporation suit, to get his permit. Did he do it? No. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who haven't used the resources available to them to get legal.
Was he active in gun rights? The absolute minimal level of being active is being an NRA member. But with his money and celebrity, he should have been a powerful force for CCW reform in NY. The NRA really could use a sports star like him, an urban black NFL star, to revitalize the NRA image and brand. But he wasn't. I really do not have sympathy for people who think they are beyond the law due to status. He didn't do anything to help the rights of us normal people, so it's hard for this normal person to shed tears for him.


The law was wrong, but I have a hard time sympathizing with this particular defendant.

Unfortunately for him, right now his celebrity will work powerfully against him. NY's laws on this are clear; it's a handful of serious felonies. A normal street thug would probably have had little consequences for this, but a famous guy is going to be made an example of. That's sad.

[SlushPup]

What kind of gun was he carrying?

[bandogg]

What kind of gun was he carrying?

It would seem a Glock 22:cool:

[IPSICK]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28004631/

Unfortunately these are the kind articles we'll see from this event.

[skateboarder74]

I think shooting himself should be punishment enough

[RobG]

How do you ND a Glock? Seems to me finger (or something) pretty much has to contact trigger. So, why handle it in the club? Was it carried loose in pocket? Did I miss some details?

Whole story seems to missing some info...

Apparently he had it tucked in waist band (mexican carry) and after it started to slip down his leg he attempted to slide it back up the pant leg and BAM!
He should have found someone in the club "professional enough......"

[yellowfin]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28004631/

Unfortunately these are the kind articles we'll see from this event. It wouldn't be as much of a problem if the people in the press lived in areas where carry is more common so they wouldn't think it to be so out of the norm.

[56Chevy]

He also got a lot of people at a New York hospital in serious trouble by convincing them not to report the shooting, as required by law.
Why do we even have such laws? It seems that ANYTHING involving a gun is considered the worst thing in the world.

[nicki]

Guys,

If any of you haved access to anyone in the NFL, players union would be a good start, now is the time to be calling in favors.

Yes, he made a stupid mistake, I think he's learned enough.

Bottom line is Mayor Mike wants to make a example out of him, that means no deals.

Already Heller has struck in 2 gun cases with favorable results in New York State.

Mayor Mike wants to put him away for 3.5 years, Burress has two choices, fight or surrender.

His lawyers won't be able to cut deals with the DA, too high profile, but they will be able to mount a defense.

Here we have a potential for a 2nd, 9th and 14th amendment defense against NYC's Sullivan law.

Our CCW law is very similar to NYC's, but unlike NY, we have PRA's.

Why is it important. Because Burresses legal team can access the CCW data and document patterns of abuse here in Cal.

From that, they can reasonably plead with a Judge for massive discovery not only of NYC's pistol permit system, but the whole NY State ccw system.

Burress has the funds for such a lawsuit and if he doesn't, he has friends with deep pockets.

The best start would probably be the NFL players union. If anyone has contacts with someone in the players union in the SF Bay area and can get access, I beg of you to follow up on it.

If you don't know what to say, ask people on this board for help or send me a PM.

We got alot of talented people here and I am sure we could put together a good team to talk with a NFL Player Union rep.

I'm not ruling out the owners, if they are open so I am.

Considering that most of the country is Pro Gun, Burress can turn this from just a gun issue, into a civil rights issue.

Nicki

[Mulay El Raisuli]

Guys,

If any of you haved access to anyone in the NFL, players union would be a good start, now is the time to be calling in favors.

Yes, he made a stupid mistake, I think he's learned enough.

Bottom line is Mayor Mike wants to make a example out of him, that means no deals.

Already Heller has struck in 2 gun cases with favorable results in New York State.

Mayor Mike wants to put him away for 3.5 years, Burress has two choices, fight or surrender.

His lawyers won't be able to cut deals with the DA, too high profile, but they will be able to mount a defense.

Here we have a potential for a 2nd, 9th and 14th amendment defense against NYC's Sullivan law.

Our CCW law is very similar to NYC's, but unlike NY, we have PRA's.

Why is it important. Because Burresses legal team can access the CCW data and document patterns of abuse here in Cal.

From that, they can reasonably plead with a Judge for massive discovery not only of NYC's pistol permit system, but the whole NY State ccw system.

Burress has the funds for such a lawsuit and if he doesn't, he has friends with deep pockets.

The best start would probably be the NFL players union. If anyone has contacts with someone in the players union in the SF Bay area and can get access, I beg of you to follow up on it.

If you don't know what to say, ask people on this board for help or send me a PM.

We got alot of talented people here and I am sure we could put together a good team to talk with a NFL Player Union rep.

I'm not ruling out the owners, if they are open so I am.

Considering that most of the country is Pro Gun, Burress can turn this from just a gun issue, into a civil rights issue.

Nicki


ABSOLUTELY! This is exactly the kind of case of I have written about before (the "I feel the need" thread, for instance). IE; one that practically screams "INCORPORATE THE 14TH & DO IT NOW!"

Better, here we have a criminal defendant who isn't a sleazeball. One who rates as a "sympathetic" (to the vast majority of people) defendant. And best of all, one with LOTS of money! Which means he can afford to hire all of the "right" lawyers.

There being no real defense to the charges themselves, at least as I far as I can see, the only real defense is to attack the law itself. Pre-trial Motions arguing HELLER, Incorporation & the data you suggest would do just that & move thru the system VERY quickly. Not only could SULLIVAN go bye-bye, it could go before the summer.

The Raisuli