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grammaton76
11-07-2008, 12:52 AM
So, since Bush is on the way out and has nothing left to lose...

...could he, by executive order, countermand some of the orders which Clinton left in place on gun importation? If so, is there anything we could do to petition him to do something good for the second amendment before he's out?

It's not like things are going to get any worse for him in public opinion for doing so.

CSDGuy
11-07-2008, 12:57 AM
An Executive Order can be issued to rescind an order issued by a previous President. Sure, Bush could do exactly that. What is to prevent Obama from reinstating an Executive Order that was just rescinded?

Tumerboy
11-07-2008, 5:34 AM
An Executive Order can be issued to rescind an order issued by a previous President. Sure, Bush could do exactly that. What is to prevent Obama from reinstating an Executive Order that was just rescinded?

And I seriously doubt recinding gun control orders would be a Bush priority in his last few days.

M. D. Van Norman
11-07-2008, 6:17 AM
After eight years, Iím surprised that anyone still thinks G. W. Bush supports the right to keep and bear arms in any real sense.

RomanDad
11-07-2008, 6:22 AM
After eight years, Iím surprised that anyone still thinks G. W. Bush supports the right to keep and bear arms in any real sense.

Yeah... After all, all he gave us was Alito and Roberts who were the key to the Heller decision.

M. D. Van Norman
11-07-2008, 6:49 AM
The Second Amendment got lucky on those choices. We could have had Harriet Miers.

George W. Bush could have done much, much more to protect and advance the right to arms with very little effort. Instead, he promised to sign a re-authorized ban on ďassault weapons.Ē

CCWFacts
11-07-2008, 7:00 AM
He could open up an amnesty window in the '86 MG ban, to allow a flood of new transferable MGs. That would be a great parting gift he could give us. Would there be any benefit from writing him a letter asking for that?

69Mach1
11-07-2008, 7:05 AM
Didn't the only thing Clinton do was to ban importation of guns/gun parts from China? Everything else is BATFE jurisdiction.

valleyguy
11-07-2008, 7:17 AM
Bush hasn't done anything during his presidency that I can recall that made me think he cared one whit about the average citizen, let alone the US gun owner. He's pretty much been all about war profiteering and pushing through anything that would make his oil friends rich.

nobs11
11-07-2008, 7:53 AM
I'm guessing that his parting shot is going to be to pardon some of his cronies. Clinton did that as well.

fairfaxjim
11-07-2008, 7:56 AM
Bush hasn't done anything during his presidency that I can recall that made me think he cared one whit about the average citizen, let alone the US gun owner. He's pretty much been all about war profiteering and pushing through anything that would make his STINKING RICH oil friends RICHER. And the rest of us way poorer

There, I fixed if for you! :mad:

I might add that if the Bush administration hadn't discounted and totally disrespected the US citizenry, we wouldn't even have this Obamination we are now stuck with.

hoffmang
11-07-2008, 8:09 AM
Yeah... After all, all he gave us was Alito and Roberts who were the key to the Heller decision.

And a hostile Solicitor General in Heller. It's not clear he's not a law and order type - rights be thrown under the bus...

-Gene

Biff...
11-07-2008, 8:10 AM
If he does one thing that will make me remember him forever, is pardon the two Border Patrol Agents "Ramos, Campeon".

hitman13
11-07-2008, 8:27 AM
If he does one thing that will make me remember him forever, is pardon the two Border Patrol Agents "Ramos, Campeon".
i agree!

nick
11-07-2008, 9:15 AM
If he does one thing that will make me remember him forever, is pardon the two Border Patrol Agents "Ramos, Campeon".

That'd make too much sense for it to really happen.

Kruzr
11-07-2008, 9:16 AM
I can't imagine what would make anyone think Bush will do something to help the 2nd Amendment cause. Let's not forget, this is the president who said more than once he would sign an AWB if Congress passed it.

Worse than that, he earned, IMO, the title of the most anti-gun president we ever had when he sent or did not prevent his Solicitor General to argue in favor of a handgun ban to the Supreme Court.

Bush is no friend to the firearm community.

Patriot
11-07-2008, 11:32 AM
An Executive Order can be issued to rescind an order issued by a previous President. Sure, Bush could do exactly that. What is to prevent Obama from reinstating an Executive Order that was just rescinded?

Obama isn't termed out, which means he is much more likely to be sensitive to political repercussions.

bohoki
11-07-2008, 11:36 AM
sure wish he would executive order allowing chinese model of 1911s and m14s

grammaton76
11-07-2008, 1:44 PM
Ok, so it seems established that he COULD do something.

Anybody figure it would make sense to start a letter writing campaign for some of the easier things?

1. Rescind Clinton's ill-considered ban on Chinese firearms (after all, Bush likes China in trade, yes?)
2. Pardon the border patrol agents.

I think the machine gun amnesty would be awesome, but it'd pretty much cause the other two more realistic goals to be thrown away I imagine.

Meplat
11-07-2008, 1:57 PM
Bush hasn't done anything during his presidency that I can recall that made me think he cared one whit about the average citizen, let alone the US gun owner. He's pretty much been all about war profiteering and pushing through anything that would make his oil friends rich.

:nuts:

GW
11-07-2008, 2:38 PM
He could open up an amnesty window in the '86 MG ban, to allow a flood of new transferable MGs. That would be a great parting gift he could give us. Would there be any benefit from writing him a letter asking for that?

Write the letter and find out! If an automatic weapon is your heart's desire then at least try. At the minimum you'll be able to say "At least I did something."

Go for it

rayra
11-07-2008, 2:59 PM
The Second Amendment got lucky on those choices. We could have had Harriet Miers.

George W. Bush could have done much, much more to protect and advance the right to arms with very little effort. Instead, he promised to sign a re-authorized ban on ďassault weapons.Ē

You know, this kind of ignorance just doesn't die. You simply don't know wth you are talking about.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act 2005
Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006

The first pulled the run out from under the gun-ban groups by blocking their attempts to bankrupt gun manufacturers and sellers with lawsuits.

THe second specifically enjoins the sort of firearms confiscation that happened post-Katrina.

AND appointing two of the 5 judges that voted to uphold Heller.

Three MAJOR developments yet blinkered fools keep sneering at George Bush claiming he didn't do anything for gun owners.

rayra
11-07-2008, 3:00 PM
Bush hasn't done anything during his presidency that I can recall that made me think he cared one whit about the average citizen, let alone the US gun owner. He's pretty much been all about war profiteering and pushing through anything that would make his oil friends rich.

Here's another uninformed fool, spouting the libertarian-socialist line against McChimpyBu****ler.

CCWFacts
11-07-2008, 3:01 PM
Write the letter and find out! If an automatic weapon is your heart's desire then at least try. At the minimum you'll be able to say "At least I did something."

I certainly wouldn't say it's my heart's desire. I'm more excited about a beautiful over-under, or an M1A with a nice wood stock. But maybe I'll go ahead and write the letter.

rayra
11-07-2008, 3:05 PM
There, I fixed if for you! :mad:

I might add that if the Bush administration hadn't discounted and totally disrespected the US citizenry, we wouldn't even have this Obamination we are now stuck with.


Here's another libertarian-socialist who doesn't have an inking about the difference between gross profit and profit margin. Just can't stand anyone (besides himself) being wealthy.
Do you have any idea what the average profit margin is for business? And how oil company profit margins compare? Do you not realize that many other industries make a far greater profit margin than oil companies? And that a great deal of that profit is necessarily spent on exploration, research and development of new oil sources that we MUST have? And that their profit is already subject to tax, just like anyone else's?

Truly, the folks going rabblerabble about oil comapny profits don't have the first damned clue about real economics. They should be ASHAMED of their easily-manipulated ignorance.

rayra
11-07-2008, 3:10 PM
Heh. Anheuser-Busch has a profit margin comparable to Exxon's. Is Budweiser Evil? Should THEY receive a punitive Windfall Profits Tax / Fine?

http://www.theonlineinvestor.com/stock_research/top_10_profit_margins/

CCWFacts
11-07-2008, 3:30 PM
Write the letter and find out! If an automatic weapon is your heart's desire then at least try. At the minimum you'll be able to say "At least I did something."

Go for it

Ok here is my letter:

Dear President Bush,

I'm writing to you to ask you to make one parting gift to gun owners of the United States. The recent Heller ruling was great, but there's one more thing we need.

As you may know, Ronald Reagan signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) in May of 1986. It was a good bill, but, at the very last moment (around midnight), Democrat William J. Hughes inserted an amendment that banned new machine guns from being entered into the National Firearms Act (NFA) registry. By doing this, the pool of transferable, civilian-owned machine guns was frozen in May of 1986.

This has resulted in these collectors' weapons becoming rare and expensive. It has resulted in problems for the motion picture industry. It has resulted in big problems for security contractors who guard high-value targets like nuclear reactors, but can't get full-auto weapons that would be ideal for this duty. It has resulted in difficulties training military contractors, because they can't train with normal full-auto weapons. The ban has infringed the rights of all of us, and has done nothing to prevent crime. NFA-registered machine guns are basically never used in crime, because they are owned mainly by collectors.

I'm asking you to do one thing: order the Secretary of the Treasury to declare a 90-day amnesty period during which unregistered machine guns can be entered into the registry. The FOPA bill has a provision for amnesty periods during which unregistered machine guns may become registered. No such amnesty has ever been declared, but now is the time to do it. Please use the last part of your administration to give Americans one final gift: open up an amnesty, to allow new registrations for the first time in 22 years. You know that our next president will be the most anti-gun president in history. Giving us a registration amnesty would be a great way to show support for gun owners in the upcoming difficult period for us.

Meplat
11-07-2008, 4:55 PM
Wow! I thought AB was doing better than that. Oil companies only have like a 4-5 percent profit margin.:eek:




Heh. Anheuser-Busch has a profit margin comparable to Exxon's. Is Budweiser Evil? Should THEY receive a punitive Windfall Profits Tax / Fine?

http://www.theonlineinvestor.com/stock_research/top_10_profit_margins/

jaymz
11-07-2008, 6:52 PM
Finally! Somebody that realizes that Bush is not the jackhole that everybody says. Constantly whining about the crappy liberal media, yet believing everything that they say about him. And on the subject of profit margins.........anybody ever think about the SICK money that the movie studios rake in? Nobody's cryin' about that.

JohnJW
11-07-2008, 7:01 PM
sure wish he would executive order allowing chinese model of 1911s and m14s

C'mon guys, let's try to buy firearms made in a free country. If we are going to go into debt let's at least borrow money from country that are not actively trying to compete with us militarily.

Banning guns and ammo from China is actually something that I support.

valleyguy
11-07-2008, 7:07 PM
Heh. Anheuser-Busch has a profit margin comparable to Exxon's. Is Budweiser Evil? Should THEY receive a punitive Windfall Profits Tax / Fine?

http://www.theonlineinvestor.com/stock_research/top_10_profit_margins/

If you had drank a Bud lately, you'd agree Budweiser was quite evil, peddling that swill and passing it off as real beer.

Btw, keep the personal attacks down. You're welcome to your own opinion, or to shoot down anyone else's, but the name calling is uncalled for, I believe it's a condition of being on the boards. No personal attacks.

Btw, the profit margin being so slim doesn't really matter that much when you're the only game in town and are swimming in money. Rest assured the oil sheiks who are buying entire islands and Airbus 380s aren't bit*hing about the margin. It's not about the margin, it's about the size of the business and the overall net profit being brought in. If you could do a trillion dollars of business and make 3%, wouldn't you do that instead of a billion dollars at 20%? You make more overall with the former. And profits made at a lower margin can be reinvested in higher margin industries (like construction of oil infrastructure at the taxpayer's expense because of a war Bush pushed us into instead of fighting the real threat in Afghanistan), no? So crunch on those economics, Milton Friedman.

You need to wake up. I guess you voted for Bush, and don't want to admit you got fooled. This country is in the dumper, gone backwards for 8 years, government has ballooned in size, the economy is crap, and the world hates us - meanwhile, all of Bush's friends have got rich, and all because he fooled you into thinking he was an actual Republican. If you were a real conservative, you'd be ashamed of what we've become, what we've spent on Iraq and foreign aid, how huge government is (much bigger than it ever was under Clinton or Reagan), the rights we've lost, and how far from traditional conservatism the Republicans have strayed. Right now, Nixon is looking like a knight in shining armor compared to Bush, and Clinton's pardon fiasco is a forgettable afterthought.

JohnJW
11-07-2008, 7:11 PM
Here's another libertarian-socialist who doesn't have an inking about the difference between gross profit and profit margin. Just can't stand anyone (besides himself) being wealthy.
Do you have any idea what the average profit margin is for business? And how oil company profit margins compare? Do you not realize that many other industries make a far greater profit margin than oil companies? And that a great deal of that profit is necessarily spent on exploration, research and development of new oil sources that we MUST have? And that their profit is already subject to tax, just like anyone else's?

Truly, the folks going rabblerabble about oil comapny profits don't have the first damned clue about real economics. They should be ASHAMED of their easily-manipulated ignorance.

Wow! Pro-Bush but Anti-Palin. You do have an interesting political view.

383green
11-07-2008, 8:22 PM
Finally! Somebody that realizes that Bush is not the jackhole that everybody says.

Two words: "Patriot Act".


Worst. President. Ever.

bohoki
11-07-2008, 8:37 PM
1. Rescind Clinton's ill-considered ban on Chinese firearms (after all, Bush likes China in trade, yes?)
2. Pardon the border patrol agents.
.


yea i always wanted them to make the strip of border like the area 51

just turn it over to them and have them put up their lethal force authorized signs
they are so quick with their white trucks
when some looney wants to climb the hill looking for flying saucer parts

Mulay El Raisuli
11-08-2008, 5:33 AM
C'mon guys, let's try to buy firearms made in a free country. If we are going to go into debt let's at least borrow money from country that are not actively trying to compete with us militarily.

Banning guns and ammo from China is actually something that I support.


If there were another source aside from China, I'd be with you. But, since China is all we got, China is who we should buy from. Besides, more important than who sells is who receives. Which would be us.

The Raisuli

M. Sage
11-08-2008, 10:26 AM
1. Rescind Clinton's ill-considered ban on Chinese firearms (after all, Bush likes China in trade, yes?)


So did Clinton. He just hated guns.

M. D. Van Norman
11-08-2008, 7:47 PM
You know, this kind of ignorance just doesnít die. You simply donít know wth you are talking about.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act 2005
Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006

Ö

AND appointing two of the 5 judges that voted to uphold Heller.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is bad law, however good the reason behind it. Instead, I would have liked to have seen tort reform more broadly and equitably considered. Regardless, this came out of the Congress without any particular urging from the President, as I recall.

The Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act is utterly meaningless. It gives us nothing and will stop nothing.

Heller was a lucky break for us. Iím glad for the decision, but it was far from a great one. Enough of that history has already been discussed in this thread.

yellowfin
11-08-2008, 8:02 PM
Any chance he could repeal the Hughes Amendment?

G17GUY
11-08-2008, 8:50 PM
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N6ATF
11-08-2008, 11:44 PM
If he were to write any executive orders in the waning days, I don't expect any good would come of them.

A fitting last EO would be: Burn it (the Constitution in the White House). Burn it to the ground.

Shotgun Man
11-09-2008, 12:53 AM
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A fitting last EO would be: Burn it (the Constitution in the White House). Burn it to the ground.

I think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. did that in their first month in office.

Meplat
11-09-2008, 8:42 AM
So, none of this is perfect or exactly as it would have been if you were king. But it's all good and would never have happened under BHO or Algore. It is truly sickening and stunning what the big lie can do when repeated over and over and over and over by 90% of the media.:mad:



The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is bad law, however good the reason behind it. Instead, I would have liked to have seen tort reform more broadly and equitably considered. Regardless, this came out of the Congress without any particular urging from the President, as I recall.

The Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act is utterly meaningless. It gives us nothing and will stop nothing.

Heller was a lucky break for us. I’m glad for the decision, but it was far from a great one. Enough of that history has already been discussed in this thread.

Meplat
11-09-2008, 8:47 AM
It is disgusting what comes slithering out from hiding when the darkness falls.

weezil_boi
11-09-2008, 9:03 AM
If he does one thing that will make me remember him forever, is pardon the two Border Patrol Agents "Ramos, Campeon".

+1 ... AND recognize them as national heros.

M. D. Van Norman
11-09-2008, 3:08 PM
So, none of this is perfect.Ö But itís all good and would never have happened under BHO or Algore.Ö

Did I say any of that?

George W. Bush campaigned for election with a promise to sign a re-authorized ďassault-weaponsĒ ban, yet somehow he was welcomed as the pro-RKBA messiah. Then, for eight years, he did next to nothing to advance the Second Amendment beyond further regulation.

Where the **** was he on Sept. 12th? Department of Homeland Security!? Bull****! Homeland security was already written into the Constitution. All he had to do was enforce it.

N6ATF
11-09-2008, 11:56 PM
I think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. did that in their first month in office.

They needed it for holding cursed rituals over the whole time. :TFH: