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AlexF
10-29-2008, 4:07 AM
Hello everyone.

So I finally was able to convince my wife to let me keep a gun in the house!

This is my first firearm purchase and after a visit to Cold War Shooters, I ended up purchasing a Elk River ERTD AK-47. Chris at CWS said it's based on the Romanian model. Don't know much about the gun but it looks nice and was a decent price so I went for it. I'll be picking it up in 5 days and I want to be as prepared for it's arrival as possible. Needless to say I'm very excited:D

My question is: What advice do you guys have for a noob? Where should I get my ammo? What's the best procedure for cleaning and lubing these babys? Where are good places to purchase accessories for AK's? I'd like to put a rail and a laser on it.

So far, I'm looking online on various AK sites and have downloaded some generic manuals. So, any advice would be MUCH appreciated.

Thank's and I'm glad to have found this forum!

Alex

TurboFall
10-29-2008, 4:36 AM
Cheapest ammo is found online, and AK's aren't picky about what you feed them. Grab a case of Wolf or Brown Bear (whatever's cheapest) and go shoot that bad boy!:cool:

AlexF
10-29-2008, 4:49 AM
Copy that, purchase ammo online and go for what's cheap. Thanks TurboFall, your advice is echoed by most of what I've researched so far.

Another question: AK friendly gun range closest to the Glendale/Burbank area, any ideas?

Alex

jlh95811
10-29-2008, 5:00 AM
ammoman.com has 1000 round case shipped for $209
I would not recommend a laser though. I say get a holosight instead.
You can find MANY disassembly, cleaning, and reassembly tutorials online for free.

AlexF
10-29-2008, 5:32 AM
Looking at various holosights at the moment....prices on ebay seem to range from $30 all the way to several hundred:eek:

OK, so what's the easiest way to mount a scope on an AK?

I found this: http://dpharms.com/ak-scope-mount-mnt970tr-p-264.html?osCsid=46f1b03abd23eccfb5601897ef9016c0

Any thoughts?

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 6:21 AM
I found this: http://dpharms.com/ak-scope-mount-mnt970tr-p-264.html?osCsid=46f1b03abd23eccfb5601897ef9016c0

Any thoughts?


Honestly, junk. When I bought my first AK last year I tried one of these. It was loose when mounted and did not hold zero at all. Don't bother.

Not cheap but this is a great solution that is easy to install:

http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=299

http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/images/stories/news/art/products/l/larue_irondot_full_370_larue.jpg
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=134

AlexF
10-29-2008, 6:47 AM
It was loose when mounted and did not hold zero at all.

Well, that defeats the whole purpose. Thanks for the heads up.


Not cheap but this is a great solution that is easy to install:

http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=299



Hmmm, not cheap at all. Is this really my best option? If it is, I can save up and get it. Is there anything more affordable?

WokMaster1
10-29-2008, 6:53 AM
Looking at various holosights at the moment....prices on ebay seem to range from $30 all the way to several hundred:eek:

OK, so what's the easiest way to mount a scope on an AK?

I found this: http://dpharms.com/ak-scope-mount-mnt970tr-p-264.html?osCsid=46f1b03abd23eccfb5601897ef9016c0

Any thoughts?

don't waste your $$$$$ on sights. The AK you got is a good base AK. Learn to shoot with it, understand & love it like your woman. Then get more & better ones. Spend some money on getting at least a couple of AR lower receivers & build those too. Welcome to the unending addiction of owning firearms. Oh, don't forget about the wife. Get her involved so you can have an informed spouse who will not freak out but support & love you.

akjunkie
10-29-2008, 7:05 AM
i have the EKP-1S-03M Kobra on my Bulgarian AK. worth every penny.
these are Russian tested, combat red dots.

http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/collimator.html

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 7:05 AM
Just buy a Mojo rear peep sight if you don't want to buy an optic. It is a HUGE improvement over the basic AK sights.

http://www.mojosights.com/

+1 on getting your spouse involved. My wife now goes with us on every range trip with her tacticool .22. She now wants her own AK!

akjunkie
10-29-2008, 7:09 AM
how bout this. adjustable windage and longer site radius.

http://akpartskits.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=19&zenid=0002153f3b25ebbc16b18eb36cec3334

AlexF
10-29-2008, 7:12 AM
don't waste your $$$$$ on sights. The AK you got is a good base AK. Learn to shoot with it, understand & love it like your woman. Then get more & better ones. Spend some money on getting at least a couple of AR lower receivers & build those too. Welcome to the unending addiction of owning firearms. Oh, don't forget about the wife. Get her involved so you can have an informed spouse who will not freak out but support & love you.

Yeah, let me tell you, I've been married for 5 years and my wife used to be VERY anti-gun. Not because she had a logical reason to be anti-gun but because it's how she was raised. At first I could not even bring the subject up without an argument breaking out. Well I kept at it....little by little.....went to visit some family and got her to shoot a .22 rifle......kept working on her and this summer got her shooting a shotgun......and she loved it, even let me snap some pics.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/fraustosound/SKTNa5kOoNI/AAAAAAAABfc/4GzRltAMw0o/s400/P1010050.JPG


I agree with purchasing some lowers, the guy at CWS was saying that if you own the lower, you own the whole gun. I'm actually picking the AK up the day before the elections.....kinda symbolic.

And believe me, this will not be my only rifle. AR's are nice but I just love the way AK's look. I can't wait to get some skills and be able to build my own top of the line Kalashnikov.

AlexF
10-29-2008, 7:16 AM
i have the EKP-1S-03M Kobra on my Bulgarian AK. worth every penny.
these are Russian tested, combat red dots.

http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/collimator.html

Price? I don't see pricing on the link you provided.

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 7:20 AM
how bout this. adjustable windage and longer site radius.

http://akpartskits.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=19&zenid=0002153f3b25ebbc16b18eb36cec3334

Interesting. If the top cover doesn't move around excessively, that might be a good solution. I have a Saiga 12 conversion on order with the H&K sights. The rear sight is welded to the top cover. Any looseness of the cover would be much more detrimental to accuracy on a rifle than a shotgun.

On the spouse involvement, here's my wife with our SVT-40. It's bigger than she is! She has been acting as rangemaster on some of our trips and she does it right!

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g302/impactco/mrvsv1t.jpg

AlexF
10-29-2008, 7:20 AM
Just buy a Mojo rear peep sight if you don't want to buy an optic. It is a HUGE improvement over the basic AK sights.

http://www.mojosights.com/

+1 on getting your spouse involved. My wife now goes with us on every range trip with her tacticool .22. She now wants her own AK!

Simple....good price too. I'll keep this one in mind as well.

Yeah, I'm realizing that whether male or female, the only reason a person is anti-gun is because of FEAR. Once they get past their irrational fear, it's all good.

akjunkie
10-29-2008, 7:20 AM
U need to contact Tantal. he'll email the most current Price List.

akjunkie
10-29-2008, 7:23 AM
Interesting. If the top cover doesn't move around excessively, that might be a good solution. I have a Saiga 12 conversion on order with the H&K sights. The rear sight is welded to the top cover. Any looseness of the cover would be more detrimental to accuracy on a rifle than a shotgun i would think.


Go ahead and wiggle your dust cover.
How much does it move?
Which way does it move?
does the recoil spring hold it down Reasonably tight?
i wouldnt recommend a glass optic but a Red dot for under 200M engagements should be fine.

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 7:27 AM
Price? I don't see pricing on the link you provided.

Does your AK have a side rail? Necessary for those.

Looks that pricing is "on request" with that vendor.

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 7:31 AM
Nobody mentioned the Ultimak. Aside from potential of frying your optic under rapid fire, it is a great mounting solution:

http://www.ultimak.com/

http://www.ultimak.com/gallery/MaadiACR2.jpg

AlexF
10-29-2008, 7:34 AM
On the spouse involvement, here's my wife with our SVT-40. It's bigger than she is! She has been acting as rangemaster on some of our trips and she does it right!


Awesome! I've noticed that learning to shoot has some interesting effects on a lady's confidence too!

Funny story, my wife is a big sci-fi freak and one of her favorite shows is Stargate SG-1. Well, she mentioned to me once how cool the guns they use on the show are. Imagine her surprise when I informed her they are P90's and they actually exist! I told her they sell them at Cold War Shooters and now she wants to come with me when I go pick up the AK. I'll snap some pics of her posing with it. Heh, women are funny.

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 7:37 AM
now she wants to come with me when I go pick up the AK.

It's going to get expensive!

AlexF
10-29-2008, 7:39 AM
Does your AK have a side rail? Necessary for those.


Good question, I'll let you know when I pick it up:D

It's going to get expensive!


Rather she spend on a gun than clothes and shoes!

hybridatsun350
10-29-2008, 7:44 AM
As far as ammo goes, I ordered a 700rd can of Hot Shot 7.62x39 from AIMsurplus (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Hot_Shot_7.62x39_123grn_FMJ.html). Everything I've read about it has been good, and it seems like good stuff from my personal experience. At only 18.5 cents/round before shipping your doing pretty good!

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 7:47 AM
Just make sure that the ammo you purchase is acceptable to shoot at the range you frequent. Many outdoor ranges do not allow any steel content in the bullet. Check the projectile with a small magnet to verify. The Hot Shot will not pass this test.

AlexF
10-29-2008, 7:51 AM
As far as ammo goes, I ordered a 700rd can of Hot Shot 7.62x39 from AIMsurplus (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Hot_Shot_7.62x39_123grn_FMJ.html). Everything I've read about it has been good, and it seems like good stuff from my personal experience. At only 18.5 cents/round before shipping your doing pretty good!

Good price, It comes in a can AND it's Romanian, nice.

Just make sure that the ammo you purchase is acceptable to shoot at the range you frequent. Many outdoor ranges do not allow any steel content in the bullet. Check the projectile with a small magnet to verify. The Hot Shot will not pass this test.

Ahhhh.....leave the magnetic bullets at home then.

motorhead
10-29-2008, 8:32 AM
copes has golden tiger for $3.99 w/flat rate shipping if you don't want a large quantity of ammo. they have the yugo brass cased LEAD CORE for $9.99/40. if you need non magnetic this is it.
ak top cover is not stable enough for optics. siderail or beryl mount. i have the topcover peep from blackie's but haven't tried it out yet.

RedDawn
10-29-2008, 8:48 AM
Copy that, purchase ammo online and go for what's cheap. Thanks TurboFall, your advice is echoed by most of what I've researched so far.

Another question: AK friendly gun range closest to the Glendale/Burbank area, any ideas?

Alex

Welcome to CalGuns,

Once you've got the ammo and have read up on some basic operations of your AK, head out to Angeles Shooting Range. They're nice guys there and won't give you any beef about what you're shooting as long as you follow their range rules and keep everything safe.
http://www.angelesranges.com/

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 8:49 AM
Please note that the Yugo ammo is corrosive.

AlexF
10-29-2008, 9:10 AM
Welcome to CalGuns,

Once you've got the ammo and have read up on some basic operations of your AK, head out to Angeles Shooting Range. They're nice guys there and won't give you any beef about what you're shooting as long as you follow their range rules and keep everything safe.
http://www.angelesranges.com/

Wow, they are literally down the street from me! Convenient......and problematic at the same time:D

kalieracer
10-29-2008, 9:43 AM
Hello everyone.

So I finally was able to convince my wife to let me keep a gun in the house!

This is my first firearm purchase and after a visit to Cold War Shooters, I ended up purchasing a Elk River ERTD AK-47. Chris at CWS said it's based on the Romanian model. Don't know much about the gun but it looks nice and was a decent price so I went for it. I'll be picking it up in 5 days and I want to be as prepared for it's arrival as possible. Needless to say I'm very excited:D

My question is: What advice do you guys have for a noob? Where should I get my ammo? What's the best procedure for cleaning and lubing these babys? Where are good places to purchase accessories for AK's? I'd like to put a rail and a laser on it.

So far, I'm looking online on various AK sites and have downloaded some generic manuals. So, any advice would be MUCH appreciated.

Thank's and I'm glad to have found this forum!

Alex


Congrats on the ELK River...

akjunkie
10-29-2008, 10:15 AM
Does your AK have a side rail? Necessary for those.

Looks that pricing is "on request" with that vendor.

Yes, i have a side rail.

Yes, pricing is on Request.. contact Tantal and he'll email you his Complete Price List.

(ps: drilling holes on the side of the receiver for the side mount isnt that hard)

akjunkie
10-29-2008, 10:18 AM
Nobody mentioned the Ultimak. Aside from potential of frying your optic under rapid fire, it is a great mounting solution:

http://www.ultimak.com/

http://www.ultimak.com/gallery/MaadiACR2.jpg

How bout these guys? i have one of their mount on my SKS with Red Dot.

http://scoutscopes.com/gallery.html

elSquid
10-29-2008, 10:46 AM
U need to contact Tantal. he'll email the most current Price List.

FWIW.... I received a copy of the price list last night.

He's low on inventory. No Kobras at all. Most of the PK sights are out of stock as well.

He's waiting for a big shipment to arrive; so until then pickings are pretty slim.

-- Michael

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 12:21 PM
Yes, i have a side rail.


I know you do. Question was posed for the OP.

M. Sage
10-29-2008, 12:32 PM
Nobody mentioned the Ultimak. Aside from potential of frying your optic under rapid fire, it is a great mounting solution:

http://www.ultimak.com/

http://www.ultimak.com/gallery/MaadiACR2.jpg

Nah, the top handguard doesn't get that hot. I think an Ultimak is pretty safe for optics.

I also like the LaRue you posted up there. I've seen 'em in real life, but not had a chance to mess with them.

Aimpoints are about perfect for an AK with a low-sitting mount like an Ultimak or low-rise side mount.

Don't go cheap on optics, you'll always regret it later.

And I also have a Mojo rear sight on my AK. I wouldn't trust a cover-mounted sight. On a shotgun is a little different situation, though...

EBR Works
10-29-2008, 12:35 PM
Don't go cheap on optics, you'll always regret it later.

Been there and done that. I'm a believer!

aplinker
10-29-2008, 2:00 PM
First off, any cheap ammo out there will be magnetic and not allowed at Angeles. You'll need to buy something like Wolf Gold, Prvi, or other brass cased, non-magnetic projectile ammo. Either that, or go to a different range (there aren't many in the LA area that allow magnetic ammo).

+1 on all of this Sage advice below ;)

You won't be able to do any reasonable solution for less than the cost of the LaRue. My top choice is an Ultimak with an Aimpoint - it allows cowitness, as well, with a more rugged optic. Aimpoints are far more heat resistant than an EOTech. The Kobra only affords a chin weld (extremely high).

If you want to go cheaper the Beryl-style rail at Addax tactical would work. Rails directly mounted to the top cover will move, leading to inaccuracy.

I honestly, with an AK, would shoot the irons for a while.




Nah, the top handguard doesn't get that hot. I think an Ultimak is pretty safe for optics.

I also like the LaRue you posted up there. I've seen 'em in real life, but not had a chance to mess with them.

Aimpoints are about perfect for an AK with a low-sitting mount like an Ultimak or low-rise side mount.

Don't go cheap on optics, you'll always regret it later.

And I also have a Mojo rear sight on my AK. I wouldn't trust a cover-mounted sight. On a shotgun is a little different situation, though...

Addax
10-30-2008, 12:24 AM
Hi AlexF,

We have allot of accessories for AK type rifles.

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=2

If you want to come by the shop, we are located in Chatsworth.

Thanks,
Chris



Hello everyone.

So I finally was able to convince my wife to let me keep a gun in the house!

This is my first firearm purchase and after a visit to Cold War Shooters, I ended up purchasing a Elk River ERTD AK-47. Chris at CWS said it's based on the Romanian model. Don't know much about the gun but it looks nice and was a decent price so I went for it. I'll be picking it up in 5 days and I want to be as prepared for it's arrival as possible. Needless to say I'm very excited:D

My question is: What advice do you guys have for a noob? Where should I get my ammo? What's the best procedure for cleaning and lubing these babys? Where are good places to purchase accessories for AK's? I'd like to put a rail and a laser on it.

So far, I'm looking online on various AK sites and have downloaded some generic manuals. So, any advice would be MUCH appreciated.

Thank's and I'm glad to have found this forum!

Alex