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Dirtbiker
10-31-2008, 8:57 AM
With all the 922 restrictions why hasnt a US company come out with an all american AK? Even the high end AKs on the market came here as new Bulgy or other foreign kits? We have plenty of US parts just not any complete rifles that I know of.

valleyguy
10-31-2008, 9:15 AM
Patent law? Copyright? Dunno. I know they recently let Valenzuela make an AK factory.

AaronHorrocks
10-31-2008, 9:15 AM
There wouldn't be a market for it.
Imported parts are still far cheaper than U.S. Made.

69Mach1
10-31-2008, 9:26 AM
Not really a market for a complete US made AK. Also, no one makes a US made bolt, bolt carrier, or trunion yet.

Solidsnake87
10-31-2008, 9:33 AM
Patent law? Copyright? Dunno. I know they recently let Valenzuela make an AK factory.

No. Kalishnikov was true to his communist state. So strong were his socialist views that he never took a patent on his creation.

Importation of these things is no longer legal from outside the US--as far I know. When foreign parts kit importation and foreign rifle importation were legal it makes sense why they are cheaper. lol. There are more AKs out there than any other firearm. They are a great way to make cash, espially for all thos countries scapping captured, surplus, and foreign stock for parts.

69Mach1
10-31-2008, 9:42 AM
Foreign made AK's with foreign receivers are still being imported into the U.S. It's not banned yet. They come in as "Sporting" arms and are 925d compliant. For example, Arsenal imports Bulgarian made rifles with single stack magwells, non threaded barrels, no bayo lugs, and a thumbhole stock. Once in the U.S. they modify them with high cap mag wells, add a pistol grip and buttstock, etc. and add enough U.S. made parts to be 922r compliant.

Parts kits are another thing. Since 2005, foreign made barrels had to be cut or not included with parts kits.

Full Clip
10-31-2008, 9:44 AM
No. Kalishnikov was true to his communist state. So strong were his socialist views that he never took a patent on his creation.

And he now bitterly regrets the fact that his rifle — one of the most popular and successful in the history of firearms — earns him virtually nothing.

"Despite the success of the AK-47, Kalashnikov has never earned any money from his invention.

'All the earnings went to the state,' he said."

http://www.iol.co.za/?click_id=24&art_id=qw1027915740331B241&set_id=1

69Mach1
10-31-2008, 9:51 AM
Right now there are only three countrys importing AK's. Romania, Russia, and Bulgaria. You can also get pre-ban AK's that are CA legal. They should be 100 percent foreign made. CZ is importing their VZ-58's which is similar in looks to an AK.

SJgunguy24
10-31-2008, 9:53 AM
And he now bitterly regrets the fact that his rifle one of the most popular and successful in the history of firearms earns him virtually nothing.

"Despite the success of the AK-47, Kalashnikov has never earned any money from his invention.

'All the earnings went to the state,' he said."

http://www.iol.co.za/?click_id=24&art_id=qw1027915740331B241&set_id=1

Yep, commies at their finest. We will take what is yours and give it to others. Kinda sounds like "spreading the wealth".............sound familier?

nobs11
10-31-2008, 9:56 AM
And he now bitterly regrets the fact that his rifle one of the most popular and successful in the history of firearms earns him virtually nothing.

"Despite the success of the AK-47, Kalashnikov has never earned any money from his invention.

'All the earnings went to the state,' he said."

http://www.iol.co.za/?click_id=24&art_id=qw1027915740331B241&set_id=1

I don't see from that interview how he "bitterly regrets the fact." All he said that the "earnings went to the state." You are editorializing what he said to support your beliefs.

aplinker
10-31-2008, 12:07 PM
I think in about 5yrs we'll see US made Bolts, trunnions, etc.

It's just a matter of time until almost everything can be procured from US made parts. Now, whether or not they're actually built as full US rifles will remain to be seen.

Most the parts are still cheaper and better made coming in from out of the country.

Dirtbiker
10-31-2008, 12:20 PM
The basic AK is so simple I'm surprised no one has jumped on it yet. Trunnions, gas blocks and front sights are all cast, that's cheap and easy. Barrels are made all over the US. We can already buy US FCGs, mags, and furniture. All we need now are bolts and carriers.

With some of the kits coming in at $600-900+ you would think a manufacturer would give it a shot. Heck we already do it with the AR platform.

Max-the-Silent
11-01-2008, 10:15 AM
Simple economics.

You can purchase surplus AK rifles in every flavor in Europe for almost "scrap" prices.

Trash the F/A internals, scrap the receiver, sell in the U.S. for a 300% mark-up.

The end user here then reassembles the rifle into a compliant piece.

There is no economic incentive to produce the trunnion, barrel, etc in the U.S.

Beelzy
11-01-2008, 10:51 AM
Why would one want to do that??

Especially when every other Military type rifle maker is still on the AR cloning
bus.

Besides, its ugly. :TFH:

CCWFacts
11-01-2008, 11:19 AM
No. Kalishnikov was true to his communist state. So strong were his socialist views that he never took a patent on his creation.

Any patents would have expired long ago. The design plans could still be copyrighted or trade secrets however. I realize that the USSR didn't have a copyright law until the 70s, but it did have state secrets laws, so there probably are some legal protections on the design. However, I can't imagine they would have any way of enforcing them.

I'm sure the real obstacles are economics. To get tooled up and start making parts like bolts etc, you end up with a > $1,000 rifle that still shoots like an AK. It would be hard to sell. That said, someday when I'm rich I might want to invest the money to re-make some class Eastern Block guns with modern materials and CNC manufacturing. I would love a new SKS with top-quality stainless parts, etc. Maybe there are some collectors out there who would go for it.

motorhead
11-01-2008, 12:49 PM
tooling up would be cost prohibitive. even if you built them in mexico to avoid the labor costs. just ask hugo chavez.

csmintel
11-01-2008, 1:13 PM
copyrights and patents for ak belong to russian federation's "Rosvooruzhenie" and they control who get's the licensing. it's grey area but it would be a lot easier to prosecute for a copyright infrigement in US than other country. makes sense to import legal or "illegal".... grey market parts then to manufacture all of it in usa.

The market it huge for these. There are more ak's then other rifles in the world.

Lon Moer
11-01-2008, 1:19 PM
AK's are always going to be restricted to 922r because it is a foreign weapon.
Even the US made DSA FAL's and PTR-91's have to conform with enough non-foreign parts.

bohoki
11-01-2008, 1:48 PM
according to the 10 parts definition of made in america i would have to say that about 50% are domestic made