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blackbox
11-08-2008, 9:59 PM
If you've got http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy in your cache, then save it out now*, the above page has been taken down! (along with the rest of his detailed agenda). Perhaps they realized it was giving away too much of the plan?

* put your browser in offline mode, then open the above link and save it.

Annie Oakley
11-08-2008, 10:03 PM
You mean that's the only one they took offline ? I think thats a good thing. I think we (gun owners) got to them. :D

hawk1
11-08-2008, 10:04 PM
What? He's got nothing to hide...;)

RomanDad
11-08-2008, 10:04 PM
Wow.... I "hoped" for a "Change" and Obama delivered!

blackbox
11-08-2008, 10:05 PM
Hmm, google cache still has it:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:IcYml6GIwSAJ:change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/+change.gov+urban&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

And here's an interesting report of a change in wording on the "mandatory national service" : http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194853.php

This changing/removing of information is going to turn into a big story.....

M. Sage
11-08-2008, 10:15 PM
You mean that's the only one they took offline ? I think thats a good thing. I think we (gun owners) got to them. :D

It's possible. I'm too cynical to bet on it, though. :(

ETA: It's still on Obama's campaign site (http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/)!

Annie Oakley
11-08-2008, 10:22 PM
It's possible. I'm too cynical to bet on it, though. :(

ETA: It's still on Obama's campaign site (http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/)!

OMG, don't burst my bubble sage. A girl can always hope. :)

csmintel
11-08-2008, 10:23 PM
I think that this time people are just not gonna listen to his orders and do what they want. Everything he came up with in his aganda is s...t. I wouldn't follow....

sorensen440
11-08-2008, 10:25 PM
I hope this makes the news

RomanDad
11-08-2008, 10:29 PM
A few days ago, Obama got a visit from the guy with the big book entitled "The truth about how ****ed up the world really is- Crap you wont read about in the newspaper because if everybody knew about it, they'd be too afraid to live their lives."

Its a sobering and transforming moment for those ascending to the office. Now (hopefully) he will go from being Obama the frivolous Candidate, to Obama the serious president. He will learn WHY most of the crap he promised he'll never be able to deliver on.... And he'll begin distancing himself from that carefree fool who ran for the office. A lot of this crap, we'll never hear about again, and he'll hope his charm will make his supporters forget he ever promised it.

sorensen440
11-08-2008, 10:39 PM
and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.

I prefer what he had down before
"Mandatory 100 hours community service for college students"
lol it really shows his true colors

hoffmang
11-08-2008, 10:49 PM
Change I can believe in!

-Gene

Librarian
11-08-2008, 11:17 PM
I prefer what he had down before
"Mandatory 100 hours community service for college students"
lol it really shows his true colors
Interesting article about how that might work here (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/11/08/obamas-service-college-program-change-gov-promises-40-hour).
Space doesn't permit me to go into all of the mind-boggling distortions this would lead to, but here's a start (some information was obtained from the tables listed at this page at collegeboard.com):

* Administering the program will require a vast bureaucracy, including verifications that kids indeed attended eligible schools (full-time?), indeed did the service, didn't drop out as soon as their service was completed, etc., etc. This bureaucracy will almost certainly impose paperwork requirements on colleges, as well as charitable and government organizations, that can ill afford it.

* Roughly 60% of high-school grads go directly on to college. Let's estimate that this puts 8 million kids in college at any one time (I think the number is higher, but I can't prove it right now). If they are required to put in the service (that's what the site still says), the program would cost Uncle Sam $32 billion a year (8 million x $4,000).

* In the last fiscal year, the entire Department of Education spent $66 billion. This one program would expand the Department's budget by almost 50%, before adding a dime for administration.

* More practically, are there 800 million hours (8 million kids at 100 hours each) of meaningful community service work out there? Even if there is, how do you manage a program with the equivalent of almost 400,000 (corrected from 4 million earlier) full-time employees efficiently and effectively? Wal-Mart, which is I believe the nation's largest employer, has 2.1 million employees. (Ironic/never happen suggestion of the day: Maybe Uncle Sam should outsource program administration to Wal-mart. At least they might keep it under control).

As is sometimes said, "Good luck with that."

I also wonder about the 13th Amendment and required service (and yes, I wonder about that problem with the draft, too, but except for Charlie Rangel (shudder!) no one has proposed reinstating the draft.)

UPDATE with better numbers. The National Center for Education Statistics (http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2009/pesschools07/) has the info.

They don't split students out by grade but age vs Elementary/High School/College;
roughly the enrollments for 2007 were:

ages 12 - 19 in Elementary school as 'middle school', about 9 million (50 hours/year)
ages 13 - 21 in High school, about 17 million (100 hours/year)
ages 13 - 30 in College, about 13 million (100 hours/year)
Approximately 3,450,000,000 hours of 'service'; at 2,000 hours per year for full time, that's around 1,725,000 FTE.

JDay
11-08-2008, 11:21 PM
Looks to me more like they're just updating the site layout. Expect his agenda to be back by Monday, although it'll be modified.