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offrdmania
11-01-2008, 5:33 PM
I want one just so that I can say that I have one. This crazy thing uses 20MM Vulcan rounds :D
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/offrdmania/20mm1.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/offrdmania/20mmbulletsizes.jpg

wildcard313
11-01-2008, 5:37 PM
would that qualify as a decent dear gun?

Jpach
11-01-2008, 5:47 PM
I bet alot of people here would say that this 20mm Vulcan round would just "rip right through you" and that the magical fragmenting powers of the 5.56 would be much more effective.

Linus
11-01-2008, 5:51 PM
imagine squirrel hunting with that thing.:D

5hundo
11-01-2008, 6:05 PM
I assume a 20mm would be CA legal, right? ;)

FMJBT
11-01-2008, 6:16 PM
I bet alot of people here would say that this 20mm Vulcan round would just "rip right through you" and that the magical fragmenting powers of the 5.56 would be much more effective.

Deplete uranium doesn't fragment nearly as well as jacketed 5.56 rounds. It's the main reason our military doesn't switch over to the 20mm for urban combat.........:rolleyes:

Wildhawk66
11-01-2008, 6:20 PM
It might make a decent "deer" gun if your going for complete vapor. It would only make a good "dear" gun if you have divorce and a murder charge tags... Good luck to ya!

tankerman
11-01-2008, 6:37 PM
I bet alot of people here would say that this 20mm Vulcan round would just "rip right through you" and that the magical fragmenting powers of the 5.56 would be much more effective.
The diameter of the 20mm would tear a very big hole without expanding. If it hit bone, the bone would break. Not in the same league when it comes to effective range.

quagmiles
11-01-2008, 6:59 PM
All joking aside, what is the real world application for that weapon? If I had to hazard a guess I'd say anti- vehicle?

rabagley
11-01-2008, 7:20 PM
An AR in 458 socom or Beowulf will do fine for light anti-vehicular duty.

This device is for taking out light armored vehicles, emplacements in defilade, walls, homes, etc.

Spyder
11-01-2008, 7:28 PM
It's for fun. Plain and simple. Fun fun FUN.

And a wee bit of excitement.

asymmetricalwarfar3
11-01-2008, 7:36 PM
If I had the scratch and papers, I'd be all over that like white on rice!;)

X-NewYawker
11-01-2008, 8:03 PM
The chosen weapon of 7-11 robbers!

arfan66
11-01-2008, 9:04 PM
Not to mention those drive-by shooters!

Haplo
11-01-2008, 9:07 PM
That looks like a lot of fun. However I think my wallet would cringe every time the trigger is pulled.

ke6guj
11-01-2008, 9:18 PM
I assume a 20mm would be CA legal, right? ;)
It is a NFA Destructive Device, so you have to do the Form 4 deal, and you need a CADOJ permit to own it.

wildcard313
11-01-2008, 9:53 PM
If I get my grandma to go through all the steps and she gets one, can she leave it to me when she passes?

ke6guj
11-01-2008, 10:00 PM
If you grandma lives in a DD-friendly state, Yes, she could get one. She could leave it to you in her will/trust, but you wouldn't be able to bring it into CA unless you got the CADOJ DD permit. IIRC, the ATF has allowed for in cases like your theoritical situation, for the recipient to store the item out of state in a legal location, such as a bank deposit box, or at another person's location in a safe in which only the recipient has the key/combo to.

aplinker
11-01-2008, 10:39 PM
If I make it into a single shot pistol, would it be exempt from the drop test?

motorhead
11-01-2008, 11:01 PM
i've got to get one before vw season opens.

offrdmania
11-01-2008, 11:36 PM
Someone tell me how to put a you tube clip on here and ill post up the gun being fired

StraightShooter
11-01-2008, 11:51 PM
That is the ultimate substitute for viagra.

Moonclip
11-02-2008, 3:44 AM
I think the Croatians or one of those Yugo type people had made guns like this, I want one!

And of course there is the Lathi 20mm, sold at one time in the USA.

offrdmania
11-02-2008, 6:47 AM
That rifle is on their webpage for $18,500

Max-the-Silent
11-02-2008, 11:43 AM
The beauty of the 20mm is you can get a sufficient amount of incendiary or HE in the projectile to make a difference downrange. As good as the .50 is, there's only so much you can do with it projo enhancement-wise.

In reality, for the unwashed civilian market, the 20 isn't in any way practical - DD, the good ammo is DD classified, and even rolling your own solids would put a crimp in anyone's bank book.

The .50 is enough for me, I don't look at the 20mm as a must-have or even as a wouldn't-it-be-nice piece.

sb_pete
11-06-2008, 2:21 PM
That rifle is on their webpage for $18,500

The base model take down 20mm (http://www.anzioironworks.com/20MM-TAKE-DOWN-RIFLE.htm) is $6800

The single shot one is $9800

The base model mag fed one (http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm) is $11,900

The version with the massive bipod and freefloated handguards is $13,000

Then there is a custom sound suppressor avail for a quick $3200.

They have 49" barrels and weigh between 39lbs (single shot) up to specially weighted versions of 100+lbs to soak up recoil.

The whole thing is a ridiculous, just-because-I-can kind of toy. I would love to play around with something like that, but even if I got the gun (it may be rifled, but this thing qualifies as a friggin' gun)for free, it is $8-$15 per trigger pull.

Here it is next to a 26" barrelled .50 for scale:eek:

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo251/sb_pete/20mmwith50a-1.jpg

Spiggy
11-06-2008, 2:33 PM
in the words of the great Aimo Lahti: "12.7mm[.50cal] is for girls"

AngelDecoys
11-06-2008, 2:37 PM
Someone tell me how to put a you tube clip on here and ill post up the gun being fired

Youtube brackets and place the portion of the youtube url after the = sign.

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5hundo
11-06-2008, 2:37 PM
It is a NFA Destructive Device, so you have to do the Form 4 deal, and you need a CADOJ permit to own it.

:(

No fair!!!

nrakid88
11-06-2008, 2:43 PM
I bet alot of people here would say that this 20mm Vulcan round would just "rip right through you" and that the magical fragmenting powers of the 5.56 would be much more effective.

Your completely correct joel, I would much rather be hit by this 20mm Vulcan with AP rounds than XM193.

sb_pete
11-06-2008, 2:44 PM
I think the Croatians or one of those Yugo type people had made guns like this, I want one!

And of course there is the Lathi 20mm, sold at one time in the USA.

Yep:

There's also:
- The Coratian RT 20 (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn56-e.htm). That thing has a giant "reactive tube" above the barrel which bleeds off gas to act as a counter recoil.
- The Finnish Helenius APH-20
- The South African NTW-20 (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn55-e.htm)
- The Hungarian APH RK20
- The Barrett XM-109 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_XM109) is semi-auto but it is in friggin 25mm! (well 25x59mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_x_59_mm) but still!)

- And of course there is big daddy old school Lahti L-39 Anti-tank rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L39) shooting 20mmx138mm Solothurn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_x_138B_cartridge) for those days when masochistic doesn't even begin to describe it. Solothurn is significantly more powerful than 20x102mm Vulcan. The Swiss Solothurn S-18/1000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solothurn_S-18/1000) is another beast in the same vein.
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo251/sb_pete/dudecarryingalahti.jpg

brando
11-06-2008, 3:04 PM
FWIW, the 20mm Vulcan isn't a very good round ballistically. It's big and slow whereas the Soviet 14.5mm is FAR superior still having significantly more mass than a .50BMG as well as velocity over 3000fps.

But this is obviously just a big fun boom stick anyway.

sb_pete
11-06-2008, 5:32 PM
^ Yeah,I think this thing is just kind of "because I can." It doesn't have any real practical use in these days of much lighter and more portable anti armor rockets.

That said, they do offer it in 14.5mm Russian for the very reason. you mention.

They also offer a 20mm/.50 BMG hybrid that launches .50BMG rounds out of a necked down 20mm vulcan case in order to skirt around NFA rules.

brando
11-06-2008, 5:51 PM
The problem is the 14.5mm is a DD in the same vein as the 20mm. I wonder if the 50/20mm hybrid is the McMillan FatMac...the ultimate fouling round ;)

ke6guj
11-06-2008, 5:59 PM
The 14.5mm Russian is DD, but the 14.5mmJDJ is not a DD. It is a .50BMG necked up to 14.5 and has an ATF exemption.

And since 14.5mm is less than .60, neither is a CA DD, so you don't need CADOJ permission.

You could possibly just buy the receiver from Anzio, and Form 1 into a DD, and then order the barrel/bolt from Anzio to make it a 14.5mm Russian if you wanted to. Assuming they would work with you on it.

tyrist
11-06-2008, 6:56 PM
The trauma a 20mm would cause on a living creature would be....well.....I cannot imagine you surving such a wound no matter where it hit you.

bohoki
11-06-2008, 8:38 PM
Deplete uranium doesn't fragment nearly as well as jacketed 5.56 rounds. It's the main reason our military doesn't switch over to the 20mm for urban combat.........:rolleyes:



yea but imagine being able to fire an 80 grain projectile that is the same size as a 55gn fmj

sb_pete
11-06-2008, 11:27 PM
yea but imagine being able to fire an 80 grain projectile that is the same size as a 55gn fmj

huh, lower MV + lower BC = good how?

Jpach
03-17-2009, 12:33 AM
The diameter of the 20mm would tear a very big hole without expanding. If it hit bone, the bone would break. Not in the same league when it comes to effective range.

I know this is an old thread but I came across this in a new 20mm thread. I will now respond to your response.

I can almost guaruntee that a 20mm would royally **** someone up even if it hit them in the stomach without hitting bone. And Im not just talking about a smooth 20mm hole. The temporary cavity would probably be bigger than what the human body will allow and I honestly think the torso would split or the belly would tear open with lots of guts hanging out or shredded. Try shooting a jackrabbit with regular FMJ .223. They Fing explode. I have pictures of it if yalls want me to post. The belly popped open and bloot and guts were shooting out. The bunny's intestines were even rapped around one of its legs. Imagine something that has about 40K ft/lbs of energy hitting you. Its in a league of its own fellers

Greenspartan117
03-17-2009, 1:42 AM
I know this is an old thread but I came across this in a new 20mm thread. I will now respond to your response.

I can almost guaruntee that a 20mm would royally **** someone up even if it hit them in the stomach without hitting bone. And Im not just talking about a smooth 20mm hole. The temporary cavity would probably be bigger than what the human body will allow and I honestly think the torso would split or the belly would tear open with lots of guts hanging out or shredded. Try shooting a jackrabbit with regular FMJ .223. They Fing explode. I have pictures of it if yalls want me to post. The belly popped open and bloot and guts were shooting out. The bunny's intestines were even rapped around one of its legs. Imagine something that has about 40K ft/lbs of energy hitting you. Its in a league of its own fellers

Even imaging a 20mm hole in ones body is devastating, the amount of nerves and blood vessels destroyed would amount to shock and death by blood loss easily. Then take into account the effect that the impact would have on the skeletal system, and on major organs which for intensive purposes, are fluid filled...

If I had to choose the caliber to get shot with, I would choose .177 from a cheap Norinco air rifle...

Greenspartan117

bombadillo
03-17-2009, 8:48 AM
would that qualify as a decent dear gun?

Yep, the letter will state: "Dear (insert name here), wish we would have gotten along better......BANG"

offrdmania
03-17-2009, 9:05 AM
Maybe I shouldnt post this but here is a pic of my 30mm which they use on the A-10 Warthogs. Keep in mind that this round is almost 12" long and 1.75" in diameter. It dwarfs the 20mm.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/offrdmania/30mm008.jpg

And this is a 30mm next to a 20mm (blue tip) Yeah, I have a little collection as paperweights

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/offrdmania/30_20.jpg

JoeC
03-17-2009, 9:43 AM
Thats crazy!

Can you imagine a round of that size running through a gun at this speed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sALiuWg_I1k

offrdmania
03-17-2009, 10:07 AM
Ill make it easier

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JoeC
03-17-2009, 10:11 AM
Ill make it easier

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Hehe thanks. I'm used to forums where they don't allow video embeds.

luc45
04-13-2009, 8:12 PM
are you able to buy this in ca.?