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Exodus343
12-27-2016, 7:09 PM
Not including the cost per round because I plan on reloading lead bullets

Which one would you guys go with for

1) fun factor
2) brush gun
3) other outdoor uses

Thinking of either a marlin 1895G or a 336W

Divernhunter
12-27-2016, 7:13 PM
45-70 is always fun.

MrElectric03
12-27-2016, 7:30 PM
What kind of outdoor uses and brush gun activities?

You want to show off to your friends or fun gun as maybe fast action shooting? 45-70 kicks like a mule and you won't be doing any action shooting with it. .30-30 however is very fun.

Exodus343
12-27-2016, 7:33 PM
Camping and hiking
And just something to have incase wildlife happens
Nothing planned in Alaska so I know I'm not undergunned

pacrat
12-27-2016, 7:33 PM
All around, go 30-30.

JM2c

AGGRO
12-27-2016, 7:51 PM
Brush gun, kind of false. Winchester for the win.

DannyInSoCal
12-27-2016, 7:57 PM
45-70 because you can also buy a revolver and share ammo between them.

The stainless "Jurassic Park" 45-70 lever is keeping me up at night..........

Religious Shooter
12-27-2016, 9:02 PM
Currently have a 45-70. But looking to add a 30-30... just because.

Since you reload, recoil really isn't a factor since you can download to your heart's content.

45-70 is straight wall. You generally will not need to trim the cases. 30-30 being a bottle neck, the cases will tend to grow. So you will eventually have to trim them.

1895G with the shorter barrel will be a tiny bit handier in the brush than a 336W.

So from your list... fun factor is the same. Brush gun... I'd say the 1895G 45-70 will be handier than the 20" 336W. Other outdoor uses... 45-70 can be loaded to a wider power range than the 30-30.

If I only had to have one I'd pick the 45-70.

Exodus343
12-27-2016, 9:06 PM
Currently have a 45-70. But looking to add a 30-30... just because.

Since you reload, recoil really isn't a factor since you can download to your heart's content.

45-70 is straight wall. You generally will not need to trim the cases. 30-30 being a bottle neck, the cases will tend to grow. So you will eventually have to trim them.

1895G with the shorter barrel will be a tiny bit handier in the brush than a 336W.

So from your list... fun factor is the same. Brush gun... I'd say the 1895G 45-70 will be handier than the 20" 336W. Other outdoor uses... 45-70 can be loaded to a wider power range than the 30-30.

If I only had to have one I'd pick the 45-70.

It just so happens I'm eyeing a 1895G at one of my LGS's!

Whiterabbit
12-27-2016, 9:08 PM
brush gun, outdoor uses?

Whichever one who's gun you wouldn't mind dropping in the mud that one time accidentally. I would be partial to 45/70.

But you can get a 30/30 revolver too ;)

TMB 1
12-27-2016, 9:26 PM
I'd start with the 30-30 but you'll probably end up getting both eventually.

I did.:)

JagerDog
12-27-2016, 9:34 PM
I went 45-70. Big slow bullets are fun. Medium sized slow bullets, not as fun.

Downloaded with 300'ish grain bullets it's not too bad on the shoulder. Even 405's to std pressure specs. Load to Marlin "max" and it barks...but can take out a charging buffalo.

For sheer fun, my 1894C in 357 wins.

Cincinnatus
12-27-2016, 9:40 PM
.45-70 FTW. More fun, especially when you let other people shoot it.

scamp62
12-27-2016, 9:51 PM
45-70 all day long !

ptmn
12-28-2016, 9:15 AM
I reload both, so from a practical stand point, I'd say go with the 30-30...but from pure fun stand point, the 45-70 is pretty awesome.

mjmagee67
12-28-2016, 10:23 AM
Monkey Wrench time 38Spc/357Mag lever gun! I would say 44Spc/44Mag but 38Spc/357 Mag is so plentiful and easy to find.

Sigsour7
12-28-2016, 11:01 AM
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NapalmCheese
12-28-2016, 11:09 AM
.30-30

5-6 grains of Red Dot + the cheapest cast bullet you can make or find = cheaper fun than a .45-70 that has been minimally loaded (all that extra lead costs money!).

Then again, the .45-70 is easier/better for playing around with black powder.

Exodus343
12-28-2016, 11:29 AM
Getting the 45-70
Since I'm getting a 1895G for $600 OTD

30-30 will come after

Both!

Carcassonne
12-28-2016, 3:32 PM
Not including the cost per round because I plan on reloading lead bullets

Which one would you guys go with for

1) fun factor
2) brush gun
3) other outdoor uses

Thinking of either a marlin 1895G or a 336W


1) fun factor - it depends on what you think is fun. Probably the 30-30. You can shoot it more.
2) brush gun - big bore all the way
3) other outdoor uses - ????


I personally don't see any reason to have a 30-30, unless you want to be nostalgic. There is an old saying that the 30-30 has taken more game in the U.S. than any other cartridge, but I think that is bunk. A 30-30 will kick less than a 45-70. 30-30 (reloading) bullets will be less money than 45 cal bullets - especially with the new no-lead hunting laws being passed.


I have a 450 Marlin Guide Gun (1895G) which is basically a replacement of the 45-70. The 450 Marlin has stronger brass, and SAAMI specifications allow for higher pressure. You can load a 45-70 to the same specs as a 450 Marlin, but you can only fire the cartridge in modern guns like Marlins. SAAMI spec for 45-70 is low to allow the cartridge to safely be used in guns made in the 1800's. 45-70 brass is weak/thin. You will ding it up easily. You have to guide each brass piece into the sizing die, because if you are a little bit off, the lip will bend. I sold my 45-70 because I got tired of having to baby the brass when reloading.

I also have a 444, and I use to have a 45-70. I prefer big bore guns for busting through brush.


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63j300
12-28-2016, 5:18 PM
Have somebody with both take you to the range shoot both at a paper target look at the holes then you decide. Nothing like the hole from a 45/70. :D:D

Also go over to the Marlin owners fourm and do some looking around they have 336 and 45/70 fourms.

JMP
01-02-2017, 5:14 PM
You can use my 458 WM.

Bumslie
01-02-2017, 7:04 PM
.30-30

5-6 grains of Red Dot + the cheapest cast bullet you can make or find = cheaper fun than a .45-70 that has been minimally loaded (all that extra lead costs money!).

Then again, the .45-70 is easier/better for playing around with black powder.

2gr of 700x with a 45gr round ball :)

I vote 30-30

rromeo
01-02-2017, 7:30 PM
I'd suggest a 444. I'd also suggest that if you get a 30-30, get a 336C with the real walnut instead of the 336W with the stained laminated birch.

Mroldfashioned
01-02-2017, 7:50 PM
Why choose?

Start with one , then get the other.

Tom-ADC
01-03-2017, 3:06 PM
PM sent to OP have a JM 336W thinking of selling.

elmontemike
01-03-2017, 6:07 PM
I have 2 30-30 and 2 45-70. I always take 1 of my 45-70 to the range with me. The 30-30 haven't been out in years. Like others have said if you reload you can come up with a load of your liking. After shooting my 45-70 2 of my fiends went out and bought 1 for themselves.
45-70 = pure fun

:party:

Vacaville
01-03-2017, 6:09 PM
I love my 336W 30-30.

Jimmy's
01-03-2017, 6:13 PM
35 Remington or 375 Winchester if you can find one.

pigpen66m
01-05-2017, 5:46 PM
Did you get the 45-70? I have both 30-30 and 45-70. Just supply the ammo and I'll take them with me to the LAX shoot on the 11th.

Dnele928
01-05-2017, 5:54 PM
For 30-30, check out the Hornady Leverevolution ammo. Turns a 30-30 into a 200+ yard shooter.

They sell the powder and bulllets if you opt to reload.

BABUSA
01-05-2017, 6:05 PM
45-70....I have 8 Marlin 1895's

Get one, you will LOVE IT !!!!!!

M1NM
01-05-2017, 8:33 PM
Reloading with lead bullets go for the 45-70. The 30-30 is a lot faster and could have leading problems.

RogerOrange
01-06-2017, 8:22 AM
I am thinking about getting one of these in 45-70 to shoot at steel silhouettes up to 500 yards :-)

Henry Single Shot Rifle (https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/)

Tom-ADC
01-06-2017, 8:34 AM
I am thinking about getting one of these in 45-70 to shoot at steel silhouettes up to 500 yards :-)

Henry Single Shot Rifle (https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/)

Mine a Pedersoli 1874 Sharps Silhouette

http://www.cherrys.com/pedpics/s782a.jpg

RogerOrange
01-06-2017, 3:33 PM
Nice but way more expensive.
Want to give this Henry a try and if I really like it have one custom made by these guys :-)

C Charps (http://csharpsarms.com/catalog-category/1/Rifles.html?page=0)

Tom-ADC
01-06-2017, 5:05 PM
I agree but I've had this one for ages. My only concern with the Henry is barrel length and weight. What weight bullet are you planning to shoot?

RogerOrange
01-06-2017, 6:05 PM
Anything that knocks over a steel target ;-)

Tom-ADC
01-06-2017, 6:49 PM
Anything that knocks over a steel target ;-)

True and I agree, but usually in 45-70 at steel targets at 500+ yards wimpy bullets don't get the job done and heavy bullets in a 6 pound rifle is okay for a round or two but recoil is heavy. What I'd look for is a H&R Buffalo Classic nice heavy barrel, great sights, had one in 38-55 should have kept it.