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dd03
10-30-2008, 11:20 AM
My buddy is going to move here from another state. He has a S&W AR 5.45x39. I told him to place a bullet button on it and he can bring it here legally to CA with all the "evil" features he want. Well, he doesn't believe me.

I told him that I would post a question here to prove to him that I'm right.

So the question: Can he bring his S&W AR to CA with a bullet button and all the "evil" features he want?

One more thing: I told him that he's prefect for CA because he's scared ****less of the DOJ!

ohsmily
10-30-2008, 11:45 AM
yes.

:rolleyes:

Ask him to show you the law that prohibits bringing it in. That way, we can specifically address why he thinks he can't.

GaryPowersLives
10-30-2008, 1:53 PM
As long as his model is not on the prohibited list, just have him add the BB before he hits the border.

Mssr. Eleganté
10-30-2008, 2:10 PM
Make sure he knows that the magazine locked in with the BB has to be 10 rounds or less.

Darklyte27
10-30-2008, 2:46 PM
yes

MonsterMan
10-30-2008, 2:48 PM
Just tell him to leave his 30 rounders behind, but the rifle is good to go as long as it is not listed.

5hundo
10-30-2008, 2:50 PM
...but with the bullet button, he can't use any mags over 10 rds. ;)

Otherwise, switch out to a Monsterman grip, change the "flash hider" to a "muzzle brake", get rid of all other "evil" features and he's legal...

hawk1
10-30-2008, 2:54 PM
He's right! It's totally illegal for him to bring it here.

Now, give me his phone number so I can buy it from him for pennies on the dollar....:43:

:p

Frijolito1988
10-30-2008, 3:19 PM
Yes it is legal

option 1 Place bullet button and only use 10 round magazine and have all the evil features you want with in ca law.

option 2 put a monster man grip, use all your normal capasity mags but no evil features at all

Capt. Speirs
10-30-2008, 3:24 PM
Yes it is legal

option 1 Place bullet button and only use 10 round magazine and have all the evil features you want with in ca law.

option 2 put a monster man grip, use all your normal capasity mags but no evil features at all

Don't the high-caps have to be pre-ban?

5hundo
10-30-2008, 3:27 PM
Don't the high-caps have to be pre-ban?

Yes, if they're marked...

...also, he couldn't legally bring them into the state. That would be considered "importing" them, which is illegal.

Josh3239
10-30-2008, 3:29 PM
Don't the high-caps have to be pre-ban?

Oh boy your about to open up a can of worms. Short answer, you have to have come into possession of the high cap before year 2000. No ownership or usage is not banned but rather importing, selling, loaning, or manufacturing is banned.

Frijolito1988
10-30-2008, 3:30 PM
Don't the high-caps have to be pre-ban?

Sure, im positive he bough them out of state pre 2000...

Frijolito1988
10-30-2008, 3:33 PM
Yes, if they're marked...

...also, he couldn't legally bring them into the state. That would be considered "importing" them, which is illegal.

dissasemble and bring them in as rebuild kits...

bohoki
10-30-2008, 4:08 PM
the options are wide open for him bullet button with 10 rounders,removal of bad features and monster man grip,22 upper

but it is not legal to bring in its current configuration

5hundo
10-30-2008, 5:12 PM
The bottom line is that he's going to have to jump through a few hoops but he should be able to get the rifle here legally...

...he may have to get a little "creative" about it, though. ;)

sorensen440
10-30-2008, 5:24 PM
Seems to be a lot of half way advice in here
Yes he can bring it in if he puts a bb,p50 or some other type of magazine lock
or removes all evil features and goes with a u-15, Monsterman grip or some other pistol grip removing device

No he cant bring in magazines over 10 rnds unless he bought them in the state prior to the ban
He can bring them in as rebuild kits but assembling them in state would be illegal

I highly suggest your friend study up on the aw flowchart prior to doing anything as someone not familiar with the laws could easily create a felony by adding something later

grammaton76
10-30-2008, 6:12 PM
Oh boy your about to open up a can of worms. Short answer, you have to have come into possession of the high cap in California before year 2000. No ownership or usage is not banned but rather importing, selling, loaning, or manufacturing is banned.

Fixed it for ya. Buying mags pre-2000 in Nevada, etc doesn't count as pre-ban in California.

Buying them in 1998 in California and then moving away, and moving back, would be a perfectly legitimate case.

shark92651
10-30-2008, 7:46 PM
If you are a true friend you will convince him not to come here in the first place ;)

sorensen440
10-30-2008, 7:47 PM
If you are a true friend you will convince him not to come here in the first place ;)

bah we need all the pro gun voters we can get
I often wonder what the poll's would look like if everyone that fled this state due to crappy firearms laws came back....

vlsgmc
10-30-2008, 8:05 PM
It's 5.45x39, isn't this a new caliber with new mags? Or are they just slightly modified mags from another caliber?

ivanimal
10-30-2008, 8:05 PM
If you are a true friend you will convince him not to come here in the first place ;)

Ludicrous.There is no more beautiful place on earth.

dd03
10-30-2008, 9:58 PM
Thanks for all your replies. I'll email him a link to this post.

shark92651
10-30-2008, 10:23 PM
Ludicrous.There is no more beautiful place on earth.

Yeah, that was a bit of a joke (hence the wink). I like it here, the weather can't be beat thats for sure.

SanSacto
10-30-2008, 10:53 PM
Just tell him to leave his 30 rounders behind, but the rifle is good to go as long as it is not listed.

No, just tell him to disassemble his 30 roundes before he crosses the border. Save them for parts or SHTF.

sorensen440
10-30-2008, 11:48 PM
No, just tell him to disassemble his 30 roundes before he crosses the border. Save them for parts or SHTF.

He would have no use for them as parts as he could never own hicaps under the current law

aplinker
10-31-2008, 8:04 AM
He would have no use for them as parts as he could never own hicaps under the current law

Parts for 10/30s

grammaton76
11-03-2008, 5:56 PM
He would have no use for them as parts as he could never own hicaps under the current law

Doesn't matter. There's nothing illegal about storing the parts for reassembly whenever he happens to be traveling out of state, provide he disassembles 'em again before re-entering CA.