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.454
11-11-2008, 6:11 PM
Chuck Schumer says NYers can expect more gun control soon. From 1010 WINS (http://www.1010wins.com/Schumer--Change-Coming-to-N-Y-/3284319):

“Senator Chuck Schumer announced Sunday the types of changes New Yorkers can expect to see when Barack Obama takes office in January … areas to expect change include lowering crime by keeping illegal guns off the streets …”

Don't forget to ask Booshanky or any of the leftwingers on this board to explain to you one more time how Democrats learned their lesson:rolleyes:

hawk1
11-11-2008, 6:21 PM
Calgunners that voted for BHO are no different than Judas. They sold out for their own personal gains.

sigsauer887
11-11-2008, 6:27 PM
Haha...bring it! Lets see what we can do for New York.

.454
11-11-2008, 6:29 PM
Calgunners that voted for BHO are no different than Judas. They sold out for their own personal gains.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OK4KAPX4-00/SA3Bmruc7iI/AAAAAAAAAdw/5u1dq7tJxQw/s1600/USbe5.jpg

AJAX22
11-11-2008, 6:33 PM
F......

NY doesn't need any more gun controll..... EVERYTHING is already illegal

seriously, tazers, UNREGISTERD peperspray, bb guns, knives, sticks, black powder guns, ammunition, magazines, Fing EVERYTHING

doesn't stop the crooks, hoodlums, or thugs from carying rods... although they don't really need them..

and per capita the crime level isn't bad.... (skyscrapers put a LOT of people in a small area)

but my school campus had more than one armed robery on campus every 3 days last year (137 of them)... and it only occupies 2 city blocks.

oh, and most crime is not even reported... the cops never catch anyone... what can I tell them after I get robbed?... some black guy stole my stuff... looked like one of the average thugs from the 125th street projects... gee they'll get right on it and find my ipod for me asap!

I dont get hassled because I'm big... and apparently I look like I'd hurt people.. but all the smaller people do.

this place has been legislated into a criminals paradise...

I'd tell you all what I REALLY think of the commies here, but the language would get me banned for a week.

They should take all the Pinko, Commie, Leftist, Degenerate, Socialist, Self Righteous A&& CLOWNS and stick them on some god forsaken island somewhere......... oh... wait... never mind.... I think they did.....

Ding126
11-11-2008, 6:36 PM
Funny political talk from Schumer....If they would keep " Illegal guns " away from criminals, then there would be less crime involving illegal guns... Wow what a brilliant man..

This code for, "we want all the guns off the street"

hawk1
11-11-2008, 7:08 PM
Haha...bring it! Lets see what we can do for New York.

F......

NY doesn't need any more gun controll..... EVERYTHING is already illegal

seriously, tazers, UNREGISTERD peperspray, bb guns, knives, sticks, black powder guns, ammunition, magazines, Fing EVERYTHING

doesn't stop the crooks, hoodlums, or thugs from carying rods... although they don't really need them..

and per capita the crime level isn't bad.... (skyscrapers put a LOT of people in a small area)

but my school campus had more than one armed robery on campus every 3 days last year (137 of them)... and it only occupies 2 city blocks.

oh, and most crime is not even reported... the cops never catch anyone... what can I tell them after I get robbed?... some black guy stole my stuff... looked like one of the average thugs from the 125th street projects... gee they'll get right on it and find my ipod for me asap!

I dont get hassled because I'm big... and apparently I look like I'd hurt people.. but all the smaller people do.

this place has been legislated into a criminals paradise...

I'd tell you all what I REALLY think of the commies here, but the language would get me banned for a week.

They should take all the Pinko, Commie, Leftist, Degenerate, Socialist, Self Righteous A&& CLOWNS and stick them on some god forsaken island somewhere......... oh... wait... never mind.... I think they did.....


You need to re-read that, it's going to apply to us as well. Schumer doesn't write laws just for NY.

.454
11-11-2008, 9:10 PM
The silence of the lefties is deafening...

MudCamper
11-11-2008, 9:20 PM
The silence of the lefties is deafening...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=130763

Oh, and one more thing 454,

http://www.paul.net/guns/images/JoinorDie800.png

N6ATF
11-12-2008, 12:30 AM
Illegal guns, from Mexico!

Sutcliffe
11-12-2008, 5:31 AM
Let it be known that my property has now been declared a 'sanctuary city'. Any and all guns fleeing politcal persecution can find safety and comfort merely by climbing over or under my white picket fence.

56Chevy
11-12-2008, 5:58 AM
Chuck Schumer says NYers can expect more gun control soon. From 1010 WINS (http://www.1010wins.com/Schumer--Change-Coming-to-N-Y-/3284319):



Don't forget to ask Booshanky or any of the leftwingers on this board to explain to you one more time how Democrats learned their lesson:rolleyes:
I remember seeing Steyr223 say that he didn't care because he already got everything he wanted before the CA AW ban. :rolleyes: This quote kind of sums it up:
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams

hawk1
11-12-2008, 7:49 AM
The silence of the lefties is deafening...

Because they are standing in line waiting for the Obama hand outs to start...

The Director
11-12-2008, 8:09 AM
Calgunners that voted for BHO are no different than Judas. They sold out for their own personal gains.

exactly.

motorhead
11-12-2008, 8:10 AM
he and his ilk are still trying to pull heller out of their collective butts. their bold talk belies their real fear, even with all the democrats in the world they can't take away all the guns.

MudCamper
11-12-2008, 8:12 AM
Calgunners that voted for BHO are no different than Judas. They sold out for their own personal gains.

exactly.

That's it. Bash fellow CalGunners. Let's divide so the anti's can conquer. Great strategy.

hawk1
11-12-2008, 8:22 AM
That's it. Bash fellow CalGunners. Let's divide so the anti's can conquer. Great strategy.

So when they voted for Obama they didn't start the so called "divide" you speak of? Why is it when we point it out, we start the "divide"? Feeling a bit guilty for the Obama vote? :confused:

RomanDad
11-12-2008, 8:28 AM
So when they voted for Obama they didn't start the so called "divide" you speak of? Why is it when we point it out, we start the "divide"? Feeling a bit guilty for the Obama vote? :confused:

Liberalism means never having to say you were wrong.

Grakken
11-12-2008, 8:34 AM
That's it. Bash fellow CalGunners. Let's divide so the anti's can conquer. Great strategy.

although i agree with what you say (about divide and conquer), what did you expect people (majority) here to do? As a member of this community, voting for Obama is like voting for more gun control and people feel a certain level of betrayal.

I hold the 2A # 1 on my priority list when it comes to me selecting a candidate to vote for. Though things like the economy, and the 2 wars are secondary. They are secondary to me because they arent permanent. The economy will eventually get better, the wars will eventually end but gun bans can and often times are FOREVER.

IMHO, i dont foresee us having a problem as to revolt against our government (Open, armed revolt), in my lifetime anyways. However, I am not naive enough to think that our government is immune to dictatorship. Never know what this country will look like in 150 years but if they take away the one 'check' we have to a Government takeover now, than its only a matter of time. History has many examples.

So you say why divide and conquer? it wouldnt be the case had people not voted for a KNOWN anti gunner. Its obvious to me that the people here who voted for BHO werent voting for him because they like his 2A position, they obviosuly hold other aspects of his campaign higher than they do their 2A right..and thats their perogative. Just dont tell me or point your finger to people here, on calguns, a known 2A champion site that we are the ones causing the divide.

Do you think thet Sarah Brady has anyone on her staff who is for having and keeping AR-15's?? and if they did have a Pro 2A person amongst them (thats known lol) that all of them wouldnt be griefing that person? Id bet they would fire that person on the spot.

M. D. Van Norman
11-12-2008, 8:55 AM
Some people believe or want to believe that the governments can be a benevolent and just friends. In fact, however, governments are wild, dangerous beasts that are best kept caged and restrained as much as possible.

AaronHorrocks
11-12-2008, 9:00 AM
Illegal guns, from Mexico!

Guns aren't illegal. Only aliens are.

Cardinal Sin
11-12-2008, 9:15 AM
"Undocumented" guns ;) "Illegal" is not PC :rolleyes:

sigsauer887
11-12-2008, 9:19 AM
I remember seeing Steyr223 say that he didn't care because he already got everything he wanted before the CA AW ban. :rolleyes: This quote kind of sums it up:

Yea, that's one thing I didn't like about steyr223. Was pretty selfish IMO, especially for the younger guys like me who weren't even able to own a firearm until 2006.

MudCamper
11-12-2008, 9:22 AM
I've said it repeatedly over time in these forums. I'll say it again. We don't need to try and change all Americans into Republicans. That is a losing strategy. We need to change Democrats into pro-gunnies. If you hadn't noticed, the Republicans had their asses handed to them in both the House and the Senate. Stop alienating Democrats and start befriending them, and educating those that need it.

CalNRA
11-12-2008, 9:24 AM
We need to change Democrats into pro-gunnies.

I have heard more ambitious statements before but it is right up there.

MudCamper
11-12-2008, 9:42 AM
I have heard more ambitious statements before but it is right up there.

Again, a not-so-sublte insult directed at Democrats. FYI, I am a Democrat. I am vehemently Pro 2A. However, I am growing weary of fighting for these rights, within a group that hates me so much. I originally came to CalGuns for similar reasons - from national gun forums where I was universally attacked for being a Californian. Perhaps I need to start a new gun community, one for pro-gun Democrats, and other open-minded pro-gunnies.

M. D. Van Norman
11-12-2008, 9:42 AM
Actually, itís a pretty good strategy, if the Democratic Party wants to keep winning elections.

GaryPowersLives
11-12-2008, 9:44 AM
Because they are standing in line waiting for the Obama hand outs to start...


I've already mailed my December car and mortgage bills to BHO.

Grakken
11-12-2008, 9:56 AM
Again, a not-so-sublte insult directed at Democrats. FYI, I am a Democrat. I am vehemently Pro 2A. However, I am growing weary of fighting for these rights, within a group that hates me so much. I originally came to CalGuns for similar reasons - from national gun forums where I was universally attacked for being a Californian. Perhaps I need to start a new gun community, one for pro-gun Democrats, and other open-minded pro-gunnies.

Im not trying to insult you but im trying to learn from you. You say you are vehemently pro gun but you voted for someone who is vehemently anti gun (and his VP is worse)? So its assumed you couldn't of voted for BHO based on his 2A stance. Why did you vote for him than (and others out there, same question)? What other topic of his made you trump your own stance on the 2A? It was obviously very important to you (this other topic/s) and i want to understand the other side here.

Rivers
11-12-2008, 10:16 AM
So we have Republicans who either voted for McCain or against Bush. And we have Democrats who largely voted for Obama. But what we don't have is any way to really identify the Dems who are pro-2A. The general Dem platform isn't kind to pro-2A causes so those who don't follow the party platform seem to live longer by staying under the radar of the Dem party leadership. The far Left liberals seem to gain power and prominence by advancing anti-2A legislation while the pro-2A Dems simply vote against those measures.

Where does that leave CalGuns membership? Maybe we need to quite tossing the baby out with the bath water. Just because someone isn't Republican or Libertarian doesn't mean he/she doesn't share our concerns and beliefs about protecting the 2A.

OK, we fully expect that Obama won't be kind to the 2A, despite his professed belief in it. If we get out with only gun show background checks for private-party transactions, we're OK. Any AWB should head to the courts and be reflected against those who voted for it. BHO is probably only a single term president since even Superman (or the Messiah) won't be able to fix the economy, end the wars and reduce taxes. Too many broken promises and baggage for a success in 2012. (This also would have applied to McCain had he won.)

So let's stop the in-fighting and focus on moving ahead with our own goals. If Obama or Congress starts with anti-2A projects, we deal with that too. But for now, most of our advancements are going to come through court decisions so let's concentrate on that.

hawk1
11-12-2008, 11:11 AM
I've already mailed my December car and mortgage bills to BHO.

Don't forget, any gas receipts you have are paid as well.

This lady thinks so;


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oddball
11-12-2008, 12:16 PM
So let's stop the in-fighting and focus on moving ahead with our own goals.

We already FAILED the first major part of moving ahead towards our goal.

It happened last Tuesday.

DedEye
11-12-2008, 3:59 PM
Yeah, Schumer is one of those dedicated anti's who we're never going to touch. I don't particularly care what he says.

How's that for silence?

Max-the-Silent
11-12-2008, 5:04 PM
Calgunners that voted for BHO are no different than Judas. They sold out for their own personal gains.

Prospective gain - I think many people voted for the guy because they're desperate, and after Schrub Bush J. H. Christ couldn't get elected on the Republican ticket.

Gator Monroe
11-12-2008, 5:20 PM
During Obamas second term and after his 4th SCOTUS nominee is approved and seated Heller will overturned and 2A will be revisited on a grand scale !

hawk1
11-12-2008, 5:21 PM
Prospective gain - I think many people voted for the guy because they're desperate, and after Schrub Bush J. H. Christ couldn't get elected on the Republican ticket.

Desperate for what? Change? :rolleyes: Or whatever that is to mean.

My opinion is President Bush did everything right after they knocked down the buildings. He took the fight to them on their soil in Iraq and the media/democrats never let go of that. Every move he made from then on to protect this country and take the fight to the enemy was said to be wrong.
I guess no reason to debate this all over again as it's now history. Time will ultimately prove if he was right.

forgiven
11-12-2008, 5:23 PM
Man, I can't stand Schumer. Why couldn't he and Billary been in the towers. Their so anti-America that it makes me want to puke.:84

Gator Monroe
11-12-2008, 5:28 PM
I would rather have all the Bush Failures than have had 4-6 attacks on our soil again ( Machine gun & grenade attack on an NBA game in northeast kills 38 not including 7 players 4 attackers and 9 security guards and staff and 3 Law Enforcement officers/ Expolsives laden limo kills 81 at Atlanta Airport, AMTRAC derailment kills 114 in New Mexico,Dirty Bomb kills 16 and shuts down Downtown Reno Nevada for 24 months ...

DedEye
11-12-2008, 5:33 PM
I would rather have all the Bush Failures than have had 4-6 attacks on our soil again ( Machine gun & grenade attack on an NBA game in northeast kills 38 not including 7 players 4 attackers and 9 security guards and staff and 3 Law Enforcement officers/ Expolsives laden limo kills 81 at Atlanta Airport, AMTRAC derailment kills 114 in New Mexico,Dirty Bomb kills 16 and shuts down Downtown Reno Nevada for 24 months ...

You have quite a vivid imagination.

sigsauer887
11-12-2008, 5:40 PM
During Obamas second term and after his 4th SCOTUS nominee is approved and seated Heller will overturned and 2A will be revisited on a grand scale !

Where did you buy your crystal ball from? Wouldn't happen to be from this auction?

http://cgi.ebay.com/200-MM-FENG-SHUI-MAGIC-CRYSTAL-BALL-200MM-Sphere-Glob_W0QQitemZ330285407816QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Gator Monroe
11-12-2008, 5:44 PM
You have quite a vivid imagination.

Thanx much ! and you are showing an openness to others potentiality for doing somthing other than setting themselves up for derision .:)

Gator Monroe
11-12-2008, 5:45 PM
Where did you buy your crystal ball from? Wouldn't happen to be from this auction?

http://cgi.ebay.com/200-MM-FENG-SHUI-MAGIC-CRYSTAL-BALL-200MM-Sphere-Glob_W0QQitemZ330285407816QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

It's called Remote Viewing (I'm not as adept at it as I am my stamp collecting ,yet)

N6ATF
11-12-2008, 11:22 PM
Guns aren't illegal. Only aliens are.

Actually, in Schumer's mind, all guns are illegal, and all aliens are not. :rolleyes:

tetris
11-13-2008, 7:38 AM
Actually, in Schumer's mind, all guns are illegal, and all aliens are not. :rolleyes:

We all know that "illegal guns" is code for "all guns" because they intend to make all guns "illegal". Sure, you will need some permit or whatever, but they don't plan on giving any of those out.

tetris
11-13-2008, 7:43 AM
Again, a not-so-sublte insult directed at Democrats. FYI, I am a Democrat. I am vehemently Pro 2A. However, I am growing weary of fighting for these rights, within a group that hates me so much.

I guess its just since the current Democratic party platform basically calls for banning all semiautomatic guns. That and CA Democrats go one step further, like Feinstein, and would like to ban all guns.

Since you are "vehemently pro 2A", perhaps it would make more sense to be independent/non-partisan, as I am? In my mind, it always makes more sense to evaluate each candidate on the merits, rather than blindly swearing allegiance to a party. The choice isn't between Democrat or Republican. Remember that something like 30% of voters now are independents.

MudCamper
11-13-2008, 8:27 AM
Im not trying to insult you but im trying to learn from you. You say you are vehemently pro gun but you voted for someone who is vehemently anti gun (and his VP is worse)? So its assumed you couldn't of voted for BHO based on his 2A stance. Why did you vote for him than (and others out there, same question)? What other topic of his made you trump your own stance on the 2A? It was obviously very important to you (this other topic/s) and i want to understand the other side here.

If I were a single issue voter, and the 2A was my only issue, then yes, a vote for McCain would have been a slightly better choice. But Iím not a single issue voter. Further, I donít think an anti-2A president will be able to do much damage given Heller, and the current pro-2A political climate across the country. And that factored heavily in my decision.

In fact, I am a Libertarian, and have been registered with the Libertarian Party most of my adult life. But this time, it was important enough to me to choose sides. We needed to get rid of the Republican control of the White House at all costs. Why? Letís look at what the Republican party has given us, not what they say they stand for, but what they have actually done, just in the last 8 years.

The War on Terror
The War in Iraq
The USAPATRIOT Act
The Military Commissions Act
The Department of Homeland Security
Bloated growth of government bureaucracy
Torture as policy
Direct attacks on the 1A, 4A, 5A, 6A, 9A, and 10A
Further mixing of religion and politics
Cronyism and incompetence
Corporate welfare
The largest ever deficit and national debt

Since you are "vehemently pro 2A", perhaps it would make more sense to be independent/non-partisan, as I am? In my mind, it always makes more sense to evaluate each candidate on the merits, rather than blindly swearing allegiance to a party. The choice isn't between Democrat or Republican. Remember that something like 30% of voters now are independents.

As I've just pointed out, this is in fact where I have stood. But this time around, I stood with the Democrats. And further, I think it's time to stop standing on the sidelines, which is what registering as a Libertarian or "decline to state" is. I believe that we need to change the Democratic Party from within, and help them see that the 2A is as important as all our other liberties. I believe that helping the Democratic party become more "Blue Dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Democrat)" will be more helpful to 2A rights over time, than voting for the Republican party, which tramples on almost all of my beliefs except the 2A.

MrLogan
11-13-2008, 8:52 AM
Again, a not-so-sublte insult directed at Democrats. FYI, I am a Democrat. I am vehemently Pro 2A. However, I am growing weary of fighting for these rights, within a group that hates me so much. I originally came to CalGuns for similar reasons - from national gun forums where I was universally attacked for being a Californian. Perhaps I need to start a new gun community, one for pro-gun Democrats, and other open-minded pro-gunnies.

You may be pro-gun, but your elected representatives are not. How are you going to change that?

MudCamper
11-13-2008, 8:57 AM
You may be pro-gun, but your elected representatives are not. How are you going to change that?

And yours are? I don't know about you, but I've voted for the losing guy (or gal) in almost every election on every level of government my entire life. I live in a sea of green/hippie/lefty/crazy.

jacques
11-13-2008, 9:14 AM
And yours are? I don't know about you, but I've voted for the losing guy (or gal) in almost every election on every level of government my entire life. I live in a sea of green/hippie/lefty/crazy.

NY has it even worse than we do. There is not much else they can really do except face reality.

There are large areas of California that are predominantly more conservative than the hippies you speak of. In this state, it does not matter what is going on at a national level because this state has it much worse than the rest of the country. California is way too slanted to the left. The only way to change that is to get rid of the leftists politicians. With a little redistricting, this could help a lot.

Hans Gruber
11-13-2008, 10:27 AM
If I were a single issue voter, and the 2A was my only issue, then yes, a vote for McCain would have been a slightly better choice. But Iím not a single issue voter. Further, I donít think an anti-2A president will be able to do much damage given Heller, and the current pro-2A political climate across the country. And that factored heavily in my decision.

In fact, I am a Libertarian, and have been registered with the Libertarian Party most of my adult life. But this time, it was important enough to me to choose sides. We needed to get rid of the Republican control of the White House at all costs. Why? Letís look at what the Republican party has given us, not what they say they stand for, but what they have actually done, just in the last 8 years.

The War on Terror
The War in Iraq
The USAPATRIOT Act
The Military Commissions Act
The Department of Homeland Security
Bloated growth of government bureaucracy
Torture as policy
Direct attacks on the 1A, 4A, 5A, 6A, 9A, and 10A
Further mixing of religion and politics
Cronyism and incompetence
Corporate welfare
The largest ever deficit and national debt



As I've just pointed out, this is in fact where I have stood. But this time around, I stood with the Democrats. And further, I think it's time to stop standing on the sidelines, which is what registering as a Libertarian or "decline to state" is. I believe that we need to change the Democratic Party from within, and help them see that the 2A is as important as all our other liberties. I believe that helping the Democratic party become more "Blue Dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Democrat)" will be more helpful to 2A rights over time, than voting for the Republican party, which tramples on almost all of my beliefs except the 2A.

+1000, you are a mind reader sir.

yellowfin
11-13-2008, 10:33 AM
The Patriot Act would have come under donkey party rule, only it would be directed at us instead of ostensibly at terrorists. (According to them, we are.) I think that was a terrible gift Bush should not have given them that has horrid potential for misuse. If they claim to be opposite of him they should repeal it ASAP...but watch what they do. They like the power grab more than anyone.

Gator Monroe
11-13-2008, 10:43 AM
And yours are? I don't know about you, but I've voted for the losing guy (or gal) in almost every election on every level of government my entire life. I live in a sea of green/hippie/lefty/crazy.

In my county & area of Ca. I have wone far far more in all elections than I have lost voting GOP (La Malfa,Herger,Ahnold,Neilson, State Senate,State Reps,US Congress...)

jacques
11-13-2008, 12:51 PM
If you look at Cali results here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25362662/race/president

you can see that as far as land mass is concerned, it is about 50-50. The districting is what is killing it. This map actually brought some hope for the future to me.

Omega13device
11-13-2008, 12:59 PM
This is exactly the kind of infighting the anti-gunners love to see. How many have already pointed out that infighting in the GOP is a big part of the problem? It makes more sense to stay on point and stick together and agree that we will have differences of opinion on certain things along the way. That's life, get used to it.

Also it's pointless (and factually incorrect) to say "you voted for Obama, therefore you're to blame for any anti-gun legislation coming down the road." The president just signs the bills into law, it's the congress that makes the law, and voting for Obama didn't cause all those Republicans to lose their senate and house seats. If anything really pushed the election firmly into the democrats hands it was the crumbling of the economy. Up until mid/late-September it was pretty close.

grammaton76
11-13-2008, 2:16 PM
Again, a not-so-sublte insult directed at Democrats. FYI, I am a Democrat. I am vehemently Pro 2A. However, I am growing weary of fighting for these rights, within a group that hates me so much. I originally came to CalGuns for similar reasons - from national gun forums where I was universally attacked for being a Californian. Perhaps I need to start a new gun community, one for pro-gun Democrats, and other open-minded pro-gunnies.

There already is one - guntards.net.

Be warned, they don't like us much. They feel that Calgunners, and particularly the moderation staff, are a bunch of hate-spewing bigots overdosed on religion and intent on banning only liberals for trolling.

But, guntards is a good place for the liberal-leaning folks who don't like getting counter-arguments here. Guntards folks consider the conservative-dominated environment in Calguns noxious (I don't see it), and I consider the liberal-dominated environment on Guntards to be equally noxious (they don't see it). I'm personally of the opinion there's a good market for both forums. Heck, before Treelogger left I was trying to talk him into creating a comparable environment.

DedEye
11-13-2008, 2:34 PM
There already is one - guntards.net.

Be warned, they don't like us much. They feel that Calgunners, and particularly the moderation staff, are a bunch of hate-spewing bigots overdosed on religion and intent on banning only liberals for trolling.

But, guntards is a good place for the liberal-leaning folks who don't like getting counter-arguments here. Guntards folks consider the conservative-dominated environment in Calguns noxious (I don't see it), and I consider the liberal-dominated environment on Guntards to be equally noxious (they don't see it). I'm personally of the opinion there's a good market for both forums. Heck, before Treelogger left I was trying to talk him into creating a comparable environment.

I thought Guntards was a Brady front blog?

ETA: Nevermind, I had it confused with "GunGuys."

Hopi
11-13-2008, 2:35 PM
There already is one - guntards.net.

Be warned, they don't like us much. They feel that Calgunners, and particularly the moderation staff, are a bunch of hate-spewing bigots overdosed on religion and intent on banning only liberals for trolling.

But, guntards is a good place for the liberal-leaning folks who don't like getting counter-arguments here. Guntards folks consider the conservative-dominated environment in Calguns noxious (I don't see it), and I consider the liberal-dominated environment on Guntards to be equally noxious (they don't see it). I'm personally of the opinion there's a good market for both forums. Heck, before Treelogger left I was trying to talk him into creating a comparable environment.

Holy Crap! I didn't even know about that place......I just visited and found Glen Avon over there!!!!

Also found a few members that I don't miss all that much.....

MudCamper
11-13-2008, 2:43 PM
There already is one - guntards.net.

Be warned, they don't like us much. They feel that Calgunners, and particularly the moderation staff, are a bunch of hate-spewing bigots overdosed on religion and intent on banning only liberals for trolling.

But, guntards is a good place for the liberal-leaning folks who don't like getting counter-arguments here. Guntards folks consider the conservative-dominated environment in Calguns noxious (I don't see it), and I consider the liberal-dominated environment on Guntards to be equally noxious (they don't see it). I'm personally of the opinion there's a good market for both forums. Heck, before Treelogger left I was trying to talk him into creating a comparable environment.

Interesting. I'd never seen that. However, after just a bare cursory glance, it is quite clear that they lean quite farther to the left than CalGuns leans to the right. And I do not consider myself left-leaning by any stretch. Regardless, it looks like it might make some interesting reading. Thanks for the reference.

Heck, before Treelogger left I was trying to talk him into creating a comparable environment.

There is a current an active (recently returned) "Treelogger" over there now. However, they are not accepting any new registrations, so I'm already done with them before I started.

grammaton76
11-13-2008, 3:02 PM
Holy Crap! I didn't even know about that place......I just visited and found Glen Avon over there!!!!

Also found a few members that I don't miss all that much.....

Feel free to tell 'em I sent you. But if you wanna be welcome, tell them I chased you there and then turned away once you reached their refuge. :)

Seriously though, I'm glad there's a liberal/progressive gun forum. Their guys can discuss things like evangelism efforts on democratic underground and dailykos without folks attempting to argue about the other parts of their agenda.

grammaton76
11-13-2008, 3:06 PM
Interesting. I'd never seen that. However, after just a bare cursory glance, it is quite clear that they lean quite farther to the left than CalGuns leans to the right. And I do not consider myself left-leaning by any stretch. Regardless, it looks like it might make some interesting reading. Thanks for the reference.

No problem. You may want to consider PM'ing 'simonov' - he's the admin over there, and does read over here periodically.

I share your thoughts on their leanings, but it's kind of amusing that they seem to consider themselves a more center-left board and think that we're far-right.

Once in a while, I find it amusing to read through there. Not to paint them with the same brush, but I read their forum for laughs about as often as I read Stormfront for laughs (perhaps 2x/yr). Reading some extreme views in other camps of gun owners helps one appreciate how civil and centered Calguns really is, comparably.

There is a current an active (recently returned) "Treelogger" over there now. However, they are not accepting any new registrations, so I'm already done with them before I started.

Hmm, he's back over here? Surprising, but not unwelcome.

Kind of annoys me if Guntards stopped accepting new registrations, though. They're on the right track with having a liberal gun board, and to derail the train at this point just plain sucks.

MudCamper
11-13-2008, 3:25 PM
Kind of annoys me if Guntards stopped accepting new registrations, though. They're on the right track with having a liberal gun board, and to derail the train at this point just plain sucks.

I emailed simonov, and he said it was closed because of spam registrations, and he can't be bothered to upgrade. He offered to register me, but I'm not interested in joining a dieing community.

grammaton76
11-13-2008, 3:31 PM
I emailed simonov, and he said it was closed because of spam registrations, and he can't be bothered to upgrade. He offered to register me, but I'm not interested in joining a dieing community.

Geez-o-flip. If it's that bad, he should've just flipped the switch to 'reg required'.

Either that or another leftie needs to step up to the plate and create another site to do what Guntards could've and should've been: a left-leaning gun site dedicated to correcting the anti-gun leaning of the left wing from the inside.

Jim40
11-13-2008, 4:05 PM
"Undocumented" guns ;) "Illegal" is not PC :rolleyes:

Right you are sir. So I guess that I should stop using the phrase "drug dealers" and start calling them "undocumented pharmacists."
:D

Gator Monroe
11-13-2008, 5:45 PM
I emailed simonov, and he said it was closed because of spam registrations, and he can't be bothered to upgrade. He offered to register me, but I'm not interested in joining a dieing community.

survivors sks boards refugees could not save them ?

MudCamper
11-13-2008, 6:42 PM
survivors sks boards refugees could not save them ?

Don't know anything about that. But let me clarify, simonov replied again and said he wasn't letting the forum die. Although it's barely alive now, and with no clear registration, and the odd name, I have doubts about it.

End threadjack...

CalNRA
11-14-2008, 1:28 AM
Again, a not-so-sublte insult directed at Democrats. FYI, I am a Democrat. I am vehemently Pro 2A. However, I am growing weary of fighting for these rights, within a group that hates me so much. I originally came to CalGuns for similar reasons - from national gun forums where I was universally attacked for being a Californian. Perhaps I need to start a new gun community, one for pro-gun Democrats, and other open-minded pro-gunnies.

How much do Sonoma county Democrats support the 2nd these days?

BTW I don't see myself as a Republican per se so my comment was not partisan based.

MudCamper
11-14-2008, 2:13 PM
How much do Sonoma county Democrats support the 2nd these days?

I've gotten quite a few into shooting sports, and got many to join the NRA. Beyond that I have no idea.

trinydex
11-14-2008, 4:49 PM
The Department of Homeland Security


why do people always say something about this? do people even know what the department of homeland security is or does?

Gator Monroe
11-14-2008, 4:54 PM
why do people always say something about this? do people even know what the department of homeland security is or does?

Lately they prevent Arabs from attacking our homeland ?:confused:

hawk1
11-14-2008, 5:38 PM
You guys sure hijacked this thread...:threadjacked:

:kest:

trinydex
11-14-2008, 5:54 PM
Lately they prevent Arabs from attacking our homeland ?:confused:

the department of homeland security is a combination of immigration and customs plus some other entities. these are all institutions that existed before 911... it's not something new, the only new part is that they reside under one roof in hopes that cross communication is better these days.

it's not some secret agent world wide spy service that listens in on your phone calls and beats brown people on the street. that's called the nsa and the cia.