16yr Old driving with rifle ??

[CZRyan]

Can a 16 yr. old drive to a match with his AR-15 or Tubb 2000 along with ammo in the car? He would be driving solo and the guns would be stored legally in the trunk in a locked case. I was wondering what would happen to him if he got pulled over and for some reason the car was searched and the LEO found the guns. Of course, the LEO would also find all the other accouterments associated with High Power shooting, jacket, stool, old targets, etc.. Even though I don't think it would make any difference in the stop, it may help collaborate the reason for the guns.

[Liberty1]

Have a note from a parent/guardian specifically giving permission to possess both the firearm and ammunition for the purpose of going to and from and possessing at the shooting match. I'll try to look up the code later as I'm doing this from memory.

[Liberty1]

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12101.htm

[CZRyan]

Thanks, I knew that someone here would know the answer.

[CA_Libertarian]

Just mind that 'directly to and from' language. Even a stop at your corner store to pick up a soda would be a violation.

Realistically... if it's concealed in the trunk nobody is going to know it's there. Unless the person in question has a habit of drawing attention, it's EXTREMELY unlikely the vehicle will be searched. Make sure the person is instructed in exercising his/her right to refuse unwarranted searches. That will cover you 99.9999% of the time (maybe more).

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Just mind that 'directly to and from' language. Even a stop at your corner store to pick up a soda would be a violation.

The "directly to and from" language only applies to handguns. The OP was asking about rifles. Also, a note from a parent avoids the "directly to and from" requirement for ammo.

So if the kid gets a note for the ammo, he can stop at the corner store to pick up a soda.

[Liberty1]

The "directly to and from" language only applies to handguns. The OP was asking about rifles. Also, a note from a parent avoids the "directly to and from" requirement for ammo.

So if the kid gets a note for the ammo, he can stop at the corner store to pick up a soda.

There are more penal codes sections dealing with minors then just 12101. I should have included the following in my post...sorry.

12101 (f) It is not the intent of the Legislature in enacting the amendments to this section or to Section 12078 to expand or narrow the application of current statutory or judicial authority as to the rights of minors to be loaned or to possess live ammunition or a firearm for the purpose of self-defense or the defense of others.

12072. (a) (3) (A) No person, corporation, or firm shall sell, loan, or
transfer a firearm to a minor, nor sell a handgun to an individual
under 21 years of age.

(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to or affect those
circumstances set forth in subdivision (p) of Section 12078.

12078 (p) (1) Paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) and subdivision (d) of
Section 12072 shall not apply to the loan of a firearm that is not a
handgun to a minor, with the express permission of the parent or
legal guardian of the minor, if the loan does not exceed 30 days in
duration and is for a lawful purpose.

(2) Paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) of Section 12072, subdivision
(d) of Section 12072, and subdivision (b) of Section 12801 shall not
apply to the loan of a handgun to a minor by a person who is not the
parent or legal guardian of the minor if all of the following
circumstances exist:

(A) The minor has the written consent of his or her parent or
legal guardian that is presented at the time of, or prior to the time
of, the loan, or is accompanied by his or her parent or legal
guardian at the time the loan is made.
(B) The minor is being loaned the firearm for the purpose of
engaging in a lawful, recreational sport, including, but not limited
to, competitive shooting, or agricultural, ranching, or hunting
activity, or a motion picture, television, or video production, or
entertainment or theatrical event, the nature of which involves the
use of a firearm.
(C) The duration of the loan does not exceed the amount of time
that is reasonably necessary to engage in the lawful, recreational
sport, including, but not limited to, competitive shooting, or
agricultural, ranching, or hunting activity, or a motion picture,
television, or video production, or entertainment or theatrical
event, the nature of which involves the use of a firearm.
(D) The duration of the loan does not, in any event, exceed 10
days.

(3) Paragraph (3) of subdivision
(a), and subdivision (d), of Section 12072, and subdivision (b) of
Section 12801 shall not apply to the loan of a handgun to a minor by
his or her parent or legal guardian if both of the following
circumstances exist:
(A) The minor is being loaned the firearm for the purposes of
engaging in a lawful, recreational sport, including, but not limited
to, competitive shooting, or agricultural, ranching, or hunting
activity, or a motion picture, television, or video production, or
entertainment or theatrical event, the nature of which involves the
use of a firearm.
(B) The duration of the loan does not exceed the amount of time
that is reasonably necessary to engage in the lawful, recreational
sport, including, but not limited to, competitive shooting, or
agricultural, ranching, or hunting activity, or a motion picture,
television, or video production, or entertainment or theatrical
event, the nature of which involves the use of a firearm.
(4) Paragraph (3) of subdivision (a), and subdivision (d), of
Section 12072 shall not apply to the transfer or loan of a firearm
that is not a handgun to a minor by his or her parent or legal
guardian.
(5) Paragraph (3) of subdivision (a), and subdivision (d), of
Section 12072 shall not apply to the transfer or loan of a firearm
that is not a handgun to a minor by his or her grandparent who is not
the legal guardian of the minor if the transfer is done with the
express permission of the parent or legal guardian of the minor.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

So who's going to start the thread "What's the best truck/trunk gun for my 16 year old child to keep in his vehicle?" :D

[Fantasma]

^^ Ahahahaha..... Good one.

[Ford8N]

So who's going to start the thread "What's the best truck/trunk gun for my 16 year old child to keep in his vehicle?" :D

We use to drive to high school with our guns in the gun rack of our pickup's and no one cared.

Time's have changed.:(

[CZRyan]

The reason I asked the question, was while we were standing just outside the door of the DVM, the ink on the temporary license still wet, the first thing my 16yr old said was: "cool, I passed, I wonder if there is a match (somewhere) this weekend"

Now how cool is that?

By the way, it looks like he will be driving a older Mercedes that his Grandparents have offered. He is not keen on it, but I keep telling him that at least it is a set of wheels and he can always say that his first car was a Mercedes. Admittedly, not a car that draws much attention from the LEO's. He wanted a small sporty car (didn't we all) but I have to point out that the car has to be big enough to fit the rifle cases inside. That how I determined the size of the car I drive......it was the first time any sales men ever saw someone arrive at the dealer with an empty gun case and try the cars on for size. :D

[Meplat]

Wright a parental permission note.


Can a 16 yr. old drive to a match with his AR-15 or Tubb 2000 along with ammo in the car? He would be driving solo and the guns would be stored legally in the trunk in a locked case. I was wondering what would happen to him if he got pulled over and for some reason the car was searched and the LEO found the guns. Of course, the LEO would also find all the other accouterments associated with High Power shooting, jacket, stool, old targets, etc.. Even though I don't think it would make any difference in the stop, it may help collaborate the reason for the guns.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Wright a parental permission note.

For the ammo, yes. For the rifle, not needed.

It might a good idea to write a couple of ammo permission notes and have them laminated. Keep one note in the rifle case and one in the glove compartment of the car.