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DrjonesUSA
11-15-2008, 2:31 PM
Now, more than ever, it is critical that gun-owners and freedom-lovers read this book.

It is the bible of freedom-loving people:


http://www.accuratepress.net/ross.html

762cavalier
11-15-2008, 3:34 PM
I think every gun owner should be obligated to read it. Best damn book I have read in a long while.

bohoki
11-15-2008, 3:39 PM
nope but i read another book called freakanomics and it really teaches you to think backwards

TKM
11-15-2008, 4:52 PM
I've bought more copies of UC than I have of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas". It's one of those books that is/and should be passed along to friends and acquaintances.

John Ross's site, Ross in range, has a lot of really good links. I've found a lot of great authors from his recommended fiction section.

Anyway, I used to have an online link to a pdf file of UC. Used only to refresh my memory for quotes under the fair use doctrine of course.

One of my next projects is to have a John Ross PC 500 converted to single action to be imported to California. I'm tangled up buying a single shot .223 pistol that costs more than a Fulton Garand at the moment, maybe around Christmas.

Edit, 4/24/16 I ended up getting the PC500 but with my birthday as the serial number. John is an all around good guy and dug into his safe to find my perfect gun. It's a damn shame the two tone version is off roster. As a first novelist JR makes a pretty good first novelist. As we all know now, certain parts have been overtaken by history. IIRC Mr. Ross has had some medical issues that have set back part II indefinitely.

sorensen440
11-15-2008, 4:54 PM
not yet but its on the short list

hoffmang
11-15-2008, 5:16 PM
It starts a little slow, a little dense, and a little historically incorrect (it sucks knowing the complete details of US v. Miller...) but once it gets going its a kick.

-Gene

Ford8N
11-15-2008, 6:04 PM
The book was on line at one time but the link died before I could print it out. So no, I haven't read it yet but I want to. I've tried looking for it at a couple of my favorite used books stores but no luck.

ldivinag
11-15-2008, 6:04 PM
will it be made into a movie?????

FreedomIsNotFree
11-16-2008, 1:26 PM
I want it on audio. Between family and work, I dont have much downtime to sit and read. I'd like to listen while on the road to/from work, but from everything I've gathered, its not available as an audio book.

Meplat
11-16-2008, 1:33 PM
No wy in hell.

will it be made into a movie?????

rkt88edmo
11-16-2008, 1:36 PM
It starts a little slow, a little dense, and a little historically incorrect (it sucks knowing the complete details of US v. Miller...) but once it gets going its a kick.

-Gene

Hey now, you aren't going to get off that easily - we need detail man, historically accurate detail!

bwiese
11-16-2008, 1:45 PM
If I need to know how bad gov't agencies are I can look at their actions.

It's more productive to read the Penal Code.

hoffmang
11-16-2008, 2:30 PM
Hey now, you aren't going to get off that easily - we need detail man, historically accurate detail!

As far as I can tell the fictional recount of the Miller arrest is just wrong. Also, Miller was dead by the time the Supreme Court case was heard. I'd have to go back to the book to catch all the details, but it just handles the facts of the case almost as poorly as SCOTUS did in Heller on both sides.

-Gene

ke6guj
11-16-2008, 3:39 PM
Gene, have you seen this?

http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=279328

It is regarding the history of Jack Miller. Actually looks like Miller died between the Supreme Court oral arguements and the decision being rendered.

I also never realized that Layton plead guity after the case was remanded. I had thought that he was in the wind at that point

M. Sage
11-16-2008, 4:19 PM
nope but i read another book called freakanomics and it really teaches you to think backwards

Correction: It teaches you that you're thinking backwards. It corrects that and teaches you to think forwards!

SkatinJJ
11-16-2008, 6:05 PM
I haven't read it.

I hadn't even heard of it until this thread.

AKman
11-16-2008, 7:28 PM
I had a hard time getting past the front cover.

westcoastr
11-17-2008, 9:06 AM
everyone should read it but be prepared as it is way over the top. kind of like shaving with a chain saw [a 12-year old breaking clays w/ a BAR??]. very Ayn Rand-like in the portrayal of good vs evil, where guns= 100% good and antis= 100% evil. no anti will ever read and it won't persuade a fence sitter. its just good red meat to rally pro 2a side.

I've never found a book that does a good job of being both convincing and palatable to the masses

naimad
11-17-2008, 9:19 AM
Great book highly recommended, one book you cant put down once you start reading it

valleyguy
11-17-2008, 10:29 AM
Would love to read it, but can't find it anywhere. Amazon has used copies for around $150 :eek:

Dr. Peter Venkman
11-17-2008, 10:52 AM
Too busy reading Mill.

aileron
11-17-2008, 10:54 AM
Would love to read it, but can't find it anywhere. Amazon has used copies for around $150 :eek:

Took three minutes to find online. :p

http://www.accuratepress.net/ross.html

29 buckaroos.

Lex Arma
11-17-2008, 11:27 AM
I second Gene's comments. Starts slow, gets a little bogged down on polemics, but it is a kick *** story.

DrjonesUSA
11-17-2008, 11:42 AM
The book was on line at one time but the link died before I could print it out. So no, I haven't read it yet but I want to. I've tried looking for it at a couple of my favorite used books stores but no luck.


There are no legal electronic copies of UC and this author deserves to get paid for this book - it is excellent.

Please do not pirate this book.

DrjonesUSA
11-17-2008, 11:44 AM
Now, more than ever, it is critical that gun-owners and freedom-lovers read this book.

It is the bible of freedom-loving people:


http://www.accuratepress.net/ross.html

Would love to read it, but can't find it anywhere. Amazon has used copies for around $150 :eek:



You could have tried reading my entire post. ;) :p

GuyW
11-17-2008, 3:50 PM
...its on the to-do list...

...I read the NRA's book on Waco, and The Turner Diaries, tho...does that buy me time??

[edited, I had book title as "Turner's Diary"...]
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762cavalier
11-17-2008, 4:17 PM
...its on the to-do list...

...I read the NRA's book on Waco, and Turner's Diary, tho...does that buy me time??
.
No it doesn't, and as penance you must send me one of your guns.:D:p

DrjonesUSA
11-17-2008, 4:57 PM
...I read the NRA's book on Waco,
.


Ooohhhh.....sounds interesting.......link, please!!!

Lex Arma
11-18-2008, 7:40 AM
...its on the to-do list...

...I read the NRA's book on Waco, and Turner's Diary, tho...does that buy me time??
.

Throw the Turner Diaries in the trash, unless you are studying insane, racist conspiracies as part of clinical project.

rayra
11-18-2008, 10:43 AM
Now, more than ever, it is critical that gun-owners and freedom-lovers read this book.

It is the bible of freedom-loving people:


http://www.accuratepress.net/ross.html

What a crock. The CONSTITUTION is the 'bible' of freedom-loving people. That and my oath to it constitute more than enough guidance and instruction on what is to come.

'Unintended Consequences' is juvenile fantasy. It's even more stupid than 'V for Vendetta'. Hot lesbian porn, ready wealth, multiple identities, ready access to heavy weaponry, ready disposal of evidence / corpses, scott free into the sunset on a private jet??

/fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap

liketoshoot
11-18-2008, 11:50 AM
^^^^^^^^ I have read it twice and it is a good book, but it is also FICTION and not a true story(non-fiction) though there are some believable parts, a lot of fud is in it.
Still it is a good read.

JOEKILLA
11-18-2008, 11:55 AM
I haven't read it for this year yet.

Read it three times last year though.

Gotta love them pigs :D

odysseus
11-18-2008, 12:00 PM
...and Turner's Diary, tho...does that buy me time??

Nice.... UC has nothing to do with that piece of white power National Alliance neo-nazi crap. Putting that book in as one for gun-culture is offensive. Lies, damn lies...

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odysseus
11-18-2008, 12:00 PM
/fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap

LOL!!!

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GuyW
11-18-2008, 5:03 PM
Nice.... UC has nothing to do with that piece of white power National Alliance neo-nazi crap.

I don't subscribe to those ideas...I just read the book...

Putting that book in as one for gun-culture is offensive.

Well, right or wrong, I surmised that UC is a SHTF fiction piece...

If listers object, I'll remove the reference to the book....

sobiloff
11-18-2008, 7:06 PM
Great entertainment, and a few interesting ideas for those with the means and so inclined. (Just kidding!)

In the same "freedom fiction" vein I just finished "Neither Predator Nor Prey" (http://www.neitherpredatornorprey.com/). Not the best writing (my main complaint is that all the characters speak with the same "voice"), but pretty entertaining. Worth the $20.

I've also recently stumbled upon Mike Vanderboegh's writings which are...thought provoking. He wrote a good short story called "The Window Wars (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1604)" and is currently writing a novel called "Absolved (http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2008/07/absolved-banner-connector.html)". Both are available for free on the 'net.

ShooterMcGavin
11-19-2008, 6:53 AM
I'm game- ordered a copy

A couple other great books some of you might not be aware of; "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" and "Domestic Enemies" (sequel). Also, the latest, "Foreign Enemies" is to be released in '09. Author's name is Matthew Bracken.www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com

Bugei
11-19-2008, 7:47 AM
What a crock. The CONSTITUTION is the 'bible' of freedom-loving people. That and my oath to it constitute more than enough guidance and instruction on what is to come.

'Unintended Consequences' is juvenile fantasy. It's even more stupid than 'V for Vendetta'. Hot lesbian porn, ready wealth, multiple identities, ready access to heavy weaponry, ready disposal of evidence / corpses, scott free into the sunset on a private jet??

/fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap

The most unbelievable part of this book is that the President of the United States is shocked! Shocked, I tell you! ...to find out that so many government agencies carry weapons when the people can't.

He also has a childlike belief that he's supposed to protect and defend the Constitution.

In other words, somehow we elected Charlton Heston or L. Neil Smith. Because I cannot think of any politician anywhere that would meet that standard.

Theseus
11-19-2008, 10:35 AM
I don't need any book to tell me when my rights are being taken away or to smell )(#* when it is present.

I am almost to the point in thinking that we need to start over with a new set of laws. .. a new constitutional convention if you will.

GuyW
11-19-2008, 11:29 AM
Ooohhhh.....sounds interesting.......link, please!!!

http://www.amazon.com/No-More-Wacos-Federal-Enforcement/dp/1573921254/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227126448&sr=1-6

(Blackman is an NRA guy)
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dragonbait1a
11-20-2008, 12:10 PM
This thread Inspired me to borrow a copy from a fully tinfoiled friend, and read it. Its a bunch of fictionalized historical events wrapped around too many over the top characters. it builds and builds and doesn't pay off. It feeds into the idea of "Yay! we'll just shoot the jerks!" Several of the vignettes don't even belong in the story (the FBI-Miami shootout for example). They are they solely to inform the reader about a reference in the future.

This book reinforced my belief in the Gene Hoffman "It's not that bad" school of thought. We must press on, and yes there are many restrictions and bad regulatory agencies. But with Heller and the advances in CCW around the country and the good things happening here, the need to panic or "shoot the jerks" is less and less.

For a good sci-fi Libertarian book that deals with freedom and arms much better then Unintended Consequences try Freehold (http://www.webscription.net/p-162-freehold.aspx) by Michael Z. Williamson. The link is the a legitimate FREE online copy. Much better written IMHO and more likable characters.


RGB

Max-the-Silent
11-20-2008, 12:26 PM
I enjoyed the history section (first section) more than the present day section, but Ross wrote a hell of a story overall.

For you younger guys that have read the book, it really was like that (mail order sales, title 1 and NFA "dewats") before '68 - I used to get my Navy Arms and Hunters Lodge catalogs and spent much after school job wages on mail order stuff the same way Henry Bowman did - the only difference was the soci-economic status of my family and his fictional character.

Interesting note - one of th big mail order dewat sellers was located in San Mateo, California.

Rob454
11-20-2008, 2:35 PM
Never heard of it. Where do you buy it or is it a online book only. Anyone have one they read. Ill buy it PM me
thanx

lowracer
04-24-2016, 2:21 PM
Yes I know I'm resurrecting a 2712-day old thread but just finished reading this book. With a good editor this could be cut down to half its size and still achieve the desired result. That being said I did enjoy reading the story, fictionalized as it was. I found it to be a lot more readable than Atlas Shrugged, which I am still struggling with.

FWIW it is back in print now; you can get it from the publisher for $40 delivered. This is probably one book you should have a hard copy of, hidden away in your survival bunker. Along with 1984 and Brave New World, couple others I could name but won't.

Did I read somewhere that the ATF went after the author, the publisher, and the author's wife, to try to get it un-published? Must have struck a nerve.

-Mark

BigStiCK
04-24-2016, 2:37 PM
You may now hold the record for Necro-posters. Lemme check with Guinness....

stonefly-2
04-24-2016, 8:35 PM
Yes I know I'm resurrecting a 2712-day old thread but just finished reading this book. With a good editor this could be cut down to half its size and still achieve the desired result. That being said I did enjoy reading the story, fictionalized as it was. I found it to be a lot more readable than Atlas Shrugged, which I am still struggling with.

FWIW it is back in print now; you can get it from the publisher for $40 delivered. This is probably one book you should have a hard copy of, hidden away in your survival bunker. Along with 1984 and Brave New World, couple others I could name but won't.

Did I read somewhere that the ATF went after the author, the publisher, and the author's wife, to try to get it un-published? Must have struck a nerve.

-Mark

Yes there are copies available again, a friend picked one in paperback up for me at a gun show recently.
I had asked him to pick up several but the vendor only had one left.
He said it was strange, he paid the vendor and the vendor looked him in the eye and said "thank you" in an odd way.

baggss
04-24-2016, 9:01 PM
Read it? Never even heard of it until today. The write up on Wikipedia sounds less than exciting.

BluNorthern
04-25-2016, 4:22 AM
There's a pdf version online.

desertjosh
04-25-2016, 5:22 AM
It's a good read.

Wrangler John
04-25-2016, 6:26 AM
Nah, I usually don't read such books; they disturb my digestion at breakfast, and an encore of fried hominy with bacon bits is less than desirable; such fare should leave the stage never to return.

Right now I am reading, T.R.: The Last Romantic, a history of Theodore Roosevelt by H.W. Brands (a book sold by weight). Then it's on to, Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson, and the Opening of the American West, by Stephen Ambrose. Then there is the challenge of, Summa Contra Gentiles, by Saint Thomas Aquinas, in five volumes. For something a little lighter I have, somewhere in the stack, Quantum Enigma: Physics Encounters Consciousness, by Bruce Rosenblum and Fred Kuttner. So far, in other tomes, I have learned from quantum physics that one never gives a kitten to an Austrian physicist named Schrödinger, lest it become simultaneously dead and alive, sort of like my hemorrhoids.

One lesson life has taught me is to avoid bookstores while bored and in possession of a credit card, another is that one can avoid that haughty snobbery of certain bookstores within five miles of Stanford University with Amazon Prime. Another is that if one lives long enough, history becomes those events one lived through as a youth; much more interesting to read about than (or is it then?) they seemed at the time.

Excuse me now, I have to order the new Nosler #8 Reloading Manual.

Trigger Guard
04-25-2016, 3:27 PM
I do believe it's time to feed the hogs!

Cnynrat
04-25-2016, 3:34 PM
I have it, but haven't had a chance to read it yet.

Citadelgrad87
04-25-2016, 3:43 PM
The story is meh at best.

I like the tone and flavor, but it's basically like Mr. Ross looked at an old soluthern ad and thought, if I had a time machine....wait, I'll have my hero be prescient.

The hero as a teenager cutting and serializing pipe sections to avoid ATF registration, and, as someone else mentioned, the giant farm/quarry where he shoots 20mm all day, crazy wealth and weapons, gratuitous lesbos, it's like a twelve year olds idea of a good story. Everybody the guy knows is also rich without working, and has tons of guns.

I won't post spoilers, but the stuff that "average Americans" start doing is...not believable.

Read Blood Meridian, or Moby Dick, for that matter, then tell me this is a great book.

I enjoyed the story but it's not well written, and, as someone else already mentioned, no antigunner in the history of the universe will ever read it.

RazoE
04-30-2016, 10:02 AM
Years ago. Was not at all impressed. In fact didn't finish it.