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acheron800
11-05-2008, 6:34 PM
My main choice right now is a PTR 91 Paratrooper model...but also looking into a FAL...

What would be the pros and cons of these, and any others that you may recommend?

Thanks

ghost
11-05-2008, 6:47 PM
m14/m1a
ak
ar

lioneaglegriffin
11-05-2008, 6:48 PM
My main choice right now is a PTR 91 Paratrooper model...but also looking into a FAL...

What would be the pros and cons of these, and any others that you may recommend?

Thanks

FAL

and....

:xeno:

jtv3062
11-05-2008, 6:50 PM
M14/m1a

jyo
11-05-2008, 6:52 PM
Well, I don't have any experence with a PTR 91, but the FAL is outstanding! Pros: parts and mags everywhere---low low recoil---easy to mount a scope (slide-on top cover) and for California, stripper clip top loading---a truly great rifle---jyo

forgiven
11-05-2008, 6:53 PM
M1A or FAL

IH8CALAWS
11-05-2008, 7:11 PM
FAL

Bongos
11-05-2008, 7:38 PM
Original Battle Rifle is the FAL
G3 and M14 are great choices

AR and AK are consider AW not Battlerifles, then again that's what us old school old timers think...

Pred Thumper
11-05-2008, 7:56 PM
Original Battle Rifle is the FAL
G3 and M14 are great choices

AR and AK are consider AW not Battlerifles, then again that's what us old school old timers think...

Could you explain the difference? Thanks

nic
11-05-2008, 7:58 PM
Original Battle Rifle is the FAL

Right after the Garand, of course :)

aplinker
11-05-2008, 8:45 PM
Could you explain the difference? Thanks

AW is a select fire weapon using a mid-range cartridge for intermediate distances (0-400m).

A battle rifle is a heavy duty cartridge for shots to 800m.

The big advantages of an AW are controllability (esp FA), lightweight, maneuverable, and you can carry lots of ammo.

A battle rifle packs a punch while it can reach out and touch someone. It's really more often limited by accuracy (most are 3MOA rifles) than it is by the effective range of the cartridge (usually the 800-1000m figure).

-hanko
11-06-2008, 6:17 AM
Could you explain the difference? Thanks
Bigger bullets;)

In order, I'd opine FAL, m14/m1a, ptr. FAL has better ergo's and more commonly available & less expensive parts.

And search, the question has been asked a bit.

-hanko

Max-the-Silent
11-06-2008, 6:23 AM
My main choice right now is a PTR 91 Paratrooper model...but also looking into a FAL...

What would be the pros and cons of these, and any others that you may recommend?

Thanks


If you want a working tool, get a standard configuration M1A so you can use detachable mags.

If you want a piece for recreational shooting, get either the HK clone or a FAL clone.

Pred Thumper
11-06-2008, 6:42 PM
Roger that ... I was thinking that maybe it meant that an AW was not worthy of taking it into "battle." Thanks for that clarification

Capt. Speirs
11-06-2008, 7:07 PM
M1A

C.G.
11-06-2008, 7:52 PM
I am a bit partial, FAL for me. Or better yet, an AR-10. :)

ersatz
11-06-2008, 8:22 PM
M1A mostly because of price, otherwise a FAL.

GM4spd
11-06-2008, 8:50 PM
FAL

http://www.fototime.com/314CF05454EC875/standard.jpg

Frijolito1988
11-06-2008, 8:53 PM
My CETME

acheron800
11-06-2008, 8:58 PM
My CETME

Wheres your f/s thread?

wildcard313
11-06-2008, 10:28 PM
I am a bit partial, FAL for me. Or better yet, an AR-10. :)

FAL all the way.

Oh please dont call the AR-10 a battle rifle. If you have to drag a 50 gallon barrel around to make sure your gun works it cant be called a battle rifle.

They are great target rifles though.

a1fabweld
11-06-2008, 10:38 PM
PTR for me! I have a DSA FAL, SA M1A, DPMS AP4 .308, & 2 PTR's & I personally like the PTR the most. I personally can shoot it better than any of my other .308/7.62's. I like the ergonomics contrary to others here. MAgs are dirt cheap too! They just rock right out of the box IMO!

1lostinspace
11-06-2008, 10:42 PM
If I had to pick one rifle it would be an AK 74 or 47

Frijolito1988
11-06-2008, 10:44 PM
Wheres your f/s thread?

What ?

M. Sage
11-06-2008, 10:53 PM
The FAL rocks. I love 'em.

Original Battle Rifle is the FAL
G3 and M14 are great choices

AR and AK are consider AW not Battlerifles, then again that's what us old school old timers think...

AR and AK are considered assault rifles, AW is a made-up term. :p

The FAL is following in footsteps: SVT-38, SVT-40, G41, G43, Ljungmann, FN49... not to mention the M1 Garand and BM-59. Dunno if I'd call it the "original" battle rifle. ;)

Frijolito1988
11-06-2008, 11:10 PM
I think one of the original battle rifles would be the Garand along with the g43 and variants

M. Sage
11-06-2008, 11:51 PM
Could you explain the difference? Thanks

A battle rifle fires a high power cartridge like 8x57mm, 7.62x54R mm, .30-06, 7.62x51mm, etc. A sub-machine gun fires a handgun cartridge like 9x18, 9x19, .45ACP etc. An assault rifle bridges the gap, firing an intermediate cartridge, originally 8mm kurz, later 7.62x39mm and 5.56x45mm. Technically, an assault rifle must also be a select fire weapon, and usually a carbine (short-ish and light rifle). A subgun can be select fire or full-auto only, and battle rifle can be semi-auto only or select fire; both the M14 and FAL were fielded in either configuration.

professionalcoyotehunter
11-07-2008, 4:55 PM
Mauser 8mm Yugo.

BigKevLA
11-07-2008, 5:00 PM
M1A

C.G.
11-07-2008, 5:35 PM
FAL all the way.

Oh please dont call the AR-10 a battle rifle. If you have to drag a 50 gallon barrel around to make sure your gun works it cant be called a battle rifle.

They are great target rifles though.

Huh?:confused: Aside from serving in wars and in armies listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10_Battle_Rifle
it is being used by Canadians in Afghanistan right now with no reported problems.

GW
11-07-2008, 6:11 PM
M1A
'cuz accuracy and reliability matter!

odysseus
11-07-2008, 6:27 PM
Hard to go wrong with the m1a\m14 clone. Lots of parts and modifications, advice, solid proven platform that takes abuse and is simply a blast to shoot. Scout squad type builds with 18" barrels are very nice. If you were some of us lucky ones from before 2000, you also have access to a lot of hicap magazines that of course are also legal everywhere else right now too should you go shooting there.

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HeyZeus
11-07-2008, 6:33 PM
A FAL

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/pbcHeyZeus/100_0883.jpg

wooger
11-07-2008, 6:38 PM
I'm partial to FAL myself.

Fantasma
11-07-2008, 6:44 PM
AK/AR only real choices.....IMO

.454
11-07-2008, 6:59 PM
Fusil Automatique Legere.

The gun designer who made the FAL - Dieudonne Saive was taught by John Moses Browning himself...if that means something for you. The gun was adopted by largest number of military forces in the free world and would be in service even today if it wouldn't be so expensive to manufacture. There is a lot of machining and labor involved in making the finest semiauto battle rifle ever designed. Damn the cheapo sheet metal rifle crap!


P.S. Again, AK and AR are considered Assault Rifles not Battle Rifles.

elSquid
11-07-2008, 7:03 PM
Huh?:confused: Aside from serving in wars and in armies listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10_Battle_Rifle
it is being used by Canadians in Afghanistan right now with no reported problems.

As DMRs? Issue rifle is the C7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Canada_C7_rifle).

-- Michael

Standard
11-07-2008, 7:13 PM
I'm partial to the CETME/PTR 91/G3 type rifles myself.
But FAL and M1A are awesome too.
Can't really go wrong, IMO.

Frijolito1988
11-07-2008, 7:22 PM
AK/AR only real choices.....IMO

Those are Assault rifles,

we are talking about Battle rifles LOL

JohnJW
11-07-2008, 7:26 PM
My main choice right now is a PTR 91 Paratrooper model...but also looking into a FAL...

What would be the pros and cons of these, and any others that you may recommend?

Thanks

I think it's hard to beat the AR10 for value if you want to stay with .308. M1A is nice, but then getting M1As to shoot well will require quite a bit more money than the AR10. G3 family and FAL family are nice, but they also tend to be heavier and harder to mount a scope on. CLAW mounts for the G3 is quite expensive and I don't particular like the dust over type of FAL scope mounts. If you want a handy rifle without the hassle of OLL then I think a 16" barrel M1A is a good choice.

X-NewYawker
11-07-2008, 7:27 PM
Want to topload?

FAL or FAL Clone. DS ARMS 58:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/DSaRMSFN.jpg

Want to change magazines?

M1-A. Seen here entry level standard model.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/_MG_5347.jpg

X-NewYawker
11-07-2008, 7:29 PM
BTW, you said rifleor combat -- out of box neither weapons requires an outlay of money to be accurate "enough" for social work. If you want to shoot over 300 yards, get a different kind of gun.

Pred Thumper
11-07-2008, 9:26 PM
OK I saw the Military Channel show on future weapons and I agree it has to be the 6.8 AR weapon system.... any takers?

X-NewYawker
11-07-2008, 9:29 PM
OK I saw the Military Channel show on future weapons and I agree it has to be the 6.8 AR weapon system.... any takers?

Only if YOU are buying my ammo.

Pred Thumper
11-07-2008, 9:41 PM
The ammo is not that expensive for the punch IMHO ... I mean if I just want to send lead down range then my 5.56 should be good... but once I lock down (sight in) the 6.8 its just waits for the day :) with a little freshing up from time to time of course ...know what I mean

Ford8N
11-08-2008, 5:43 AM
To me it would depend on your budget and personal preferences.

M1A's I've seen for sale start at $1000++. Over all more accurate but not my kind if rifle. No pistol grip therefore not very ergonomic to me. Very "pc" at the range. It won't scare the Fudd's.


FAL's are around $800. Not as accurate but who has that good of eyes to tell the difference at 200 meters. Cheap parts and mags. You can convert to a "single shot" faster than I can type this sentence. So it's easy to go from California legal to Nevada legal in seconds. I don't like to load it though. I don't like strippers or load thru the ejection port. I've heard some one has made a "bullet button" but have not read the reviews yet.

G3's are kinda expensive. North of $1000 for a Greek or PARS import. Although you can pick up a Century or an aluminum abortion receiver gun cheap. PTR's look good but I would inspect before buying. If you buy G3 go quality. Very cheap magazines. It can have a "bullet button" mag release like the AR system. So if you are used to the AR the G3 is similar.

socomIInato
11-08-2008, 3:09 PM
all are good, but for out of box accuracy you can`t beat the G3 system. It`s versatile and can fill many roles. there are many accessories from paratroop stocks to 22 lr conversion kits. all available to adapt rifle to your needs. try to find one of those liscense built greek models. only down side is you have to learn to overcome it`s trigger pull. not as good as other rifle mention.

LIFEWITHOUT
11-09-2008, 3:02 PM
You can put together two or three Fal's for the cost of one M1A, the Fal has an adjustable gas port, therefore it will never stop running, the gas piston and op rod are the same piece, and the pistol grip enables you to pick up targets more efficiently. plus it looks like a MACHINEGUN, and has less recoil than theM1a. The PTR's pronounced recoil will make accurate followups more difficult, and the tigger is abysmal. All three are great rifles, M1a a close second to the Fal.

hnoppenberger
11-09-2008, 7:05 PM
FAL=FAIL


lol jk

M. Sage
11-09-2008, 9:07 PM
As DMRs? Issue rifle is the C7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Canada_C7_rifle).

-- Michael

I can't really think of any countries off the top of my head that still issue battle rifles as their main infantry arm. Certainly no countries that are actually in the 21st century. It's all about the assault rifle.

a1fabweld
11-09-2008, 9:33 PM
You can put together two or three Fal's for the cost of one M1A, the Fal has an adjustable gas port, therefore it will never stop running, the gas piston and op rod are the same piece, and the pistol grip enables you to pick up targets more efficiently. plus it looks like a MACHINEGUN, and has less recoil than theM1a. The PTR's pronounced recoil will make accurate followups more difficult, and the tigger is abysmal. All three are great rifles, M1a a close second to the Fal.

Dude, your avatar displays a G3 but you rate it last on the list? There should be a FAL there.

C.G.
11-09-2008, 10:12 PM
As DMRs? Issue rifle is the C7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Canada_C7_rifle).

-- Michael

Actually, my bad, have to correct myself. The DMRs are the M110
SASSs not AR-10s, since KAC won the contract.