View Full Version : Here we go agin with lead based bullets!

11-04-2008, 5:41 PM
Lead in venison, Dems in white house and shakey congress.......
BISMARCK, N.D. — A North Dakota program that distributes venison to the needy will accept only deer killed with arrows, fearing that firearm-shot meat may contain lead fragments.

"We're calling out to bow hunters to spend a little more time in the tree stand," said Ann Pollert, executive director of the North Dakota Community Action Partnership, which administers the Sportsmen Against Hunger Program.

Officials in North Dakota and other states have warned about eating venison killed with lead ammunition since the spring, when a physician conducting tests using a CT scanner found lead in samples of donated deer meat.

The findings led North Dakota's health department to order food pantries to throw out donated venison. Some groups that organize venison donations have called such actions premature and unsupported by science.

The North Dakota Community Action Partnership distributed 17,000 pounds of venison from 381 donated deer after last year's hunting season, a number that has tripled since the program began in North Dakota in 2004, Pollert said. At least 4,000 pounds of venison were in food pantries in the state when the health department issued its warning, she said.

Pollert said her group had been waiting on findings from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has been studying potential health risks for people who eat venison killed with high-velocity ammunition.

The results of the federal study were expected last month but have been delayed. North Dakota's deer season opens Friday.

"We had to make a decision," Pollert said.

A draft report has been completed but it has not been releaserved.


Enjoy (not:()

11-04-2008, 6:00 PM
How about they get no venison distribution? How do they like them apples?

11-04-2008, 6:38 PM
How about they get no venison distribution? How do they like them apples?

Sounds good to me!

11-04-2008, 6:51 PM
They should ban themselves!

11-04-2008, 6:58 PM
The hypocrisy would be funny, if it wasn't so sad. Reminds me of how Section 8 housing here has to be held to the highest standards possible, resulting in less housing for the poor (whom it's designed to help, right?), and the standards they enforce are far beyond what most of us (who aren't poor)have in our houses/apartments.

I say we get lead-weighted arrows :)

11-05-2008, 10:51 AM
Have there been any studies to see what the potenetial for contamination is?

How do they feel about hormones, antibiotics, fecal allowances and genetic bio engineering in the domestic animals we consume?
It's about the guns.

11-05-2008, 5:18 PM
Have there been any studies to see what the potenetial for contamination is?

How do they feel about hormones, antibiotics, fecal allowances and genetic bio engineering in the domestic animals we consume?
It's about the guns.

I don't know if that is entirely true in North Dakota... Lead and Mold are the current versions of the Asbestos scare of the 70's and 80's. I pay an employers environmental tax because I use lead in my business. I have worked with lead for years, no health problems... But I don't eat it or stand over the lead pot inhaling fumes...

Lead that is consumed can have a detrimental affect on your health. But I do not believe that the amount you'd get in one piece of meat will do harm, unless there is so much lead in it that it's like chewing a mouthful of Milk Duds. I have eaten plenty of duck taken with lead shot, when I encounter a pellet, I spit it out... Seems simple to me.

11-05-2008, 8:54 PM
they should shoot them with lead tips on the arrow.:43:

11-06-2008, 9:51 AM
painted with lead based paint.

11-06-2008, 10:58 AM
As surely they can't just dump the meat in the landfill (I hope), I could find room for some of it in my freezer.

11-06-2008, 11:55 AM
a lot of people are going to go hungry this year as a result of those do gooder a-hats.

Let people have the option of eating it or not, given the choice between going hungry and having some small lead fragments to eat around, I suspect I know the choice they'll make.

11-06-2008, 12:23 PM
pfft, I've eaten at a McDonald's before, I've had worse

11-06-2008, 12:48 PM

Ammunition goes green at Lake City plant


The Kansas City Star

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A limited run of lead-free ammunition was assembled in October at the Lake City ammunition plant. Go to KansasCity.com for video of production at the plant.

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On a recent day in Independence, a below-the-radar event occurred that figures to affect the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

An employee inside a huge government factory pushed a “buggy,” a low-riding wheelbarrow filled with thousands of new rifle cartridges, toward an inspection area. Other employees and visitors crowded around.

The cartridges were made of brass casings assembled with propellant charges and projectiles, or slugs. The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence produces millions of such 5.56 mm cartridges every day for weapons that are carried by U.S. military forces.

But the employees attending this loading operation at Lake City knew these cartridges were different. “This is the ‘green ammunition,’ ” said Bill Melton, a Lake City Army consultant. These were cartridges without lead projectiles.

The recent manufacture of lead-free cartridges represented an evolutionary shift for Lake City, the largest producer of small-arms ammunition used by the U.S. military. The slugs, instead of being made of lead — a metal used for centuries — now are being manufactured with a bismuth alloy. That alloy has a density roughly equivalent to lead but without lead’s toxicity.

The lead-free cartridges assembled in October were part of an initial 600,000-round test sample of green ammunition headed for the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland for evaluation.

This month, Lake City employees will begin producing the first order of 20 million rounds of lead-free cartridges.

The cartridges still will have to pass muster in ongoing evaluations, but they could be delivered by January to U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. “What I try to tell the work force here is that they almost have an effect on global stability and the global economy,” said Lt. Col. Christopher Day, the U.S. Army’s plant commander at Lake City.

Ammunition manufacturers know lead to be malleable and comparatively inexpensive. But lead also is toxic. “The military is looking to preserve its ability to train in the context of increasing environmental regulation,” Melton said. “The Army wanted to be able to continue live-fire training exercises without restriction. “That’s the reason for going to a lead-free round.” Within the ammunition-manufacturing universe, the conversion represents a vast retooling.

The ammunition produced at Lake City includes 5.56 mm cartridges used in the M-16 rifle, M-4 carbine and M-249 machine gun. The traditional lead-projectile cartridges still being manufactured at the approximately 4,000-acre complex represent the basic unit of foot-soldier combat.

Further, the plant’s defense role has grown in the last decade. Since the mid-1990s, production has rocketed from between 300 million and 400 million rounds a year to perhaps 1.4 billion.

“Every single soldier, sailor, airman or Marine who goes out of a combat outpost in Iraq or Afghanistan goes out with something that we make here,” Day said.

There’s also the effect on the local economy. Lake City is the largest employer in Independence. Its work force, which numbers 2,550, has jumped almost 300 percent from 650 employees eight years ago.

“There have been times over the last five or six years when the spotlight was pretty hot on the plant to produce,” said Karen Davies, vice president and general manager at the government-owned facility, operated since 2000 by Alliant Techsystems.

Operators say the transition to green ammunition — combined with a seven-year, $240 million modernization — positions Lake City well for the long term.

The lead-free cartridges will display the same performance as cartridges with lead, Day said. In fact, the new M855 LFS is expected to include some improvements.

A suppressant will eliminate the muzzle flash that can give away the shooter’s position.

11-06-2008, 1:06 PM
Damn, I'd love to have that cart in my garage.

11-06-2008, 3:02 PM
There is a neat Lake City 5 minute video as a part of the news article.

May have to follow URL then click the video link. Link in quote doesn't work.

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11-06-2008, 6:09 PM
A suppressant will eliminate the muzzle flash that can give away the shooter’s position.

Neat. I wonder when that'll become surplus :)

11-06-2008, 6:27 PM
I used this part of the link to get the video:

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