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d.b.cooper
12-23-2016, 7:41 PM
I am going to treat myself and buy a new 1911 I like stainless (a must) ,checkered front, and a rail(optional) Iam looking at the kimber TLE/II R,
sig stainless Rail, bolth running around $950-$1000 or for a hundred and fifty bucks less the sprigfield stainless loaded no checkers or rail, give me some input please, now that the the gun stores don't have a waiting line

Nor*Cal
12-23-2016, 7:45 PM
I think you would be happy with any of those choices. My preference however would be Springfield but no front checkering is a deal breaker for me.

My recommendation would be to save a little more and buy yourself the Stainless TRP. You will not regret it!

My 2nd choice would be the SIG.

Good luck.

xfile
12-23-2016, 7:52 PM
Springer.... all day

Malmon
12-23-2016, 8:00 PM
I recommend the Kimber. I had lots of springfield armory 1911's, actually still have one left but hopefully I can sell it soon. They are good guns but I like the way Kimber for its looks and function. Had a couple of Sig 1911's and still have one left in 9mm, they are good guns as well but slide to frame fit are as loose as colts.

rm1911
12-23-2016, 8:06 PM
Springer.... all day


X1000

Love my stainless loaded. I'm not a fan of all the extras like rails and checkering and all that. The loaded has everything that's needed and nothing that isn't. And it shoots amazing.

d.b.cooper
12-23-2016, 8:27 PM
O.K. let me one-up this, are 2 springer mil-spects worth one trp ? now i'm up in the $1500 range. not a bid deal it just takes away from my budget buying other stuff i don't really need

Barbarosa
12-23-2016, 9:01 PM
O.K. let me one-up this, are 2 springer mil-spects worth one trp ? now i'm up in the $1500 range. not a bid deal it just takes away from my budget buying other stuff i don't really need

Can't you just use the money you got when you jumped out of the airplane?

Jabroni619
12-23-2016, 10:02 PM
I love Sigs but for 1911s Springfield all day. I've got an MC operator that shoots beautifully. In my hands it shoots just as well as my Nighthawk.

aklon
12-23-2016, 10:54 PM
I've got an MC operator that shoots beautifully. In my hands it shoots just as well as my Nighthawk.

Most interesting. I've been eyeing a Nighthawk GRP but I'm keenly aware I don't have a Springfield in the 1911 collection.

I'm also keenly aware I can't fork over three grand plus right now, so the Nighthawk will have to wait.

The Operator, though ...

tinman1975
12-23-2016, 11:12 PM
If your budget allows it, I would stalk the marketplace for a used TRP. They pop up from time to time for 1150-1200ish. I have one and love it. Have shot a friends kimber and was a bit underwhelmed.....not a bad gun, but I think the springfields are a better gun for your money.

d.b.cooper
12-24-2016, 9:45 AM
O.K. thanks , let's throw out a used one. a new trp would cost $14-1500 would I now consider a dan wesson for the same price range or would I be wise to throw in a another $300 and go with the lea baer ? tough decisions !

midvalleyshooter
12-24-2016, 9:54 AM
I have owned two of your three choices and also a TRP. I have not owned a Sig. You can't go wrong with the Springfield or Kimber IMO.

I have a Kimber TLE in stainless and it runs as well and is as accurate as any production 1911 I have shot. This model also comes with night sights if that interests you.

IVC
12-24-2016, 9:59 AM
You'll run into fanboys here, so take it with a grain of salt.

I will point out that "Sig 1911" is slightly non-standard, so some parts are not interchangeable (I believe it might be just the extractor, someone correct me).

Kimbers had some QC issues, but I believe they have been resolved. I have a few (including a bolt rifle) and they are nice and well built guns.

Springfield has great reputation for both guns and customer service, but there were some lemons too. My EMP had a superficial problem or two (front sight pin coming out under recoil, stuck firing pin - needed cleaning) that were easily fixed - it's a great gun and I like it a lot (minus the disassembly, but that's another story).

Overall, you can't go wrong. Pick the one you like and that fits you best.

hotrail
12-24-2016, 10:29 AM
I have a Springfield and a Sig and just got a Kimber in 9mm. I am really pleased with how well it shoots. Of course there is the benefit of lesser recoil with the 9mm. Anyway you cannot go wrong with any of the three and I think it comes down to personal preference about the few features that differ. If the Springfield is $150 less I would go with it and use the savings to buy some extra rounds because you are going to want to shoot it a lot.

EXTREMEOPS1
12-24-2016, 10:40 AM
I recommend the Kimber. I had lots of springfield armory 1911's, actually still have one left but hopefully I can sell it soon. They are good guns but I like the way Kimber for its looks and function. Had a couple of Sig 1911's and still have one left in 9mm, they are good guns as well but slide to frame fit are as loose as colts. Kimber is far superior in quality to the springfield ....kimber all the way

XDJYo
12-24-2016, 10:41 AM
If you must have a rail, check out the MC Operator from Springfield. All it needs is grip tape on the front strap. I love my Loaded. I love my Les Baer way better morely. ;)

Nor*Cal
12-24-2016, 11:25 AM
Kimber is far superior in quality to the springfield ....kimber all the way

Said no one ever.

XDJYo
12-24-2016, 11:32 AM
You'll run into fanboys here, so take it with a grain of salt.



I will point out that "Sig 1911" is slightly non-standard, so some parts are not interchangeable (I believe it might be just the extractor, someone correct me.



The Sig has an external extractor and a firing pin safety. It also has a different slide than normal 1911's.

Of the three, the Springfield is the only one that has a traditional firing pin (lacks a firing pin safety). It has fewer parts and some say easier to do a trigger job on.

Those are some of the reasons why I chose a Springfield.

tinman1975
12-24-2016, 12:04 PM
O.K. thanks , let's throw out a used one. a new trp would cost $14-1500 would I now consider a dan wesson for the same price range or would I be wise to throw in a another $300 and go with the lea baer ? tough decisions !

I have 2 Baers also..great guns, but with the recent price increase I think you are going to be hard pressed to find one in California under 2 grand brand new....especially if you are trying to go stainless. Also, I may have gotten an exceptional quality TRP, but I don't think the Baers are 600 bucks better than the TRP. But again... I wouldn't rule out a used 1911... There are great deals to be had out there

Blade Gunner
12-24-2016, 12:12 PM
Kimber or Sig.

d.b.cooper
12-24-2016, 1:16 PM
O.K. so where does tha dan wesson stand in this discussion ?

TurboChrisB
12-24-2016, 1:37 PM
Had a couple of Sig 1911's and still have one left in 9mm, they are good guns as well but slide to frame fit are as loose as colts.

Hmmm, Why did you purchase "loose" Sigs?

I have all the above mentioned 1911's and my Sig is just as tight as the kimber and SA. I've also fingered another half dozen sigs none of them displayed any "looseness". I certainly would NOT say that looseness is a "trait" of Sig 1911's as you're inferring and would NOT decline to purchase one because one guy said they are "loose as colts"

Regardless, slide to frame fit is not as important as most think and should not be used to judge the quality of a gun.

Malmon
12-24-2016, 2:02 PM
Hmmm, Why did you purchase "loose" Sigs?

I have all the above mentioned 1911's and my Sig is just as tight as the kimber and SA. I've also fingered another half dozen sigs none of them displayed any "looseness". I certainly would NOT say that looseness is a "trait" of Sig 1911's as you're inferring and would NOT decline to purchase one because one guy said they are "loose as colts"

Regardless, slide to frame fit is not as important as most think and should not be used to judge the quality of a gun.

Both sig 1911's that I had have the colt rattle. It may not be important to you but a lot of 1911 enthusiasts prefer a tighter slide to frame fit.

And one guy claiming to have fingered half a dozen Sig 1911's is kind of hard to believe unless he works in a gun store.

IVC
12-24-2016, 2:26 PM
O.K. so where does tha dan wesson stand in this discussion ?

They are high quality guns in roughly the same range as the rest. You can't go wrong with one.

d.b.cooper
12-24-2016, 3:18 PM
by the way I have a whole lot of vintage 20 dollar bills I will trade for face value

IVC
12-24-2016, 3:59 PM
by the way I have a whole lot of vintage 20 dollar bills I will trade for face value

And I stayed at the Motel 6 once, but the price of tea in China in the morning was blue, so butterfly.

d.b.cooper
12-25-2016, 9:52 AM
IVC obviously dos'nt know the legend of d.b.cooper

Steponmytoes
12-25-2016, 12:26 PM
Personally, the external extractor on the Sig 1911's bother me a lot. Apparently they make the gun more reliable but it just aint a 1911 in my opinion. Springfield TRP is great no doubt but putting the word tactical on a pistol is just poor taste. Kimber guns look good but has had qc issues...especially the series ii guns, so not too great either...

I would look for a used kimber series 1, saw a stainless in san diego going for 750 just a week ago

SonofWWIIDI
12-25-2016, 12:36 PM
Kimber, Springfield, or sig sauer..

Yes!
:D

smokeyfs
12-25-2016, 12:47 PM
Sig

GlockN'Roll
12-25-2016, 12:54 PM
First, if it is your first, last or only 1911 buy the exact gun you want.

Second, 1911's are like love birds, they really aren't happy alone. :D

The SIG is mostly a 1911 and IMO that impacts its' resale value.

Finally, All great choices, but it would be a Springer or Kimber for me.

Don't ignore the used 1911 market...

HK416
12-25-2016, 1:07 PM
Springfield.... not even a close

IVC
12-25-2016, 1:32 PM
IVC obviously dos'nt know the legend of d.b.cooper

Didn't connect the dots since "Cooper" is a common name and I rarely look for meaning in the username. Now I get it...

TurboChrisB
12-25-2016, 4:09 PM
Personally, the external extractor on the Sig 1911's bother me a lot. Apparently they make the gun more reliable but it just aint a 1911 in my opinion.

So would you pass on a AR because it had a gas piston system?

I mean, I get it...it's a 1911 style pistol or a 1911 based pistol. I guess I'm just glad I'm not a purist as I really like my Sig Emperor Scorpion.

Libertarian71
12-25-2016, 8:43 PM
Springfield.... not even a close

This.

MosinVirus
12-25-2016, 9:16 PM
Thought I replied to this, but apparently not.

I would base my search for a 1911 on the following:

Reputation of manufacturer
Time they've been building 1911s
Are they keeping with spec (reason I bolded the 1911 above)

I know very little about Kimbers ans Sig 1911s. As in, I haven't ever shot either.
That means nothing, they could be and probably are great guns.

I have heard or read complaints about almost every 1911 made by various makers. Truth is, I believe a 1911 that is not mil spec needs to be tuned to be flawless. Believe it or not, an extractor is not the only thing on a 1911 that needs to be tuned, so having an external extractor doesn't solve any and all problems.

It sounds to me like you are trying to get a good bang for your buck. Either option will get you there, I am sure, but...

Personally, if I am looking for a 1911 I would not get a gun with external extractor as my first or possibly the only 1911.

So, personally, I would already narrow my field to the other two options.
And then, I would look at reviews, and go for the maker that has fewer complaints.

By the way, a friend of mine just got a Springer that was apparently put together by a guy with two left hands, so yeah, unless you go for a custom built, you can get a bad production gun. It unfortunately happens. Though maybe not with Sig. I don't know.

The problem is trying to get people's opinions that are completely unbiased. Although, even in this thread I don't get the overwhelming support for Kimber, that tells you something.

I say, Springer. Sorry for "think-typing".

Not so Chapped Hide
12-25-2016, 10:04 PM
I've owned 4-5 TRP's, Pro, DW Specialist, Guardian and LB Custom Carry.

The TRP's were all very solid guns, built like tanks. Lots of people don't like the 20 lpi front strap checkering, I dug it. They were all tight guns, extractors were all finished flush with the rear of the slide. The triggers were all different from clean to pretty ****ty, no consistency. Springfield has SACS, lifetime warranty and the best customer service by far. Oh, the Pro. Beautiful but I did not appreciate it $3,000.

DW are better built guns than SA but you've got 2 choices on roster or buy used. When buying used, be aware that DW only offers a 5 year original owner warranty.

I've owned a Specialist and currently own a 9mm Guardian both are very smooth guns. Slide to frame is like butter and more attention is paid to detail hear than with the TRP's. 25lpi checkering is nice and DW triggers are the best in their price range. The Duty Treat/ Coat finish is one of the best IMO, otherwise it's stainless.

My LB Custom Carry after only 500 rounds is my favorite 1911, the best I've shot with everything I wanted and didn't want.

Fitting was very tight, trigger was perfect, 30lpi front strap checkering is nice, no ambi safety and no front cocking serrations. Only drawback so far is the non standard grip size.

I've found with 1911's that rails aren't for me as much as I tried to like them. Mag wells are over rated on carry guns, capacity is irrelevant if you can't hit what your shooting at and you'll never own just one.

trigger945
12-26-2016, 7:07 AM
For $1,500 - $1,600, a TRP or a Dan Wesson would be nice. But for $300 - $400 more, you are in Les Baer territory...

But then again, add about $400 - $500 to that and you are in used Ed Brown and Nighthawk territory. Might be worthwhile to consider. And if you can squeeze the budget even further, or wait and save, for a few hundred more, you can get either of them brand new and also be in Wilson Combat territory, which is another great gun. The Springfield Professional is also in this territory as far as price so that's another option...

But you know, really, maybe get a fully custom 1911 for a grand or so more. You get to choose exactly the options you want. You can even have your name engraved on the slide...

See? :D

tbc
12-26-2016, 7:54 AM
You should get The Real Pistol....ya know......TRP.

XDJYo
12-26-2016, 8:16 AM
For $1,500 - $1,600, a TRP or a Dan Wesson would be nice. But for $300 - $400 more, you are in Les Baer territory...

But then again, add about $400 - $500 to that and you are in used Ed Brown and Nighthawk territory. Might be worthwhile to consider. And if you can squeeze the budget even further, or wait and save, for a few hundred more, you can get either of them brand new and also be in Wilson Combat territory, which is another great gun. The Springfield Professional is also in this territory as far as price so that's another option...

But you know, really, maybe get a fully custom 1911 for a grand or so more. You get to choose exactly the options you want. You can even have your name engraved on the slide...

See? :D

For a first 1911, that's a tough route to take. *IF* you've got money, then sure, go Wilson Combat or a Springfield Armory Professional.

However, for someone who doesn't have a lot of (any?) trigger time behind a 1911, it will be hard to say exactly what is and what isn't a feature that the shooter likes or doesn't.

However, a medium grade pistol (in terms of options) such as a Loaded, will give the new 1911 shooter a good mix of upgrades over a base GI model that are common to make a 1911 comfortable, easy to shoot and reliable. Many of the tweaks that the older 1911 buyers had to make via a costly gunsmith have already been done at a comfortable price point.

So, my suggestion is a SA Loaded and shoot the snot out of it. Spend about a year with it and go thru a class or two and see how you like it. My guess is that you will become a convert to 1911's! As have many of us.

Happy shooting and be safe!

micro911
12-26-2016, 9:14 AM
I bought a non railed TRP for $1,000 two weeks ago. I love it.

XDJYo
12-26-2016, 11:58 AM
I bought a non railed TRP for $1,000 two weeks ago. I love it.



Dang!!! You got a heck of a deal on that!!

TurboChrisB
12-27-2016, 7:15 AM
I bought a non railed TRP for $1,000 two weeks ago. I love it.

Dang!!! You got a heck of a deal on that!!

It happens......if it's the same guy I'm thinking of.....he sold a nonrail and a railed trp for $1000 each. They went fast. Last year I saw a pro sell here for $2400. Gotta be johnny on the spot or lucky to get those deals!

Nor*Cal
12-27-2016, 9:34 AM
I purchased one of my TRP's at the end of 2014 brand new for $1150 on sale.

smittty
12-27-2016, 12:00 PM
My preference however would be Springfield but no front checkering is a deal breaker for me.



I'm the same, front checkering is a must but there are ways of getting that without the high cost.

Grip tape. I put a strip of grip tape on the front strap of most of my pistols. This works and it doesn't take away from the looks of the gun imo.

Wrap around grips. I bought some Colt wrap around checkered rubber grips for my 1991A1 and it's as nice as having a checkered front strap. They have colt medals so they are brand specific but I think there are others out there.
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/352084/colt-wraparound-rubber-grips-1911-government-commander-colt-gold-cup-black?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Gunsmithing+-+Grips-_-Colt-_-352084&gclid=Cj0KEQiAv4jDBRCC1IvzqqDnkYYBEiQA89utomnux6eF Mzp2-5Dee-zzuSS9UaKGfbbGlvntCbBQF8YaAiue8P8HAQ

DArBad
12-27-2016, 5:45 PM
I would get the Kimber.

XDJYo
12-27-2016, 6:25 PM
It happens......if it's the same guy I'm thinking of.....he sold a nonrail and a railed trp for $1000 each. They went fast. Last year I saw a pro sell here for $2400. Gotta be johnny on the spot or lucky to get those deals!

I purchased one of my TRP's at the end of 2014 brand new for $1150 on sale.

Unfortunately, I'm no Johnny on the spot. These types of things happen to other people, but not me. I have a few friends and they always tell me of the deals they get when they sell a guitar for more than they bought it for and they buy another one for way less than the market value. I would pay full price and have a ton of problems and spend a lot of money trying to make it play right. :mad:

rogervzv
12-27-2016, 6:31 PM
My Kimber Eclipse Target II is shockingly accurate. It will outshoot any other handgun I own or have shot.

My other favorite .45s are:

1. Dan Wesson PM-7

2. Colt Gold Cup National Match

I own all 3 of the above and any of the above equals a first-rate shooter.

Honorable mention: Colt XSE. Fixed sights and perhaps not as shockingly accurate as the Kimber but a danged good shooter.

Kerplow
12-27-2016, 6:32 PM
Kimber CS is questionable and the roll mark is hideous.

I'm very happy with my Springfield Loaded.

rogervzv
12-27-2016, 6:35 PM
Oh, I don't know. I think that the roll mark is classy looking. (Haven't needed their customer service, so I cannot speak to that.)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a331/Roger54/Gun%20Stuff/Gun%20Stuff%202/Pistols/DSC_2047_zps89297e2f.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/Roger54/media/Gun%20Stuff/Gun%20Stuff%202/Pistols/DSC_2047_zps89297e2f.jpg.html)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a331/Roger54/Gun%20Stuff/Gun%20Stuff%202/Pistols/DSC_2046_zps0cee20f1.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/Roger54/media/Gun%20Stuff/Gun%20Stuff%202/Pistols/DSC_2046_zps0cee20f1.jpg.html)

madjack956
12-27-2016, 6:55 PM
I have 2 Kimbers and 1 Sig. No Springfields, so I won't comment on them.

One Kimber is 16 years old and the second 9 years old. The Sig is also 9 years old.

I can't comment on the CS of either company because I have had zero issues with any of them.

I never cared for Kimbers magazines or (McCormick magazines for that matter) so I pitched them when they were new.

If I had any complaints about any of the three, I would say I didn't care for the rail on the Sig, but I got the pistol for free in a Christmas raffle so I can't really *****.

All three are tight, reliable and are very accurate.

madjack956
12-27-2016, 6:55 PM
I have 2 Kimbers and 1 Sig. No Springfields, so I won't comment on them.

One Kimber is 16 years old and the second 9 years old. The Sig is also 9 years old.

I can't comment on the CS of either company because I have had zero issues with any of them.

I never cared for Kimbers magazines or (McCormick magazines for that matter) so I pitched them when they were new.

If I had any complaints about any of the three, I would say I didn't care for the rail on the Sig, but I got the pistol for free in a Christmas raffle so I can't really *****.

All three are tight, reliable and are very accurate.

golfish
12-27-2016, 7:37 PM
I have 2 Kimbers and 1 Sig. No Springfields, so I won't comment on them.
One Limber is 116 years old and the second 9 years old. The Sig is also 9 years old.

.

That Limber is a little bit older then I am;)

madjack956
12-28-2016, 9:47 AM
That Limber is a little bit older then I am;)

It seems I could use a proofreader in my employ. Because I'm not worth a damn.:)

golfish
12-28-2016, 12:29 PM
It seems I could use a proofreader in my employ. Because I'm not worth a damn.:)

lol, I just couldn't let go :)

My use of the English language is turrible. You should see me try to write using pen and paper

micro911
01-10-2017, 6:09 PM
Unfortunately, I'm no Johnny on the spot. These types of things happen to other people, but not me. I have a few friends and they always tell me of the deals they get when they sell a guitar for more than they bought it for and they buy another one for way less than the market value. I would pay full price and have a ton of problems and spend a lot of money trying to make it play right. :mad:

The pistol I bought was on sale from October. No takers until I happened to see it on Calguns marketplace in December. I hurried and grabbed it. Maybe it was meant to be mine. :D

Ranger20
01-10-2017, 7:58 PM
I like Series 1 kimbers without the Swartz Firing Pin Safety system and I like Springfield they are made also without any additional FP Safety system...
Other than a titanium Firing pin and Extra power FP spring so they are drop safe. No extra parts... like the original was made. A 5" gun of course.

stevemac
01-10-2017, 8:21 PM
Something to consider is the Kimber Raptor ii. I absolutely love mine and it is dead on accurate. Quality is top notch and overall an amazing pistol. I added VZ grips and a bulletproof one-piece Wilson Combat magwell/MSH. The Raptor ii's front strap serrations combined with the golf ball cuts on the VZ grips make one hell of an immovable grip. No rail though.

http://i68.tinypic.com/20kekgo.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2iau7gj.jpg

Napalm Bulldog
01-10-2017, 10:18 PM
Kimber CS is questionable and the roll mark is hideous.

I'm very happy with my Springfield Loaded.

What's a roll mark, just curious because I really don't know

Kilibreaux
01-11-2017, 1:20 AM
I am going to treat myself and buy a new 1911 I like stainless (a must) ,checkered front, and a rail(optional) Iam looking at the kimber TLE/II R,
sig stainless Rail, bolth running around $950-$1000 or for a hundred and fifty bucks less the sprigfield stainless loaded no checkers or rail, give me some input please, now that the the gun stores don't have a waiting line

Gee it must be NICE to have such a decision!

IF the price is right I'd be hard pressed not to choose the SIG.

My reasoning is that you probably already have too many 1911 pattern pistols and the Sig is a pretty neat change-up!

Dooder
01-11-2017, 4:00 AM
I have a sig 1911, a trp and had a kimber.

The sig is good, the trp surprised me with his good it is and the kimber was kinda meh. But nothing wrong with it. Just lack luster I suppose.

The sig's external extractor is very cool for reliability and the fp safety in mine got replaced with a $3 blank plate from browbells. It smooths the trigger pull and took about 3/4 of a pound off the trigger pull on mine.

I had an sti Trojan as well. That thing is a beast. It ran so good. But the next one I'll look into in that price range is dan wesson. They are the most solid built out of all the companies mentioned. I've handled quite a few of them and they've always been noteworthy. Really nice and imo the most substantial feeling. In that price category of gun.

But I don't think you'll dislike which ever one you get, they're all pretty solid guns. Let us know what you get!

DMorris2321
01-11-2017, 6:30 AM
Kimber is far superior in quality to the springfield ....kimber all the way

Go to Ammo bros and look at all the rusted Mimbers in the case and come back and tell us that.

DArBad
01-11-2017, 8:37 AM
Go to Ammo bros and look at all the rusted Mimbers in the case and come back and tell us that.

I just visited 4 LGS with Kimbers.....non have rust. I own 2 Kimbers, non with rust. I know over 20 LEOs and each of whom, owns more than 3 Kimbers, non with rust.

I've had a Springfield Loaded that rusted under the grips, same with another stainless Colt 1991 when I bought brand new around early 2000. I just removed the grips and rub the rusted areas with a scouring pad then reoiled.........and no more rust!

cindynles
01-11-2017, 9:28 AM
You might want to also consider the Springfield Trophy Match. I'm very happy with mine, even though it was not perfect out of the box, it has turned out to be a very solid investment.

Detailed review here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=824424

m98
01-11-2017, 1:04 PM
Springer all the way. Its quality and cs surpasses kimber n sig.

E92335i
01-11-2017, 5:33 PM
Springer all the way here too.

Frank45
01-11-2017, 7:24 PM
I have a sig that I am very happy with and a dan wesson cbob that I need to shoot some more. Fit and finish is better on the cbob but not by much. Will never sell either. Haven't handled a springer but I think I see one in my near future. I might be addicted.

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Intel0116
01-11-2017, 7:30 PM
Springfield

xxINKxx
01-11-2017, 7:34 PM
I only own 2 Kimbers as far as modern made 1911s go. They both run great with no issues. 1 is 10 years old and getting high round count, still is solid. Any of those choices should be good. You hear a fair share of pros and cons from all sides some true some not.

Dago Red
01-11-2017, 7:45 PM
For a first 1911, that's a tough route to take. *IF* you've got money, then sure, go Wilson Combat or a Springfield Armory Professional.

However, for someone who doesn't have a lot of (any?) trigger time behind a 1911, it will be hard to say exactly what is and what isn't a feature that the shooter likes or doesn't.

However, a medium grade pistol (in terms of options) such as a Loaded, will give the new 1911 shooter a good mix of upgrades over a base GI model that are common to make a 1911 comfortable, easy to shoot and reliable. Many of the tweaks that the older 1911 buyers had to make via a costly gunsmith have already been done at a comfortable price point.

So, my suggestion is a SA Loaded and shoot the snot out of it. Spend about a year with it and go thru a class or two and see how you like it. My guess is that you will become a convert to 1911's! As have many of us.

Happy shooting and be safe!

I agree on all of this. You don't know exactly what you want on your 1911 (I could tell you though :D ) until you've had at least one and shot it.

I have a trophy match, a TRP, and what I think is the loaded (front cocking serrations, no front strap checkering) in 9mm. I'm actually going to sell the TRP. I like the trophy match better for what I use it for. I also have a kimber. Between the two the Springfields are better, and have the 70 series design as mentioned.

I know a guy I shoot with that has had his sIf back to them and it still isn't running correct. Between what's he's said of their customer service and my personal experience with Springfield I'd say their customer service is superior too. I sent my TRP back and told them it wasn't as accurate as a $1500 gun should be, not as accurate as the trophy match. They replaced the barrel, installed a different rear sight (the fixed sights were shooting too low.) it came back 2.5" at 25.

Their front strap checkering is too sharp for my liking. I knocked the points off on both guns. Those of you who like it go shoot 800 rounds in one day you find all the sharp spots :) I like the non checkered front strap on my 9 better. It has some grip tape instead and is perfect that way.

My .02

Red

Sure Shot 45
01-11-2017, 8:23 PM
Springfield Armory no question. If you have coin for a Wilson/NHC even better:D

Beendare
01-11-2017, 8:26 PM
I know you aren't the real DB as I found the splatter with his chute partially deployed while bowhunting in Idaho. Since then, I've been spending the dufflebag of $20's on nothing but .45 autos, my take;

The edge goes to Springer. I have a Nice Kimber and it shoots...but the Springer TRP is just a better built handgun. I have a Sig 226 W german...but can't speak to their .45's.

Many have brought up the Numbers game...and how for a little more...and then a little more yet. That is how those models work. Factor this; something like that MC Operator will shoot better than 99% of us can shoot it. If you do get a bad Springer....send it to them and they will make that sucker shoot lights out.

high_revs
01-11-2017, 8:44 PM
i have the springfield loaded first, and then sig 1911 SS rail. frankly, the springfield felt better in my hand. maybe it wasn't shot enough yet, but the sig felt like having a creep feeling (term?) in the trigger. it felt thicker too for a single stack. both shot well for my ability, i.e. they'll outshoot me.

i held a friend's nighthawk one time. i'd like a wilson combat for my next 1911 for high end, maybe a nighthawk.

jgstorm
01-11-2017, 8:52 PM
Another vote for Kimber!

Jimmy's
01-11-2017, 9:11 PM
Dan Wesson.

MrFeetZ
01-11-2017, 9:18 PM
Having own each of your initial choices and with respect to your original budget, I would go Kimber. Although, I have the Tactical Entry, not the TLR-RL. Nothing wrong with any of your choices but....

Fit, finish on kimber is better than springfield. Handsdown.

You said you would prefer rail, so that eliminates Springfield.

Sure, out of the three SA has best customer service. Fantastic and maybe even no equal and I know from first hand experience. But I don't buy based on how I will be treated IF I ever need customer service. I've delt with sig CS for a P220 and had no issues. Never had a problem with Kimber to need customer service.

You thinking TRP? Well if you want a front strap, your certainly gonna get that with a TRP!

Then you keep going up and up... Dan Wesson, Les Baer.... Wilson!!!

Remember when you started at around $1000???

I also have a Valor and a Specialist. Absolutely love them, and highly recommend . However, for lack of a better description, I "grew into those Dan Wesson after I shot 1911's for quite some time and learned what features I wanted before I dropped that kind of dough on one. And even now there are some small things I would like to change.

My recommendation, stick with one of your original choices, shoot the **** out of it, save a bit $$$ and then maybe go Ed Brown or Wilson.

Either way, your on the right track with a 1911 and at least you ain't asking about a glock!!!

slayer61
01-12-2017, 7:21 AM
My SA 9mm loaded (2nd hand) is a great shooting & looking pistol. It has been utterly reliable. My Mrs. wanted (and got... duh) a Colt 1911 Commander and has also been reliable as a hammer. I'm not a fan however. My wife likes it and that's great.

My 10mm Kimber on the other hand, has been having teething problems since day 1. FTfeed, front sight fell off... you name it. I like the gun, and when it works, it's fun to shoot, but it's kinda like a "high maintenance" girl friend. When she's good, she's very good and when she's bad... well

Edit to add: I'm a Sig guy, but I just can't bring myself to buy a 1911 with a long external extractor. It just ain't natural.

bazineta
01-12-2017, 7:28 AM
I have that particular model SIG, and while it pains me to say this, it's (a) the least expensive 1911 I own and (b) shoots the best.

Don't know if I got a lucky one or if it's true in general of them, but it's very accurate and extremely reliable. I'd definitely buy it again.

Fishslayer
01-12-2017, 10:21 PM
O.K. so where does tha dan wesson stand in this discussion ?

If front strap checkering is amust that leaves the CBOB or going off roster. There is a DW Specialist on the WTS board for $2K. FSC, rail. I already have 3 DWs and if I had the $$$ I would be on it.

Termless
01-12-2017, 10:40 PM
I own a Springfield loaded 1911 chamber in .45. I've yet not encounter a problem with it. I'd say For go a Springfield 1911.

micro911
01-15-2017, 10:22 PM
Actually, I bought a Foster frame and built one myself. It took me a while to fit slide and frame, but it is tight and functions well now. It is accurate, also. IF you know the gun, it is rewarding to put one together yourself.

Blade Gunner
01-15-2017, 10:48 PM
Go nuts Les Baer or Ed Brown.

Frank45
02-07-2017, 8:04 PM
Go nuts Les Baer or Ed Brown.
Just jailed a Baer. Not a 1.5" but I'm sure it's still better than me. Barely cost more than my Wesson. I am on a blued kick though.

XDJYo
02-11-2017, 8:10 AM
Just a heads up, Springfield is having their free mag giveaway right now.

XDJYo
02-11-2017, 8:10 AM
Just jailed a Baer. Not a 1.5" but I'm sure it's still better than me. Barely cost more than my Wesson. I am on a blued kick though.



You will LOVE the way the blue wears on a Baer. Character.

JS41989
02-11-2017, 8:16 AM
I am going to treat myself and buy a new 1911 I like stainless (a must) ,checkered front, and a rail(optional) Iam looking at the kimber TLE/II R,
sig stainless Rail, bolth running around $950-$1000 or for a hundred and fifty bucks less the sprigfield stainless loaded no checkers or rail, give me some input please, now that the the gun stores don't have a waiting line

You're going to find that the Kimber TLE/II Rail model checks most of the items off your wishlist, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that will tell you that it's a better gun than a TRP. I've always been a quality over quantity guy, and if you take into account customer service and warranty, etc. saving your money for a TRP is a no brainer.

200Apples
02-11-2017, 8:46 AM
Kimber is far superior in quality to the springfield...

But are they, really.



Springer.... all day
X1000

Love my stainless loaded. I'm not a fan of all the extras like rails and checkering and all that. The loaded has everything that's needed and nothing that isn't. And it shoots amazing.
I love Sigs but for 1911s Springfield all day. I've got an MC operator that shoots beautifully. In my hands it shoots just as well as my Nighthawk.


And that's just part of Page 1 of this thread.

I dig my Springfields, and my little, light weight Mimber Ultra CDP (7 + 1 .45ACP) remains reliable with 50 rounds through it four times a year for the last four years. It is one of those "carried more than it is shot" personal defense firearms.

Two Loadeds and an Ultra CDP II

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/Z63R/Mobile%20Uploads/20160927_165404_zpsdsmelkm7.jpg


Gonna put all-black grip panels on the Kimber...




I bought a non railed TRP for $1,000 two weeks ago. I love it.

Yea? You suck!

:chris: <--- you. You're a pirate.