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kentomatic
11-01-2008, 7:30 PM
i just bought a savage 10fp in .308. this is my second rifle after my ar build and my first bolt action rifle. i'm planning on mostly just shooting paper at ~200 yards, and i need to get a scope and rings, what do you guys recommend on a budget? i'd like to keep it around $200 if possible, but if that's not doable, let me know what you think, thanks!

a1fabweld
11-01-2008, 7:38 PM
Bushnell 3200, Burris Fullfield, Nikon Buckmaster. All are respectable with a lifetime warranty.

Greenspartan117
11-01-2008, 7:49 PM
Yeah I'm going to second aifabweld's suggestions as well, the Bushnell 3200 mildot 10x40 is a good model, lots of people have it and are very satisfied, Burris and Nikon make great products as well.

for rings on a budget, look at the Burris Xtreme tactical rings. I have a set and they are nice and get the job done. They should cost you about $50. SWFA has them as well as Optics Planet.

Greenspartan117

X-NewYawker
11-01-2008, 8:02 PM
Leupold Vari-X II 6-18X

jlh95811
11-01-2008, 10:38 PM
+1 on the Bushnell Elite 3200 series. I have one on my Tikka T3 lite .308
Also give a look into BSA Riflescopes. Believe it or not they work excellent. 500 rounds though my buddy's Remy 700 and still holding. Never had to be rezeroed :)

Oh and they are inexpensive too.

nobs11
11-01-2008, 10:38 PM
Leupold Vari-X II 6-18X

He said around $200. +1 on the Bushnell Elite 3200. Very underrated scopes.

FMJBT
11-01-2008, 11:13 PM
Leapers Accushot 3-12x44 is an option too. I have one on my AR-10 that I regularly shoot at 500+ yards. I'm at about 700 rounds through the rifle now, and have never had a shift in zero. Resolution is decent, probably comprable with Bushnell 3200 series or low end Leupold.

I have the Bushnell 3200 10x40 mil dot mounted on my AR-15 currently. It's also a great scope for the money. on the plus side, it's extremely rugged, and the adjustments are accurate and repeatable. It's fairly compact and lightweight, and the small objective allows for mounting very low. The only negative I have found with the scope is that any light that enters from the eyepiece side of the scope reflects off the backside of the reticle, making it hard to distinguish from the background and target.

nobs11
11-01-2008, 11:25 PM
Leapers Accushot 3-12x44 is an option too. I have one on my AR-10 that I regularly shoot at 500+ yards. I'm at about 700 rounds through the rifle now, and have never had a shift in zero. Resolution is decent, probably comprable with Bushnell 3200 series or low end Leupold.


Sigh. You did not just compare Leapers junk to Bausch & Lomb optics or a Leupold. The Leapers is an airgun rated scope. You got lucky. I'd buy a Mueller before I'd buy a Leapers. No offense.

hd0642
11-02-2008, 4:07 AM
another vote for the 3200 10X, i got mine off ebay for $125 using the live.com 30% off deal.

Omega13device
11-02-2008, 6:21 AM
I have a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 mildot on my 700 and the glass is as good as that on my $900 Leupold. The Nikon was about $250.

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 6:48 AM
Sigh. You did not just compare Leapers junk to Bausch & Lomb optics or a Leupold. The Leapers is an airgun rated scope. You got lucky. I'd buy a Mueller before I'd buy a Leapers. No offense.

You must not know allot about scopes an airgun rated scope mean it can handle allot of vibration, a spring powered airgun will release far greater vibration pulses then even a 50 cal.He did not get lucky I have one mounted on my 30-06 with over 1000 rounds still holds 0 I have another on my 20" AR and with my hand loads will group 1" at 300 meters. I dial in and out of ranges it has pasted the box test and has never lost 0.

It's always amazing for me to see how misinformed people are.
Leapers Accushot series are great scopes.
I would also recommend the TASCO super sniper it has a Navy contract on it so don't let the Tasco portion fool you it's a whole different animal, but on a budget go with the Leapers.

nobs11
11-02-2008, 7:30 AM
You must not know allot about scopes an airgun rated scope mean it can handle allot of vibration, a spring powered airgun will release far greater vibration pulses then even a 50 cal.He did not get lucky I have one mounted on my 30-06 with over 1000 rounds still holds 0 I have another on my 20" AR and with my hand loads will group 1" at 300 meters. I dial in and out of ranges it has pasted the box test and has never lost 0.

You are also the guy who sells Leapers scopes, aren't you? Leapers is what it is. Cheap chinese junk. Many moons ago when I was poor and in college I had one of those Chinese scopes installed on an Enfield. Didn't survive sight in. No person is in his right mind is going to recommend Leapers as a good optic. Find me one gunsmith or expert with a reputation who will recommend Leapers. I wasn't going to respond since you seem to be the resident village idiot, but if you are spreading around false information, I feel that people should counter that.

CSACANNONEER
11-02-2008, 7:46 AM
Sigh. You did not just compare Leapers junk to Bausch & Lomb optics or a Leupold. The Leapers is an airgun rated scope. You got lucky. I'd buy a Mueller before I'd buy a Leapers. No offense.

WOW! I would never consider putting a Leapers on any of my guns but, specially NOT an airgun! I have optics onseveral guns airguns and two 50BMG rifles. Both, spring piston airguns and large caliber rifles with efficient muzzle breaks are extremely hard on optics. INHO, any airgun rated scope is built to withstand more shock than a regular scope.

Now, to share something with the OP. For many generations, it has been a commonly accepted fact that they best way to go about building a gun with optics is to: Buy the cheapest rifle that is capable of shooting as percise and as accurate (two different things) as you want it and then, put as much money as you can into good optics. Really, I think you are going about your build the wrong way. It may work for you (I'm cheap and I've done the same thing with good results) but, you will not get the maxium performance from your rifle and you may end up buying a second scope. I would highly recomend staying FAR AWAY from the low end optics like NC Star, Leapers, etc. and instead, at least going with a Bushnell Elite, or even a Simmons. I've had good luck with the few Simmons Scopes I own but, they are mounted on rimfires.

nobs11
11-02-2008, 7:58 AM
WOW! I would never consider putting a Leapers on any of my guns but, specially NOT an airgun! I have optics onseveral guns airguns and two 50BMG rifles. Both, spring piston airguns and large caliber rifles with efficient muzzle breaks are extremely hard on optics. INHO, any airgun rated scope is built to withstand more shock than a regular scope.


I will admit I did not consider spring piston airguns. I was going off of a review I read on an airsoft/airgun webpage.

bombadillo
11-02-2008, 8:00 AM
where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it. I've been looking and scott @ liberty is well priced at $319 shipped. Then you have to buy rings. I would love to source one out that cheap. I'd also look into the vortex line of scopes. Even american rifleman threw that on a .30-06 stevens 200 and said it was a really nice scope for the money ($129) I've heard nothing bad and warranty seems to be really good for all the vortex stuff. You may not get all the sniper goodies with it, but for what it is, I'd shoot for a vortex.

nobs11
11-02-2008, 8:02 AM
where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it.

Ultout.com used to sell new (not refurbs) for $190. The 6500 series was $800+ elsewhere, but they had it for less than $650. I picked up a few scopes from them but the site seems to be down now.

tankerman
11-02-2008, 8:08 AM
Ultout.com used to sell new (not refurbs) for $190. The 6500 series was $800+ elsewhere, but they had it for less than $650. I picked up a few scopes from them but the site seems to be down now.
Also keep an eye on the SWFA, Sample List;
http://www.samplelist.com/

goober
11-02-2008, 8:25 AM
where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it. I've been looking and scott @ liberty is well priced at $319 shipped. Then you have to buy rings. I would love to source one out that cheap. I'd also look into the vortex line of scopes. Even american rifleman threw that on a .30-06 stevens 200 and said it was a really nice scope for the money ($129) I've heard nothing bad and warranty seems to be really good for all the vortex stuff. You may not get all the sniper goodies with it, but for what it is, I'd shoot for a vortex.

Riflegear (http://www.riflegear.com/c-13-rifle-scopes.aspx) has them for $180

Ballistic043
11-02-2008, 8:28 AM
lots of talk about airgun scopes here. dont want to stray too O/T, but anyone reccomend a good quality airgun scope, for under 80.00?

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 8:29 AM
You are also the guy who sells Leapers scopes, aren't you? Leapers is what it is. Cheap chinese junk. Many moons ago when I was poor and in college I had one of those Chinese scopes installed on an Enfield. Didn't survive sight in. No person is in his right mind is going to recommend Leapers as a good optic. Find me one gunsmith or expert with a reputation who will recommend Leapers. I wasn't going to respond since you seem to be the resident village idiot, but if you are spreading around false information, I feel that people should counter that.

I am a Leapers dealer, I am not selling him you or anyone else anything.
Leapers Accushot series are great scope for the money period.Chinese junk lol how long have you had your Accushot series? lol exactly.
Like I said if you want to go with a name brand that all the so called experts will approve go with Super Sniper series, half of these guys have no clue what an MOA is or how to use mildots for range estimation adjusting wind and elevation, yet alone be able to hit movers at range.
What ever you do get a scope that has Mark type dials on it, here is a pic of my AR with my so called Junk leapers scope on it.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/ar15reloader/100_0655-1.jpg



this group was done at 200 meters .76" 75grHNDY 25.1gr Varget Win case CCI400 primer



http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/ar15reloader/IMAGE_00131.jpg

here is the scope but don't ever buy one they are junk! :cool:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/ar15reloader/scp3-832aomdl-a-m-update-3.jpg

rksimple
11-02-2008, 9:06 AM
Bushnell 3200 10x mildot. More reliable and cheaper than the super sniper. I think Scott at Liberty Optics had them for like 175 shipped. When I first started with precision rifles, I had one on a savage 10fp with a B-Square base and Weaver quad lock rings. It worked well. That scope has enough internal elevation to get a 308 to 1k without a canted base. Here's a pic of the old girl:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_0009.jpg

The Bushnell 3200 is a tried and true scope. I did a little under 500 rounds in 5 days with it here (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=328651#Post328651), plus another 5k or so rounds in between competition and running the knobs up and down in the desert. It never missed a beat. And all of my adjustments were realible, no wandering, and always returned to zero. You may save some money initially by buying a cheaper, no-name optic, but it will cost in the long run. Being able to trust an optic is worth more than many know.

On another topic, try to get set up for reloading if you're not already.

Wildhawk66
11-02-2008, 9:10 AM
where are you guys finding the bushnell elite 3200 with mil dot for sub 200 or even close to it. I've been looking and scott @ liberty is well priced at $319 shipped. Then you have to buy rings. I would love to source one out that cheap. I'd also look into the vortex line of scopes. Even american rifleman threw that on a .30-06 stevens 200 and said it was a really nice scope for the money ($129) I've heard nothing bad and warranty seems to be really good for all the vortex stuff. You may not get all the sniper goodies with it, but for what it is, I'd shoot for a vortex.

Just bought a Bushnell 3200 10x40 this morning using the MSN Live 25% money back feature and ebay. Shipped, insured, out the door for $131.96.

hd0642
11-02-2008, 9:22 AM
Just bought a Bushnell 3200 10x40 this morning using the MSN Live 25% money back feature and ebay. Shipped, insured, out the door for $131.96.

yep what he said - it just came back up, they had taken it off for the past week or so. i was able to get mine with a 30% reduction.

Darklyte27
11-02-2008, 9:37 AM
I personally have a Super sniper. 312$ shipped. Its pretty nice!
After reading 1lostinspace's post, I will look into that leapers scope.
How much are they going for and where can I get one?

thanks

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 10:02 AM
I personally have a Super sniper. 312$ shipped. Its pretty nice!
After reading 1lostinspace's post, I will look into that leapers scope.
How much are they going for and where can I get one?

thanks

An Accushot will run anywhere from $185 to $$280 but sounds like that Bushnell is the way to go they are good scopes and from the sounds of it cheap.

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 10:04 AM
Bushnell 3200 10x mildot. More reliable and cheaper than the super sniper. I think Scott at Liberty Optics had them for like 175 shipped. When I first started with precision rifles, I had one on a savage 10fp with a B-Square base and Weaver quad lock rings. It worked well. That scope has enough internal elevation to get a 308 to 1k without a canted base. Here's a pic of the old girl:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/rksimple/IMG_0009.jpg

The Bushnell 3200 is a tried and true scope. I did a little under 500 rounds in 5 days with it here (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=328651#Post328651), plus another 5k or so rounds in between competition and running the knobs up and down in the desert. It never missed a beat. And all of my adjustments were realible, no wandering, and always returned to zero. You may save some money initially by buying a cheaper, no-name optic, but it will cost in the long run. Being able to trust an optic is worth more than many know.

On another topic, try to get set up for reloading if you're not already.

I know this guy knows his stuff and $175 shipped is probably the best bang for your buck

jandmtv
11-02-2008, 10:10 AM
How many times do I have to say this.....Friends don't let friends buy Leapers!

Maybe I should add that to my sig line!

Darklyte27
11-02-2008, 10:14 AM
haha alright ill take a look at that too! thanks
ps it would be a scope that goes onto my new stag 6L

nobs11
11-02-2008, 10:15 AM
After reading 1lostinspace's post, I will look into that leapers scope.
How much are they going for and where can I get one?


I also know this Nigerian royal family member who will double your money.

Save your money. If you want a low end scope, buy one that is well known and tested like a Bushnell or a Nikon. I can't believe that those Leapers scopes are $180+ You can buy a Buckmaster or an Elite for that money as has been said earlier. Don't believe the Leapers dealer. You won't find a single person without a vested interest recommending Leapers. Talk to any serious shooter or gunsmith anywhere in the world. But it's your money.

dchang0
11-02-2008, 10:17 AM
Now, I wouldn't buy a Leapers either, but we should note that companies can and do improve over time. I remember when D-Link wireless routers were total crap, and nowadays, they're actually better than Linksys and Netgear, especially the D-Link DIR-655. Someone else around here pointed out that UTG has come a long way, from designed-for-airsoft stuff to firearms-quality stuff.

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 10:17 AM
How many times do I have to say this.....Friends don't let friends buy Leapers!

Maybe I should add that to my sig line!

yeah you have the Accushot series and tested it?

what ever I give up mount what ever you want on your gun.
Would i mount the old the old type leapers scopes no I would not, the Accuseries is a different animal like the super sniper is from Tasco, we all know Tasco scopes suck but the Super Sniper version is great well the Accuseries is there version of the SS that's all nothing more nothing less.

jmlivingston
11-02-2008, 10:21 AM
I'm certainly not an optics guy, but I do have an NC-Star mounted on an M44 and I can tell you it's very, very, cheaply made. It definately falls into that category of "Chinese Junk". I also have a Leapers Accushot on my OLL, and while I won't compare it to my Bushnell mounted on my Stevens 200, the Leapers is definately several big steps up from the NC-Star.

nobs11
11-02-2008, 10:22 AM
yeah you have the Accushot series and tested it?

what ever I give up mount what ever you want on your gun.
Would i mount the old the old type leapers scopes no I would not, the Accuseries is a different animal like the super sniper is from Tasco, we all know Tasco scopes suck but the Super Sniper version is great well the Accuseries is there version of the SS that's all nothing more nothing less.

Here is an analogy for you. If you buy a higher end Hyundai, they are supposed to be okay cars but will cost the same as a European or US car. Would I buy the Hyundai if I had to pay the same amount of money? Heck no.

Why would someone buy a Leapers with a shady reputation even if it as good as what you say (which I really doubt) when you can buy a better, tested, quality low/mid end scope for the same price range?

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 10:25 AM
I'm certainly not an optics guy, but I do have an NC-Star mounted on an M44 and I can tell you it's very, very, cheaply made. It definately falls into that category of "Chinese Junk". I also have a Leapers Accushot on my OLL, and while I won't compare it to my Bushnell mounted on my Stevens 200, the Leapers is definately several big steps up from the NC-Star.

I had a Nc star on my gun and here is what happen.

I go to dial in at 500 meters according to my ballistic data and the bullet falls about 15" short, I was like WTF? I figured out that it states 1/8 MOA adjustments but is really 1/4 I called in and they had no Idea what was going on, after a while the front plastic or glass broke:eek:
I sent it back they sent another it broke to and this is off a .223 round:cool:
They are complete junk. Leapers Accushot series might not be the best but far better then any Chines made and most US made scopes for the money.

Like I said before that Bushnell sounds like a good deal

nobs11
11-02-2008, 10:27 AM
Now, I wouldn't buy a Leapers either, but we should note that companies can and do improve over time. I remember when D-Link wireless routers were total crap, and nowadays, they're actually better than Linksys and Netgear, especially the D-Link DIR-655. Someone else around here pointed out that UTG has come a long way, from designed-for-airsoft stuff to firearms-quality stuff.

Wrong analogy. Chipsets are made by the same or similar manufacturers. There are only so many companies in the world that make the internals of what commodity computer hardware is based on.

With crappy optics the components are very different.

Darklyte27
11-02-2008, 10:27 AM
Here is an analogy for you. If you buy a higher end Hyundai, they are supposed to be okay cars but will cost the same as a European or US car. Would I buy the Hyundai if I had to pay the same amount of money? Heck no.

Why would someone buy a Leapers with a shady reputation even if it as good as what you say (which I really doubt) when you can buy a better, tested, quality low/mid end scope for the same price range?

Those cars have a 10 year warrenty!!
vs other cars of just 3 years

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 10:28 AM
Here is an analogy for you. If you buy a higher end Hyundai, they are supposed to be okay cars but will cost the same as a European or US car. Would I buy the Hyundai if I had to pay the same amount of money? Heck no.

Why would someone buy a Leapers with a shady reputation even if it as good as what you say (which I really doubt) when you can buy a better, tested, quality low/mid end scope for the same price range?

Hey bro all I said is that the accuseries are good scopes for the money I have been telling him to buy the Bushnell for the last 5 posts.
But to say the new Accuseries are cheap crap is false.

jandmtv
11-02-2008, 10:29 AM
Now, I wouldn't buy a Leapers either, but we should note that companies can and do improve over time. I remember when D-Link wireless routers were total crap, and nowadays, they're actually better than Linksys and Netgear, especially the D-Link DIR-655. Someone else around here pointed out that UTG has come a long way, from designed-for-airsoft stuff to firearms-quality stuff.

UTG and Leapers are one in the same!

Darklyte27
11-02-2008, 10:40 AM
So I am drowsy as hell since I took a fat swig of NyQuil about 5 hours ago.. and i went and got the 10x40 Bushnell 3200 using ebay, 175$ and 25% cash back should come out to 131$ afterward.

PS cashback is up to 2500$

"Q: Is there a limit on how much cashback savings I can get?
A: You can earn up to $2,500 in cashback savings every calendar year! We want cashback awards to go to a broad variety of consumers who search and shop on Live Search for their personal purchases. However, if a single purchase causes you to meet and also exceed this cap, you can still earn all the cashback savings associated with that purchase, provided that all other eligibility requirements are met. "

back to sleep...

nobs11
11-02-2008, 10:56 AM
Those cars have a 10 year warrenty!!
vs other cars of just 3 years

Okay maybe my analogy doesn't work with the warranty.

Nikon, Bushnell, Leupold, etc all have a lifetime warranty and they won't be folding shop anytime soon. Can you say that with Leapers or whatever?

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 11:22 AM
You're talking about scopes the same cost as good rings an bases alone. Scope and mounts should always cost as much as, or MORE than the gun. Why? Because the fun (and point) of shooting a gun is about hitting what you are aiming at. A cheap scope that has to be re-zeroed on every trip to the range (simmons) -- that the tube is out of round and is crushed by the rings (Horus) -- that runs out of elevation adjustments. or has "soft" internals that feels like you're turning the windage knob and there's nothing going on -- you can buy crappy Wolf ammo but don't compromise on a scope.

If you can't afford very good glass, learn to shoot with iron sights while you save up.
Baseline acceptable scope:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/SN-3.jpg

So says Adam B.

Omega13device
11-02-2008, 11:44 AM
You're talking about scopes the same cost as good rings an bases alone. Scope and mounts should always cost as much as, or MORE than the gun. Why? Because the fun (and point) of shooting a gun is about hitting what you are aiming at. A cheap scope that has to be re-zeroed on every trip to the range (simmons) -- that the tube is out of round and is crushed by the rings (Horus) -- that runs out of elevation adjustments. or has "soft" internals that feels like you're turning the windage knob and there's nothing going on -- you can buy crappy Wolf ammo but don't compromise on a scope.

If you can't afford very good glass, learn to shoot with iron sights while you save up.
Baseline acceptable scope:

[pic of USO scope mounted on M1A deleted]

So says Adam B.
XNY, I have nothing but admiration for your taste in rifles and scopes :D but if the OP is on a budget I think he's better off spending $200 on a scope and getting experience with it now. That way if it takes him a year or two to save up for his dream scope, by the time he gets it he'll actually know how to get the most out of it. And he can probably get $100 for his used scope to boot.

FMJBT
11-02-2008, 11:47 AM
Sigh. You did not just compare Leapers junk to Bausch & Lomb optics or a Leupold. The Leapers is an airgun rated scope. You got lucky. I'd buy a Mueller before I'd buy a Leapers. No offense.


Shrug. Yes I did. Please try to keep in mind here that I'm not comparing the low end $39.95 Leapers scopes to Bushnell 4200, 6500, or Leupold high end optics. I'm comparing the top of the line Leapers against the bottom of the line leupold and mid grade Bushnell. Side by side, the Leapers has similar resolution and a more defined reticle than the 3200 10X40 mil dot. The adjustments however, are not as positive as the Bushnell's and it does not have as much internal range either. It needs a canted base to get a 308 out to 1000 when using the center of the reticle. I use the mil dots as hold overs, so this is not an issue for my AR-10.

FMJBT
11-02-2008, 11:53 AM
Nikon, Bushnell, Leupold, etc all have a lifetime warranty and they won't be folding shop anytime soon. Can you say that with Leapers or whatever?

Actually, Leapers does have a limited lifetime warranty. I've never had to use it, so I can't say one way or the other how goo their service is though.

BroncoBob
11-02-2008, 11:56 AM
The only suggestion is not to go cheap on optics.

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 12:06 PM
Going cheap on Optics so he can "get used to them" may only lead to frustration and eventually leaving the sport as he will be fighting his equipment. That's why we are recommending NOT to cheap out. A used Leupold on Ebay will be bette than a new off brand scope -- and because Companies want to sell only this year's model -- a new in the box might be had at a bargain if it's an old model that's still in the box

For grins I just found these on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/leupold-scope-vx-11-3-9x40-matt-finsh-scopes-new_W0QQitemZ220305494640QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2 20305494640&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/LEUPOLD-RIFLEMAN-4-12x40mm-MATTE-RIFLE-SCOPE_W0QQitemZ370106225807QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m370106225807&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_675wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leupold-M8-4X-Rifle-Scope_W0QQitemZ130265687678QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m130265687678&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1376wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/RIFLE-SCOPE-LEUPOLD-VARI-X-II-2-X-7-EXC-COND-9-99_W0QQitemZ350118793062QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item35 0118793062&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_0

It's clear that a good leupold could ge gotten around $100
practice with that until you save up for a US Optics or Nightforce.

nobs11
11-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Going cheap on Optics so he can "get used to them" may only lead to frustration and eventually leaving the sport as he will be fighting his equipment. That's why we are recommending NOT to cheap out. A used Leupold on Ebay will be bette than a new off brand scope -- and because Companies want to sell only this year's model -- a new in the box might be had at a bargain if it's an old model that's still in the box

For grins I just found these on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/leupold-scope-vx-11-3-9x40-matt-finsh-scopes-new_W0QQitemZ220305494640QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2 20305494640&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/LEUPOLD-RIFLEMAN-4-12x40mm-MATTE-RIFLE-SCOPE_W0QQitemZ370106225807QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m370106225807&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_675wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leupold-M8-4X-Rifle-Scope_W0QQitemZ130265687678QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m130265687678&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1376wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/RIFLE-SCOPE-LEUPOLD-VARI-X-II-2-X-7-EXC-COND-9-99_W0QQitemZ350118793062QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item35 0118793062&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_0

It's clear that a good leupold could ge gotten around $100
practice with that until you save up for a US Optics or Nightforce.

The only Leupolds that are cheap are the old VX-Is. Even on those, the prices seem low now but people will drive them up towards the end of the auction. I'd buy a Bushnell Elite 3200 over a VX-I. It is not a cheap made scope. Buy one and try it out. If you are talking about the mid to high range, then things change. I'll buy a Nightforce before I buy any Leupold. Leupold is great but there are other options in all ranges.

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 12:39 PM
Okay maybe my analogy doesn't work with the warranty.

Nikon, Bushnell, Leupold, etc all have a lifetime warranty and they won't be folding shop anytime soon. Can you say that with Leapers or whatever?

lol Nc star gives a life time warranty ;)

I have a Leapers scope with god knows how many rounds through it, it's so old and and so miss used the neglected thrown around mounted on different guns and still holds 0

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 12:48 PM
Shrug. Yes I did. Please try to keep in mind here that I'm not comparing the low end $39.95 Leapers scopes to Bushnell 4200, 6500, or Leupold high end optics. I'm comparing the top of the line Leapers against the bottom of the line leupold and mid grade Bushnell. Side by side, the Leapers has similar resolution and a more defined reticle than the 3200 10X40 mil dot. The adjustments however, are not as positive as the Bushnell's and it does not have as much internal range either. It needs a canted base to get a 308 out to 1000 when using the center of the reticle. I use the mil dots as hold overs, so this is not an issue for my AR-10.

lol bro arguing with some the guys on here is like penalizing a retarded kid for double dribbling during a basket ball game.:D

Unless one has had a Leapers Accushot or some of the better models they will simply classify it as Chinese junk and to their defense most scopes made there like Nc star are crap.

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 12:51 PM
here is some info



Burris - Speed dot, XTS - Korea

Eotech, Bushnell Holosight - USA; Holosight XLP is made in Japan.

Falcon - The lenses are sourced from Japan and are made to a specified Falcon standard. The tube and the majority of the assembly are sourced from China and final assembly and quality control happen at Falcon Optics in the United Kingdom.

Hensoldt - Germany

IOR - Romania, glass from Schott in Germany

Kahles - Austria

Leupold - many scopes are assembled in USA, some may still be completely made in USA.

Meopta - Czechoslovakia

Millett - China

Nightforce - Assembled in the US from Japanese components. Some scopes are marked Made In Japan. Light optical works of japan makes the scopes/optics for them
Markings - NXS 1-4 - America, NXS 3.5-15x50 - Japan

Nikko Sterling - The importer says that only their Diamond Series are "fully" made in Japan. Allegedly the Diamond line has FMC lenses and is made in Japan. Midway rep says Diamond Eurohunter, Diamond Hunter glass is made in Japan, scope is assembled in China. 1-4 x 24 scope is made in China and will not have an illuminated reticle.

Nikon - Buckmaster 4.5x14x40 - marked Made In Phillipines. Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42mm model 6166 (marked Nikon Monarch E on box) - Made In Japan

Pentax - assembled in USA, some claim it's a relabeled Burris

Pride Fowler - Japan?

Schmidt and Bender PMII 3-12X50 - Germany

Simmons - China

SPOT - Korea

Super Sniper - Reportedly made in Japan by Hakko for SWFA.

Tasco (owned by Bushnell) Propoint, Propoint 2 - Korea

Troy's DMS scope - the OEM is Sunclear, same as Vortex

Vortex - The new StrikeFire riflescopes are made to spec in China. The Crossfire entry level line is made in China. The Diamondback and Viper series are made in the Philippines.

Unertl - USA?

Zeiss - Germany, USA - Zeiss Conquest 3x9x40, 4.5-14x44 MC - marked Assembled In USA

nobs11
11-02-2008, 12:58 PM
lol Nc star gives a life time warranty ;)

I have a Leapers scope with god knows how many rounds through it, it's so old and and so miss used the neglected thrown around mounted on different guns and still holds 0

A Leupold or Nikon or Bushnell lifetime warranty means a little bit more than a Leapers or Ncstar lifetime warranty. Argue for your company all you want. Anyone who wants to spend $200 is not going to spend that money on a Leapers. They should stick to their market base -- $40 and 50 scopes sold to suckers or airsoft kids.

kentomatic
11-02-2008, 1:46 PM
Thanks for all the feedback guys! Looks like the Bushnell 3200 will fit the bill and my budget. I'll post up picks when I get it setup.

Darklyte27
11-02-2008, 6:37 PM
what size rings does the 3200 need?

Omega13device
11-02-2008, 6:45 PM
Going cheap on Optics so he can "get used to them" may only lead to frustration and eventually leaving the sport as he will be fighting his equipment. That's why we are recommending NOT to cheap out. A used Leupold on Ebay will be bette than a new off brand scope -- and because Companies want to sell only this year's model -- a new in the box might be had at a bargain if it's an old model that's still in the box

For grins I just found these on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/leupold-scope-vx-11-3-9x40-matt-finsh-scopes-new_W0QQitemZ220305494640QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2 20305494640&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/LEUPOLD-RIFLEMAN-4-12x40mm-MATTE-RIFLE-SCOPE_W0QQitemZ370106225807QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m370106225807&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_675wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leupold-M8-4X-Rifle-Scope_W0QQitemZ130265687678QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m130265687678&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1376wt_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/RIFLE-SCOPE-LEUPOLD-VARI-X-II-2-X-7-EXC-COND-9-99_W0QQitemZ350118793062QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item35 0118793062&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_0

It's clear that a good leupold could ge gotten around $100
practice with that until you save up for a US Optics or Nightforce.
I wasn't telling the OP to get a piece of crap, just that there is a happy medium between iron sights and a USO for people on a budget. Clearly you agree with me. :)

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 7:06 PM
A Leupold or Nikon or Bushnell lifetime warranty means a little bit more than a Leapers or Ncstar lifetime warranty. Argue for your company all you want. Anyone who wants to spend $200 is not going to spend that money on a Leapers. They should stick to their market base -- $40 and 50 scopes sold to suckers or airsoft kids.

lol I got $2000 that says I will out shoot you and what ever scope and gun you got 300 meters 5 shots using my POS Leapers airsoft scope.

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 7:08 PM
lol I got $2000 that says I will out shoot you and what ever scope and gun you got 300 meters 5 shots using my POS Leapers airsoft scope.

Calguns picnic contest! Who-hooo!
When are we all going to the range to watch this?

nobs11
11-02-2008, 7:14 PM
lol I got $2000 that says I will out shoot you and what ever scope and gun you got 300 meters 5 shots using my POS Leapers airsoft scope.

Sigh. Internet trolls. Debating with you is pointless.

Here's a prize for you.

http://stuff.orly.ch/img/blog/zomg-you-ve-won-internet.gif

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 7:18 PM
Sigh. Internet trolls. Debating with you is pointless.

Here's a prize for you.

http://stuff.orly.ch/img/blog/zomg-you-ve-won-internet.gif

yeah ok now I am a troll dude your some rookie out of your league drink a beer and relax.:84: Learn your MOA's first then come talk to me

nobs11
11-02-2008, 7:20 PM
yeah ok now I am a troll dude your some rookie out of your league drink a beer and relax.:84: Learn your MOA's first then come talk to me

Been shooting longer than your mom has been wiping your butt son. Go sell some Leapers to more new shooters. I really don't care what you do or don't think of me, but don't peddle your crappy products and screw people out of their money.

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 7:27 PM
Been shooting longer than your mom has been wiping your butt son.

Then why are you asking stupid question like oh what will it cost to load 1000 of 75HNDY or 77SMk do you even know your rate of twist? Like I said you bring $2000 I bring $2000 that's all the rest is all talk.
I group inch at that range 60gr Vmax 27C Varget Win Brass 400 CCI. My Leapers scope works and it's funny how there are others in here telling you they work but you don't want to listen but bad talk something you have never owned or used. Instead you want to get into a pissing contest with someone that knows more then you an average so called expert shooter.

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 7:30 PM
No trolling!
I was always taught it's not the gun and scope, it's the man or woman behind the "go" button. Check out Remington's retro M40 bolt gun and imagine that Carlos Hathcock did what he did without a Kestrel, a PDA or a 20x scope.

All this black gun fever has made me hanker for the 700 BDL in 308 I bought in 1979 with a Bushnell 4x on it. Most of the bolt guns I have now I can't even lift anymore. They are definitely bench queens.

nobs11
11-02-2008, 7:31 PM
Then why are you asking stupid question like oh what will it cost to load 1000 of 75HNDY or 77SMk do you even know your rate of twist?

I see you have been looking up my past posts. The context of that was I had stopped reloading for 5 years and I wanted to know how the pricing equation works out with the prices of components today. I purchased my first single stage press about 15 years ago. I guess you want to be on the path to be banned again. Any other research you want to do on me based on what I post on the Internet? Damn troll.

1lostinspace
11-02-2008, 7:37 PM
I see you have been looking up my past posts. The context of that was I had stopped reloading for 5 years and I wanted to know how the pricing equation works out with the prices of components today. I guess you want to be on the path to be banned again. Any other research you want to do on me based on what I post on the Internet? Damn troll.

:beatdeadhorse5:

go to http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/

someone needs to teach you some respect

nobs11
11-02-2008, 7:45 PM
someone needs to teach you some respect

What are you? A little gangbanger now?

jmlivingston
11-02-2008, 7:46 PM
This thread is done. You want to argue the merits, that's fine. Namecalling and making this a public and personal fight is not.

John