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dieselnut
01-24-2017, 8:59 AM
My press doesn't seem to be timed/indexed correctly. I think the detents are too far clockwise for the shell plate(s). I tried the hornady help line but he only told to adjust the pawl set screws on the bottom. If i set it to index "correctly" the shell plates (#10 for 40s&w, and #16 for 223/300 blackout) are not in a detent and I can't get it to not bind up when operating.

I can't get 40 s&w, 223, or 300 blackout to load into it without having to tilt the neck of a case into station 1.

Anybody else have this issue?

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peekay331
01-24-2017, 9:03 AM
Is it a new press?

If old press, the detents on the ram may be dirty. Take the shell plate off. You'll see the small detents. Clean them out thoroughly.

Then on your shell platr, make sure the little balls are clean.

dieselnut
01-24-2017, 9:59 AM
I bought it October 2016. I tried cleaning the detent balls and no change.

Psychbiker
01-24-2017, 10:12 AM
Is it lubed up on all the zirc fittings?

Those pawls take a 1/16th turn at a time to make noticeable changes. I'd try again in small amounts and cycle it a dozen times. Nothing looks bent.

baih777
01-24-2017, 10:15 AM
Play with the detents more. 1/16 the of an turn at a time. If its not going forward enough, it may be the detent touching to early and stopping it. Be careful. When not right you can snap the tip off. If it ever binds don't force it. Once you get it right. Its like clock work.
Location ?

Boris_LA
01-24-2017, 10:17 AM
Left pawl to adjust the low ram position (Primer seating), right pawl to adjust the up ram position (dies).

acoop101
01-24-2017, 10:45 AM
You can adjust the pawls that index the press, they are on the base of the RAM and are a ware part that needs to be adjusted through out the their life.

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dieselnut
01-24-2017, 10:55 AM
Talked with another hornady help line person today. After 20 minutes of adjusting the pawls on the phone with him, he was also convinced the indexing was off. The shell plate is supposed to be in a detent hole so no matter how much I adjusted the pawls the shell plate would not line up with the dies while in a detent.

baih777
01-24-2017, 1:15 PM
here is a pic of my timing pawl's . maybe some help.

also check the star on the bottom of the ram. make sure nothing is bent.

Michael in California
01-24-2017, 2:50 PM
Hornady video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLXVQX5ADK0

76Highboy's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usnV7DRyg9w

Also, where do you live? Someone close might be able to help or, at least, compare presses.

dieselnut
01-24-2017, 3:27 PM
I'm in manteca. It's not the pawls because after you move the ram up slightly the pawls are done rotating the shell plate. I took the 2 set screws off of the ram for the shell plate base and rotated it to centered it (eye ball) and the screw holes for the base are off center.

First picture with set screw in. Die is off center.
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Second and third picture lined up with die, set screw hole is off center
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Don't know why my photos got rotated. I used the tapatalk camera feature instead of uploading photos.

dieselnut
01-24-2017, 3:44 PM
I'm not sure if that could be a problem or not but it is something haha
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Michael in California
01-24-2017, 5:56 PM
Did you try a different shell plate?

dieselnut
01-24-2017, 7:28 PM
Did you try a different shell plate?
Yes it is the same problem with both shell plates. #10 and #16.

mrh1282
01-24-2017, 9:50 PM
I'm in manteca. It's not the pawls because after you move the ram up slightly the pawls are done rotating the shell plate. I took the 2 set screws off of the ram for the shell plate base and rotated it to centered it (eye ball) and the screw holes for the base are off center.

First picture with set screw in. Die is off center.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170125/c52765e1a42374cb99b7d791bf16cbc3.jpg

Second and third picture lined up with die, set screw hole is off center
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170125/75ed380424500c0b8ee9428a6379d382.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170125/7955c59e0d1506ab064315bf296c4a5b.jpg

Don't know why my photos got rotated. I used the tapatalk camera feature instead of uploading photos.



I'm in Tracy. Been using LNL press for couple years maybe I can come by and give a look. Second set of eyes maybe I might see something.


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elpaisa1
01-25-2017, 5:32 AM
Sell it and buy a dillon.

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Michael in California
01-25-2017, 5:56 AM
Yes it is the same problem with both shell plates. #10 and #16.

My bad, I see that in your initial post now.

Michael in California
01-25-2017, 6:02 AM
If you can't spin the shellplate by hand and have it index correctly using multiple shell plates, some part is out of tolerance. Either the ram is mis-drilled, or the shell plate carrier (have no ideathe correct part names).

Call Hornady back and ask them for proper course of action. They should be helpful if you can accurately explain your problem. My initial guess is they will send you a new shell plate carrier as its the easiest to replace.

If for some reason they won't, I can send you my old-style carrier to test with. This one doesn't have the new style case eject, but its not necessary for testing.

Michael in California
01-25-2017, 6:03 AM
I'm in Tracy. Been using LNL press for couple years maybe I can come by and give a look. Second set of eyes maybe I might see something.



That is a kind offer. If you go, take your press for comparison.

baih777
01-25-2017, 7:27 AM
OP,
you stated the pawls are disengaged before the plate is in position.
that's your problem. they are adjusted too low.

you need to raise them so that it disengages right before shellplate gets into postion. my left pawl is .230 high and the left .222 high.
raise them to at least .010 close to my height and adjust by 1/4 turn or 1/8 turn increments. adjust one side at a time. you may need to back and forth between the two when you get close.
you go to high then it will over travel the shellplate.
those parts are designed to break away to prevent damage to the major componets.
mine came this way also when new. took me a week to learn how to adjust.

as far as your poorly machined part. I would take pictures and open a warranty claim with Hornaday and send the pics.

if your priming arm for the primer feeder doesn't work smoothly, post again. I have a fix for that also.

dieselnut
01-25-2017, 8:11 AM
OP,
you stated the pawls are disengaged before the plate is in position.
that's your problem. they are adjusted too low.

you need to raise them so that it disengages right before shellplate gets into postion. my left pawl is .230 high and the left .222 high.
raise them to at least .010 close to my height and adjust by 1/4 turn or 1/8 turn increments. adjust one side at a time. you may need to back and forth between the two when you get close.
you go to high then it will over travel the shellplate.
those parts are designed to break away to prevent damage to the major componets.
mine came this way also when new. took me a week to learn how to adjust.

as far as your poorly machined part. I would take pictures and open a warranty claim with Hornaday and send the pics.

if your priming arm for the primer feeder doesn't work smoothly, post again. I have a fix for that also.
Hornady is sending a new sub plate. The pawls are fine because it catches the detent and doesn't over travel or under travel the shell plate. The primer system works fine.

BigBronco
01-25-2017, 9:08 AM
Hornady is sending a new sub plate. The pawls are fine because it catches the detent and doesn't over travel or under travel the shell plate. The primer system works fine.

Are you saying the primer goes in to the case just fine? If so your timing cannot be off.

dieselnut
01-25-2017, 10:18 AM
Are you saying the primer goes in to the case just fine? If so your timing cannot be off.
Then the the die openings are machined off center.

Michael in California
01-25-2017, 11:51 AM
Hornady is sending a new sub plate. The pawls are fine because it catches the detent and doesn't over travel or under travel the shell plate. The primer system works fine.

Hopefully this will do it. It does concern me that the primer system works fine. That would imply the die holes are possibly out of spec insted of everything below.

Never heard of anyone else ever having this problem.

dieselnut
01-26-2017, 4:23 PM
I compared presses with mrh1282 and mine is definitely off somewhere. Hopefully a new sub plate fixes it. If that doesn't I'm going to ask hornady to exchange the press.

mrh1282
02-12-2017, 10:34 AM
What ever happen with the press. Any better?


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dieselnut
02-13-2017, 1:18 PM
What ever happen with the press. Any better?


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Sent the press to hornady, they should receive it tomorrow and take a look at it. They asked me to send some brass and the sizing die with it.

MontClaire
02-13-2017, 1:22 PM
Awwwww....the pleasure and joy of constantly adjusting and aligning your progressive press....It'll take some tweaking over time. Patience is a virtue.

dieselnut
02-13-2017, 1:46 PM
Hopefully I'll get it back and actually be able to use it without tilting my cases to fit

TexasJackKin
02-13-2017, 4:41 PM
Yes, please keep us informed, It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

dieselnut
02-17-2017, 7:31 AM
Got an email from hornady today saying my press is shipping back to me. I called and asked what was wrong with the press and what they did to fix it because the email didn't say anything about being repaired or not. The frame was bent and/or machined incorrectly because it was bent. The representative told me no adjustment could have fixed the press. I'm excited to get a working press.

mrh1282
02-19-2017, 7:17 AM
Got an email from hornady today saying my press is shipping back to me. I called and asked what was wrong with the press and what they did to fix it because the email didn't say anything about being repaired or not. The frame was bent and/or machined incorrectly because it was bent. The representative told me no adjustment could have fixed the press. I'm excited to get a working press.



That's awesome. Glad they were able to see the problem too.


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baih777
02-19-2017, 11:29 AM
Got an email from hornady today saying my press is shipping back to me. I called and asked what was wrong with the press and what they did to fix it because the email didn't say anything about being repaired or not. The frame was bent and/or machined incorrectly because it was bent. The representative told me no adjustment could have fixed the press. I'm excited to get a working press.

WOW.

dieselnut
02-23-2017, 8:35 PM
Got the press back today. Works as I expected it should now. I appreciate hornady standing behind their products. I'll post pics tomorrow.

packnrat
02-24-2017, 11:54 AM
the ammo plant can be a itch to get working. (learning curve mostly), but when it works it is like butter.

good to hear hornady fixed the problem, as yes there customer service is great. and so is rcbs's. not sure about the rest. :oji:

load up and have fun.


note when the plastic part on top of the wire cam for the priming system breaks look here first

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hornady-LNL-AP-Reloading-Press-Primer-Cam-Wire-Bracket-upgrade-aftermarket-BLACK-/222139335242?hash=item33b889424a:g:q48AAOSw1DtXJCw C


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dieselnut
02-24-2017, 4:33 PM
Lined up square now
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/f23cff2214e9eb91b62f6511384ffe41.jpg

And my easy-made cover to hopefully keep the rust away. I just sewed the neck of an old shirt closed together.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/a7b509a07f9085d27f16de2c88aac29b.jpg

junior40er
02-25-2017, 9:35 AM
i like your shirt idea, imma steal it.

JonW
03-06-2017, 6:08 PM
i like your shirt idea, imma steal it.

Maybe just a pillow case?


OP - good to hear Hornady stands behind the press. I just ordered a LNL AP and am looking forward to getting started with it.

The video series on Youtube by "76Highboy" covers a lot of troubleshooting and tweaking of the LNL press. While the vids are a bit slow to watch, they give good insight into what to do when you do come across something that needs adjustment.

dieselnut
03-06-2017, 7:25 PM
Maybe just a pillow case?


Good idea

croue
03-06-2017, 7:49 PM
A RED pillow case - natch!