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L2C
11-23-2008, 12:22 PM
I am getting an Ar-10 with 24" fluted barrel. Want to know what would be the best scope for this rifle under $500 if it is possible.

Hoop
11-23-2008, 5:46 PM
Nikon 2.5-10 Monarch (they also make a 6-18X in that price range)
Supersniper 10X
There are a few Bushnell Elites out there, never used one though
You could probably find a Leupold VX III used on Ebay for that price

Might help if you posed up what exactly you are looking for in a scope

rksimple
11-23-2008, 7:07 PM
What type of shooting? To what distance? Hunting? Competition?

FMJBT
11-23-2008, 11:06 PM
I'm currently running a Leapers 3-12x44 Accushot scope on my AR-10. I intended to use it until something better came along, but It's worked well enough that I decided just to keep it on there. It's no Nightforce, but it get's the job done even at 1000 yards.

http://album.hybridz.org/data/500/medium/Tacticool_Rings.jpg

If I were going to upgrade to something else, I'd probably go with Falcon Optics as they are the cheapest scopes I've found with MP20 reticles (Similar to Mil Dot, but with extra stadia lines to allow for holdovers at long range)
http://www.sightwonders.com/wonders%20optics_013.htm

Nikon Buckmaster and Bushnell Elite 3200 10X mil dot are good choices too.

Hoop
11-24-2008, 7:17 AM
If I were going to upgrade to something else, I'd probably go with Falcon Optics as they are the cheapest scopes I've found with MP20 reticles (Similar to Mil Dot, but with extra stadia lines to allow for holdovers at long range)
http://www.sightwonders.com/wonders%20optics_013.htm

Nikon Buckmaster and Bushnell Elite 3200 10X mil dot are good choices too.

I think the Falcon's are made in China, or at least the parts are. They are okay, but for the price you can find better from other manufacturers.

I wish I could find .223, .308 and .300 win calibrated turrets for my Nikon Monarch and be done with it.

LibertyOptics
11-24-2008, 3:50 PM
A Leapers on an AR-10?? And painted too? I've seen it all now......

10TH AMENDMENT
11-25-2008, 8:28 AM
I'm currently running a Leapers 3-12x44 Accushot scope on my AR-10. I intended to use it until something better came along, but It's worked well enough that I decided just to keep it on there. It's no Nightforce, but it get's the job done even at 1000 yards.

http://album.hybridz.org/data/500/medium/Tacticool_Rings.jpg

If I were going to upgrade to something else, I'd probably go with Falcon Optics as they are the cheapest scopes I've found with MP20 reticles (Similar to Mil Dot, but with extra stadia lines to allow for holdovers at long range)
http://www.sightwonders.com/wonders%20optics_013.htm

Nikon Buckmaster and Bushnell Elite 3200 10X mil dot are good choices too.

FMJBT:

Did you have to trim that Magpul so that it would not interfere with the seating of the mag in the magwell?

L2C
11-25-2008, 8:32 PM
What type of shooting? To what distance? Hunting? Competition?

Just shooting targets, up to 600yds. Want to be able to switch it between AR and Tikka T3(.223)

rksimple
11-25-2008, 8:43 PM
Just shooting targets, up to 600yds. Want to be able to switch it between AR and Tikka T3(.223)

Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 mildot is a good buy and excellent scope. They make a 6-18 in that same price range with about the same features.

L2C
11-25-2008, 8:59 PM
Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 mildot is a good buy and excellent scope. They make a 6-18 in that same price range with about the same features.

Are leupolds overpriced for the same thing I can get on a nikon buckmaster?

rksimple
11-25-2008, 9:04 PM
Depends on the features you want. Leupold has a name and a following...and scopes that break...often. Good thing they have great customer service.

I find finger adjustable, "zeroable" turrets and mildot reticle (or equiv) to be essential. Just depends on what you want.

L2C
11-25-2008, 9:15 PM
Depends on the features you want. Leupold has a name and a following...and scopes that break...often. Good thing they have great customer service.

I find finger adjustable, "zeroable" turrets and mildot reticle (or equiv) to be essential. Just depends on what you want.

Nikon Monarch 6-24x50 or leupold vxIII 6.5-20x40. I am very new to this scope thing so bear with me. I am trying to understand the difference between all the different scopes. Thanks

Hoop
11-25-2008, 10:01 PM
Nikon Monarch 6-24x50 or leupold vxIII 6.5-20x40. I am very new to this scope thing so bear with me. I am trying to understand the difference between all the different scopes. Thanks

Both of those are fine scopes.

L2C
11-25-2008, 10:18 PM
Both of those are fine scopes.

Which one would be better for my money?

L2C
11-25-2008, 10:24 PM
Both of those are fine scopes.

Do you think I should one of these or save my money to get a leupold mark 4 lr/t 8.5-25x50? A friend had recommended that one

FMJBT
11-25-2008, 11:02 PM
FMJBT:

Did you have to trim that Magpul so that it would not interfere with the seating of the mag in the magwell?

I trimmed about 3/8" off the top of it to gain enough clearance. It still rode up on the mag body though, preventing full seating. I don't use them on those mags anymore, too much of a reliability issue even after trimming.

aplinker
11-26-2008, 12:10 AM
Do you think I should one of these or save my money to get a leupold mark 4 lr/t 8.5-25x50? A friend had recommended that one

too much magnification.

You want something that tops out from 10-14 if it's a SFP scope - since the reticle is usually calibrated at the highest magnification.

Most people use too much magnification - it really doesn't help except to see holes (if you buy something horribly expensive).

rabagley
11-26-2008, 1:26 AM
I think the Falcon's are made in China, or at least the parts are. They are okay, but for the price you can find better from other manufacturers.

I wish I could find .223, .308 and .300 win calibrated turrets for my Nikon Monarch and be done with it.

Falcon lenses are made in Japan. The aluminum components are made in China. They are assembled by Falcon employees in the UK.

rksimple
11-26-2008, 7:02 AM
too much magnification.

You want something that tops out from 10-14 if it's a SFP scope - since the reticle is usually calibrated at the highest magnification.



This is good advice. 10x scopes are underrated. People think that 10x -14x is not enough magnification. But it is. When my IOR SH edition took a dump on me, I had to take this (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=328651#Post328651) class with my old Bushnell 3200 10x. I thought I'd be screwed. We had targets out to 1035 yards but 10x didn't seem to be a problem at all. You want a scope that has the reticle calibrated (you will want a mildot or equivalent reticle) at anywhere from 10-14x. This will allow wind/elevation holds, corrections, etc. at a more usuable power than 20x or more...like those leupolds. Even now with my 5-25 S&B, I rarely put it above 15x. Most of the time I'm at 12-14x, even at 1k. I turn it up to spot, thats about it. But being FFP, I can get away with more magnification without having to worry about the reticle being calibrated.

Take a look at the Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x mildot. It'll take you to 600 yards without a canted base. Get a feel for the scope, reticle, and what it takes to reliably make hits that far away. After a while, you'll know if you need to upgrade and what you want in a scope.

Hoop
11-26-2008, 7:04 AM
Do you think I should one of these or save my money to get a leupold mark 4 lr/t 8.5-25x50? A friend had recommended that one

There's nothing wrong with that scope, just a little too much magnification for my taste. Anything beyond 14X is more of a varmint scope.

For 300-400 I would get either a SuperSniper 10X or a Nikon 10X Monarch mildot.

For 600 I would look for a used Leupold in the 10X to 14X range with a mildot.

For 800-1000 I would get either a Nikon Tactical, a Leupold, or an IOR Valdada, again in the 10X-12X range with Mildots and/or the IOR MP8 reticle.

That's just me, like I said all the scopes you've brought up have been fine scopes. Despite what some might say, you really can't go wrong with Nikon or Leupold.

L2C
11-26-2008, 7:11 AM
too much magnification.

You want something that tops out from 10-14 if it's a SFP scope - since the reticle is usually calibrated at the highest magnification.

Most people use too much magnification - it really doesn't help except to see holes (if you buy something horribly expensive).

with this magnification, what is the farthest yardage I would be able to shoot at?

Jicko
11-26-2008, 7:17 AM
Do you think I should one of these or save my money to get a leupold mark 4 lr/t 8.5-25x50? A friend had recommended that one

For the price of a Mark4 LR/T 8.5-25x.... you can get a used NF NXS 3.5-15x

I had seen them as low as $900 on the 'Hide.... or in generally, if you wait, you should be able to get one around $1000-$1100.

rksimple
11-26-2008, 7:17 AM
with this magnification, what is the farthest yardage I would be able to shoot at?

10x will take you to 1000+ yards easy. Magnification isn't everything. Theres a guy that competes regularly (and kicks a**) up at sac valley to 1000 yards with a Bushnell 3200 10x on a stock 700p. He's frequently in the top 10.

L2C
11-26-2008, 12:24 PM
If I decided on the magnification, can anyone help me choose between these three unless there is any other suggestions. I also would like to know what reticle to go with. Nikon monarch 4-16x50 bdc reticle, Nikon buckmaster 4.5-16x40 (reticle?) or Leupold VX-III 4.5-14 (reticle?)

Hoop
11-26-2008, 10:08 PM
If I decided on the magnification, can anyone help me choose between these three unless there is any other suggestions. I also would like to know what reticle to go with. Nikon monarch 4-16x50 bdc reticle, Nikon buckmaster 4.5-16x40 (reticle?) or Leupold VX-III 4.5-14 (reticle?)

Mildots.

BDC is for hunting.

L2C
11-27-2008, 12:18 AM
Mildots.

BDC is for hunting.

Thanks. Out of the 3 I mentioned, which one do u think I should get

rksimple
11-27-2008, 7:02 AM
Buckmaster 4.5-14 mildot. I've seen too many VXIII's bite the dust.

Hoop
11-27-2008, 3:11 PM
There's a Valdada scope in the parts section that would do nicely for you if you want to pay that much for a used one.

L2C
11-27-2008, 6:13 PM
Buckmaster 4.5-14 mildot. I've seen too many VXIII's bite the dust.

when u say it bites the dust, what actually happens to it? What is the difference between tv nikon monarch and buckmaster

rksimple
11-27-2008, 6:59 PM
when u say it bites the dust, what actually happens to it?

Won't hold zero and adjustments no longer work. Seen it more than once.

jcaoloveshine
11-27-2008, 7:23 PM
A 10x magnification would be pretty good, gives you more money for ammo. I'm getting a Bushnell 3200 Elite 10x mildot for $160 total LNIB off a respected member at snipershide, and that scope with real basic 15MOA base and Leupold factory rings should get my stock 700P out to 1000 yards.

800+160= 960 bucks for a rifle and scope that will help me get practice in high power shooting. Not bad.

Of course later down the line when I'm good enough and (rich) enough something higher end like a Leupold MK4 or Nightforce would be nice, but for starters you don't really need super super nice stuff.

Solidsnake87
12-05-2008, 10:13 AM
Leapers 3-12x44 Accushot

Dude, I'm sorry, If that thing tracks well out to 1000 you have already pushed your luck. lol.

Go with the Super sniper 10X and a nice pair of rings (Leupold or NF). The whole scope/ring package will run you about $500 and you'll be pleased with a scope that tracks well. That optic is pretty much considered the standard introductory distanced shooting optic. If you start to really like distanced shooting, don;t hesitate to shell out the cash for a NF or USO. They are lightyears beyond any leupold I've had.

FMJBT
12-05-2008, 12:29 PM
Dude, I'm sorry, If that thing tracks well out to 1000 you have already pushed your luck. lol.

Go with the Super sniper 10X and a nice pair of rings (Leupold or NF). The whole scope/ring package will run you about $500 and you'll be pleased with a scope that tracks well. That optic is pretty much considered the standard introductory distanced shooting optic. If you start to really like distanced shooting, don;t hesitate to shell out the cash for a NF or USO. They are lightyears beyond any leupold I've had.

The internal elevation on it won't allow for 1000 yards, but I've had good results using the mil dots as holdovers. Granted, it's not as precise as dialing in elevation, but it's a semi auto. It doesn't need to be as precise on the first shot.

I'd take the Bushnell 3200 10X Mil Dot over the Super Sniper. Same capabilities in a more compact and lighter weight package. If the Leapers ever takes a dump on me, I'll probably end up putting either a Bushnell 10x or Nikon Buckmaster on in it's place.

Or I could just save up for a quality optic like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Military-8-32x44-AOE-Mil-Dot-Hunting-Rifle-AEG-Scope-FM_W0QQitemZ350119764665QQihZ022QQcategoryZ31714QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem








:rolleyes::D

Hoop
12-05-2008, 11:27 PM
:rolleyes::D

hahahahaha

Also I think my .308 project will have the 10X bushnell until I can afford better. I like the Super Sniper but unless I find one used for the right price I don't think I'll be getting one.

FMJBT
12-05-2008, 11:40 PM
hahahahaha

Also I think my .308 project will have the 10X bushnell until I can afford better. I like the Super Sniper but unless I find one used for the right price I don't think I'll be getting one.

I think you'll be pretty happy with the Bushnell 10X. It's definitely kind of spartan as far as features go, but it has everything you need for long distance shooting, and nothing extra to complicate it or break down.

Maj. HL Roller
12-06-2008, 1:06 PM
Do yourself a favor and check out Sightron. Their S11 series with mildot reticle is in the same price range with the Nikons that you are looking at, and their glass is much clearer.

They also have the Big Sky series for just a bit more, that has better glass yet.

Sightrons claim to fame is their dead on repeatability with their adjustments.

At 500 meters, you are able to shoot the square dead on if you have a mind to. They really are that good.

THe other scopes are fine as well, but for my money, and for a rock solid scope, I always go for sightron if I can.

Good luck.

xcrunner805
12-08-2008, 6:39 PM
Try the Falcon Menace 4-14 X 44 FFP (first focal plane scope). Mildot reading is accurate, holds zero, returns to zero. The eye relief takes a few range trips to acustom to, but it's not bad. It has a paralax adjustment and windage/elevation knobs that have a decent "click" to them. Snipershide.com has group buys, you might pick one up for abut $400-450.


Here it is mounted on my .223 AR-15. Good luck!http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v368/169/15/706775785/n706775785_2128910_5076.jpg