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X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 12:34 PM
Rings and bases -- GG&G, NIGHTFORCE, LEUPOLD, SEEKINS, USO, BADGER, ARMS (have I left anyone out):

Tactical Marksmen -- which do you rank as best? Second best?

BONECUTTER
10-29-2008, 12:39 PM
Badger
USO
Leupold Mark 4 rings

Anything else I tend to stay away from.

Shane916
10-29-2008, 12:50 PM
From reading on these forums I have seen most recommend Seekins and Badger. I know for a fact I will be purchasing one of those two when the time comes.

X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 1:07 PM
And if you bought one and were unhappy -- why?
Thanks
This will help with three articles I'm doing.

Cypriss32
10-29-2008, 1:13 PM
Badger/Seekens
Nightforce
TPS
USO
Leupold
Arms
GG&G

All are good quality. I wouldnt use arms QD rings on a bolt gun thow.

Jicko
10-29-2008, 1:38 PM
Badger/Seekens
Nightforce
TPS
USO
Leupold
Arms
GG&G

All are good quality. I wouldnt use arms QD rings on a bolt gun thow.

What are you gonna use on your NEW USO? :-)

For bases & rings...

- Badger
- NF
- Seekins (if want to go AL, and light)

- TPS is just cheap, ZERO customer service

nobs11
10-29-2008, 2:07 PM
Badger. Supposed to have tightest tolerances. The rings are marked with serial numbers.

Also happy with NF.

Cypriss32
10-29-2008, 2:09 PM
I have all Badger Rings and Seekens Bases..... when I get the 35mm and 34mm scopes I will use Seekens rings too.

I beg the differe with TPs is crap. I pay 46.00 for there rings and they are the best for $$$$...

Shane916
10-29-2008, 2:17 PM
I also currently have TPS rings and base and have no complaints for the price. :)

5968
10-29-2008, 2:20 PM
I have a couple sets of Badger rings. I would highly recommend them. They are rock solid and look great. My only complaint is the price, but they are worth it.

X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 3:14 PM
NIghtforce arrives tomorrow for M700SS R-5 --

aplinker
10-29-2008, 3:33 PM
I've had some ARMS rings loosen up at the locking mechanism. I wouldn't recommend them. :mad:

BroncoBob
10-29-2008, 3:46 PM
Armalite has a nice scope mount. A little pricie but your scope will not move. I have one and it stays tight to the rail.

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=EX0022&Category=a14c8168-f1cf-4f11-8859-bafe17a66e1e%20&ret_url=Categories2.aspx?Category=a14c8168-f1cf-4f11-8859-bafe17a66e1e

cal3gunner
10-29-2008, 3:53 PM
I like the Larue setup. It hasn't failed me yet

///D
10-29-2008, 3:55 PM
Curious where Larue would fit into this application?

Timberwolf
10-29-2008, 4:00 PM
Badger rings and bases lead the way for me. After that I like Seekins, USO and TPS.

Full Clip
10-29-2008, 4:05 PM
I like my LaRue 30s:
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/catalog/P1012046.JPG

X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 4:12 PM
Those larues look weak. What makes the Badgers so good? Security? Construction? How are the Nightforce rings?

Has anyone had a ring FAILURE?

Timberwolf
10-29-2008, 4:27 PM
I don't really know how to answer you about why Badgers are the best except to say they are the std everyone else compares theirs too. Mine have been through hell and back (well as much hell as I can put them through in comps and schools) and have never had a failure of any type, even after I slammed into a wall with the rifle between me and the wall.

rksimple
10-29-2008, 4:36 PM
Seekins. All the quality of Badger, nice finish, lighter and cheaper.

Nightforce rings aren't quite as beefy, but most won't find that an issue. They're good rings.

TPS makes IOR rings. I had some that came with the IOR SH scope. I had to relieve them in a spot or two. Whether it was the fault of the rings or an out of whack receiver bridge (savage) I don't know. Definitely not Seekins or Badger quality, fit, and finish.

Often times a ring FAILURE won't be noticed, unless catastrophic. Why did your zero change .5 MOA after bouncing around on a quad? When you dinged the scope low crawling to the next stage (thanks, twolf) why do you now hit 1 MOA high? Or what happens when a competitor knocks your rifle over in the dirt right before your stage? I've done all of the above and then some. My seekins rings have held up perfectly holding the big a** S&B 5-25. I have not have a zero shift yet...knock on wood.

nobs11
10-29-2008, 5:18 PM
What makes the Badgers so good?

Here's an article.

http://www.snipercountry.com/InReviews/BadgerMounts.asp

virulosity
10-29-2008, 6:03 PM
I went out of my way to try and buy seekings rings but the owner never returned my calls or e-mails and never processed my order from his website. I got GG&G instead and I am pleased with the quality of the machining and the finish.

X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 6:40 PM
I will have Badger, GG&G, Seekins, Laupold and ARMS rings here in the house in a week. Two Bolt actions and one LMT AR to scope. Now I just have to get three 30mm scopes (if I can refinance my house)

cal3gunner
10-29-2008, 6:43 PM
This is the Larue that I use. You can tighten them down and they don't move. I pulled the mount/scope off my rifle the other day and mounted in on a 6.8 spc upper. Tested that upper then mounted the scope back on my upper. The point of impact didn't change.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/cal3gunner/P4224559.jpg

nobs11
10-29-2008, 6:49 PM
The point of impact didn't change.


Didn't change? Or didn't change much? At what distance? None of the QD mounts that I know of on the market can keep exact zero at 100 yd. Your POI will change by a few MOA at least.

X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 6:51 PM
I've seen those cantilevered mounts used quite well with Trijicon accupoints but how do they handle those 5-22X nightforce or US Optics SN-3s? It looks like they would vibrate more

cal3gunner
10-29-2008, 7:16 PM
For the point of impact change. We were shooting 10 inch steel targets out to 350 yards with a Trijicon 1.25-4 power accupoint. I hit the steel before and after we changed the scopes. On paper at 100 it was maybe an inch lower after the change. But that was with the Centurian 55 fjm ammo which shoots about a 2 inch group from my upper.

I wasn't doing a test to see what the mount would do, I was loaning my scope/mount to someone because he drove out to test his 6.8 and his scope broke and we could hear something rattling around inside it.


As far as it handling the nightforce and US Optics. I don't have experience with those scopes but I have seen people mount the 3-9 trijicon accupoint in the Larue and that worked.

Cypriss32
10-29-2008, 8:34 PM
Hit me up, Ill bring out the NF's the military ones I have, along with my new USO.

X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 10:04 PM
Adam -- which USO did you get? SN-3 T-Fal?
What gun are you putting it on?

X-NewYawker
10-29-2008, 10:05 PM
Adam -- which USO did you get? SN-3 T-Fal?
What gun are you putting it on?

Cypriss32
10-29-2008, 10:11 PM
Heres my 2 NF's 3.5-15x 50mm and 5.5-22x 50mm MLR's All sit in badger rings. The extra set I picked up for my new USO!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/adam5432002/Picsfrom10-3008008.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/adam5432002/Picsfrom10-3008009.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/adam5432002/Picsfrom10-3008007.jpg

Cypriss32
10-29-2008, 10:13 PM
I got a 3.2-17x 44mm Erik, Urgos, Lit red, Low pros, AO(not T-Pal) I dig the old school look of the non T-Pal. MDMOA ret too.... Im tempted to trade for the GAP/ Mil Erik setup. But it will be

Timberwolf
10-29-2008, 11:20 PM
When you dinged the scope low crawling to the next stage (thanks, twolf) why do you now hit 1 MOA high? Or what happens when a competitor knocks your rifle over in the dirt right before your stage? I've done all of the above and then some. My seekins rings have held up perfectly holding the big a** S&B 5-25. I have not have a zero shift yet...knock on wood.

LOL - didn't Pete also "test his optics" in that match?? For the record my Badger rings and Nikon scope got a few paint chips while testing that stage. not to mention my AICS stock. That plastic does gouge and scratch.

Seriously though I've had just about everyhting happen to my rifles, dropped, knocked over, drug through hell and back, even used as a climbing tool going up a very loose steep embankment and have never had to rezero after an oopsie. And yes I'm the untimate 300 lb gorilla when it comes to gear . . . just ask Randy at R & D . . . at last count I was the only one ever to break off his bolt knob.

cocorador
10-30-2008, 7:39 AM
Badger gets my vote. Nice, basic, strong. To bad Marty doesn't make 35 mm and 40 mm rings.As far as bases, I would get the ont attached to an M2008 action. Just kidding. badger as well on the base.

redcliff
10-30-2008, 12:58 PM
I'm very happy with my Leupold Mark 4 rings.

X-NewYawker
10-30-2008, 1:24 PM
NF 5.5-22xx50mm arrived with rings and base. Will mount this weekend when a machinist friend of mine is available (he LIKES to mount the scopes)

trinydex
10-30-2008, 1:29 PM
is there something special involved in mounting scopes?

Timberwolf
10-30-2008, 1:42 PM
is there something special involved in mounting scopes?

depends - on my competition rifles I normally mount them in the pressence of a Priest who then blesses it . . . .

Seriously there is a certain amount of precision etc involved in mounting scopes. I normally end up remounting one or two sets of rings and bases a weekend from people doing it wrong and then wondering why they can't get on paper.

X-NewYawker
10-30-2008, 1:58 PM
I am totally paranoid about the reticle being squared up properly. Sometimes I have to crank out five scoped rifles in an hour (on my lap) to get them to the range for pictures, a vertical crosshair that is 1% left or right makes me crazy. I have two friends who have fully equipped machine shops who make this a thing of pride. Since this is a gun I want to KEEP, I will bring in the anal retentives.

I have a nice collection of rings growing here, include a Kimpro DE finished set for my Kimber AT so I will pull the one inch scope off that gun and replace it with a 30mm...

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/_MG_5232.jpg

BTW -- Two factory rifles equipped with scopes shipped to me for testing had reticles that were almost 8% out of line.

PistolPete75
10-30-2008, 2:10 PM
LOL - didn't Pete also "test his optics" in that match?? For the record my Badger rings and Nikon scope got a few paint chips while testing that stage. not to mention my AICS stock. That plastic does gouge and scratch.

Seriously though I've had just about everyhting happen to my rifles, dropped, knocked over, drug through hell and back, even used as a climbing tool going up a very loose steep embankment and have never had to rezero after an oopsie. And yes I'm the untimate 300 lb gorilla when it comes to gear . . . just ask Randy at R & D . . . at last count I was the only one ever to break off his bolt knob.

My rifle has been dropped, in the sand, banged up, and scratched up. As long as my glass is fine, i'm good to go. Scoped never moved on me, and the rifle still shoots like I just got it back from the smith. Some like their rifles all pretty. I say if it's been scratched up, you know it's been properly used.

rksimple
10-30-2008, 2:15 PM
is there something special involved in mounting scopes?

Getting the reticle square is kind of important if you shoot long range. Here's (http://www.snipershide.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=25) an easy way to get it right.

trinydex
10-30-2008, 2:20 PM
depends - on my competition rifles I normally mount them in the pressence of a Priest who then blesses it . . . .

Seriously there is a certain amount of precision etc involved in mounting scopes. I normally end up remounting one or two sets of rings and bases a weekend from people doing it wrong and then wondering why they can't get on paper.

what's the right way?

I am totally paranoid about the reticle being squared up properly. Sometimes I have to crank out five scoped rifles in an hour (on my lap) to get them to the range for pictures, a vertical crosshair that is 1% left or right makes me crazy. I have two friends who have fully equipped machine shops who make this a thing of pride. Since this is a gun I want to KEEP, I will bring in the anal retentives.

I have a nice collection of rings growing here, include a Kimpro DE finished set for my Kimber AT so I will pull the one inch scope off that gun and replace it with a 30mm...

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/_MG_5232.jpg

BTW -- Two factory rifles equipped with scopes shipped to me for testing had reticles that were almost 8% out of line.

how does a machine shop help?

rksimple
10-30-2008, 2:21 PM
what's the right way?

Ask 5 people and get 5 different answers.

PistolPete75
10-30-2008, 2:27 PM
I simply use a benchrest bipod, then take the upper half of the rings off, then place the scope on the lower part of the rings, place upper ring on top, gently screw down till the scope barely moves, set the scope on low power, and look through scope and align with a corner of a neighbor's house. Then gently torque down going diagonly, like when changing a flat tire. Recheck again to make sure it's correctly aligned.

If your using new badger rings, make sure all the grease is taken off before installing scope.

This is the scare your neighbor, inexpensive route.

trinydex
10-30-2008, 2:33 PM
doesn't your bipod need to perfectly flat for that to be accurate?

PistolPete75
10-30-2008, 2:39 PM
Yes, make sure your on level ground plus using a benchrest bipod will keep things leveled. If your really want to make sure, then use a level to verify.

What I do after I mount the scope is I look at several different corners to make sure I'm good to go.

trinydex
10-30-2008, 2:41 PM
i'm starting to see why a machine shop would help

Jicko
10-30-2008, 2:44 PM
doesn't your bipod need to perfectly flat for that to be accurate?

That's when an USO anti-cant device would be handy!

http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/highres/629842.jpg

PistolPete75
10-30-2008, 2:45 PM
for certain things like chambering your own barrel it helps, but somethings are better to just buy and not have to spend your time machining like a picanny rail. if you have access to a cnc machine, then that's a whole new ballpark.

PistolPete75
10-30-2008, 2:47 PM
The uso cant device is a good product, but i seen joe simply machine a bubble into a stock. $5 vs $80

The exact same result for alot less money.

wildcard
10-30-2008, 2:48 PM
...and look through scope and align with a corner of a neighbor's house...

This is the scare your neighbor, inexpensive route.

Probably want to REALLY make sure your rifle is unloaded ;)

trinydex
10-30-2008, 2:49 PM
That's when an USO anti-cant device would be handy!

http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/highres/629842.jpg

do you leave that on all the time? or just for install? i've seen it on people's guns in pics but why keep it on while shooting?

Jicko
10-30-2008, 2:49 PM
The uso cant device is a good product, but i seen joe simply machine a bubble into a stock. $5 vs $80

The exact same result for alot less money.

I like the white wordings "U.S.OPTICS" :D

That's the only USO I can afford....

Jicko
10-30-2008, 2:51 PM
do you leave that on all the time? or just for install? i've seen it on people's guns in pics but why keep it on while shooting?

Leave it on ALL THE TIME! To make sure your rifle is not tilted. Sometimes optical illusion messes with you thinking the reticle is square, but it actually isn't.

PistolPete75
10-30-2008, 2:54 PM
Probably want to REALLY make sure your rifle is unloaded ;)

I double check my rifle b4 I leave the range, and I always use my chamber flag when in storage.

rksimple
10-30-2008, 2:54 PM
but why keep it on while shooting?

To make sure your rifle is level. If you've got some significant dope dialed on your rifle, canting it will cause inaccuracy. Imagine a square reticle on target. Now cant the rifle and bring it back onto target. Thats how far you'll miss.

PistolPete75
10-30-2008, 2:58 PM
I like the white wordings "U.S.OPTICS" :D

That's the only USO I can afford....

Dude you should have bought both of those SN3 that were up for sale the other day. $1,500! You won't see that again. Oh well.

Jicko
10-30-2008, 3:03 PM
Dude you should have bought both of those SN3 that were up for sale the other day. $1,500! You won't see that again. Oh well.

I KNOW...

Especially it is MY OWN "for sale" posting!!!!!! Missing out on your OWN FS postings is unforgivable!!!!!

trinydex
10-30-2008, 3:06 PM
I KNOW...

Especially it is MY OWN "for sale" posting!!!!!! Missing out on your OWN FS postings is unforgivable!!!!!

comedy

Cypriss32
10-30-2008, 4:17 PM
Ones mine now. Thanks J!

Jicko
10-30-2008, 4:38 PM
Ones mine now. Thanks J!

Yah, u owe me beer for that.... ;)

Cypriss32
10-30-2008, 4:49 PM
Ill get you a case BBQ at my place if it doesnt sell....

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 10:07 AM
I liked the Nightforce base -- just put it on my 5-R

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/NFBase.jpg

supersonic
11-02-2008, 10:52 AM
These ARE the best, bar none. But you WILL pay a hefty price for perfection. I know I did!!! Worth every $$$. Al Talbot is an advanced military engineer, and a very good guy (A+++++ C.S.) and I'm lucky I just happened to come across his product just by chance one day. Approx. 99% of these things go straight to Iraq for the M40 & M107:http://www.talbot.us/

jandmtv
11-02-2008, 11:01 AM
+1 for Nightforce! I have a Nightforce base on my Rem700 5R and it is really solid. Im using Seekins 35mm rings, and they are built like a tank.

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 11:08 AM
Waiting on Seekins rings. Have NF, Badger, GG&G and Leupold here already -- But three rifles to scope so I will be mixin' and matching.

jandmtv
11-02-2008, 11:11 AM
Waiting on Seekins rings. Have NF, Badger, GG&G and Leupold here already -- But three rifles to scope so I will be mixin' and matching.

Did you make sure the lug on the NF base was firmly against the receiver before you tightened the screws?

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 11:12 AM
Did you make sure the lug on the NF base was firmly against the receiver before you tightened the screws?

I hope so!

X-NewYawker
11-02-2008, 11:14 AM
:)
Yes.

jandmtv
11-02-2008, 11:18 AM
Cool, just checking. :)