WARNING: Builders, do NOT mark your homebrew (or other) rifle w/"AK47"

[bwiese]

There seems to be a silly subtrend in 'fake authenticity' where some folks like to have "US Government", etc. markings on their firearm.

It seems some folks might be marking their homebrew AKs as "AK47".

DO NOT DO THIS. If you do a read of Harrott you'll see comments about that, and why the make is irrelevant if marked as "AK47".

[DedEye]

I'm curious, does this apply to homebuilt AR15s (80% builds)?

[saki302]

I'm sure it does. No reason to mark anything 'AR15' of you don't have to. FAR-15, MAR15, HARHAR15, etc. work fine!

-Dave

[hitman13]

AK47.0?

[Ironchef]

I wonder if it's safe then to even say it in a message board? "Here's my brand new AK47 knockoff" or my "AR15 build?" Not that anyone is that diligent to go looking for such posts to use against you in trial.

[BONECUTTER]

I wonder if it's safe then to even say it in a message board? "Here's my brand new AK47 knockoff" or my "AR15 build?" Not that anyone is that diligent to go looking for such posts to use against you in trial.

Yes its safe....just can't be on the gun. People can mis-represent their guns. Whoops I meant to say AW-15....damn typo.

Makes me wonder though ....if I had say a 1911, shotgun, or say bolt action rifle that had AK47 or AR15 on the frame/reciever or something would that make them illegal. Crazy.....

[fusionstar]

I remember seeing somewhere a lady said that a ak47 could go through 10 houses and like 12 people. Ignorant buffoons. would adding a letter or number make it more appealing to gun grabbers? TAK-47, or AK-47.0 like hitman mentioned above.

Still looking for a lazer etched OLL showing a seal being clubbed and the text below says.
"Who needs a Club?"

[Ironchef]

What's odd is the "AK47's" out there aren't reeeealy ak47's. By that i mean they are usually not the model from 1947..which if I"m not mistaken are rare to find. I believe the actual kalashnikov rifle that's around is the '49 or '5x model, yet it's still called ak47.. NOt sure where I read this, but you can tell by looking at the receiver..the dimples tell everything I think...of course, this could all be fud..my apologies.

[bwiese]

This is due to wording at the end of Harrott, bringing it out of make/model combo.
Our conclusion that the trial court exceeded its authority in declaring Mr. Harrott' s rifle an AK series weapon under section 12276, subdivisions (a)(1)(A) and (e) does not end the matter. As stated in footnote 2, ante, the Attorney General now asserts the rifle is an AK47, one of the assault weapons specifically listed in section 12276, subdivision (a)(1)(A), and in his petition for writ of mandate, Mr. Harrott did describe the rifle as an "AK-47 2822." Therefore, the case should be remanded to the trial court for a resolution of this question.

[macadamizer]

I wonder if it's safe then to even say it in a message board? "Here's my brand new AK47 knockoff" or my "AR15 build?" Not that anyone is that diligent to go looking for such posts to use against you in trial.

Says someone who has never spent hours going through someone else's email!

:D

[jumbopanda]

What about AK-Fo-ty-Seven?

[Ford8N]

I wonder if it is a federal thing. NoDak will not custom mark a receiver AK47 either.



"model #'s will be NDS-1,2,3,4 etc only. We will not mark M70AB2, AKM, AK47, AK74, etc."


If they won't, with their expensive lawyers, the home roller should avoid doing it too.

[SJgunguy24]

I wonder if it is a federal thing. NoDak will not custom mark a receiver AK47 either.



"model #'s will be NDS-1,2,3,4 etc only. We will not mark M70AB2, AKM, AK47, AK74, etc."


If they won't, with their expensive lawyers, the home roller should avoid doing it too.

I think they would like to keep their FFL. The law bans guns by name, if someone is dumb enough to slap a "banned guns" name on a homebuilt, then deal with it.

I may not be the smartest dude in the world, but i'm smart enough to take the advise of someone that has more experiance with issues like this.

I don't think Bill is gonna post this to be anal. I think he trying help keep all of us out of prison. I'm cool with that, Thanks Bill!








B.T.W. I want one called "The streets will run red with the blood of puppy's and kitten's, E.B.R. #666" and have a little devil head on the flip side.:43:

[motorhead]

don't recall any military ak variant ever being marked "ak 47". most who shoot for authenticity want the cyrillic fire control markings.
i can see the lunacy of making a home rolled "listed" reciever. how about a fake autosear pin to make it really authentic?

[nick]

I remember seeing somewhere a lady said that a ak47 could go through 10 houses and like 12 people. Ignorant buffoons. would adding a letter or number make it more appealing to gun grabbers? TAK-47, or AK-47.0 like hitman mentioned above.

Still looking for a lazer etched OLL showing a seal being clubbed and the text below says.
"Who needs a Club?"

That OLL maker from San Diego, Kaiser something, does custom laser engravings, I believe. If you really want it, that is :)

[Experimentalist]

What about AK-Fo-ty-Seven?

For some reason "AK-46 1/2" appeals to me.

:D

[SJgunguy24]

For some reason "AK-46 1/2" appeals to me.

:D

How about "Diet AK"

Not quite evil enough.:p

[motorhead]

AKD-avtomat kalashnikova dietsky.

[JagerTroop]

AK 46.9 - Almost Kalashnikova

or

AKK - Avtomat Kalashni Kopy :D

[56Chevy]

How about Assault Weapon 47?:p

[JimmyD]

can you use accented letters? like ÀK47?

[bwiese]

can you use accented letters? like ÀK47?

C'mon, don't be stupid and play games with hypens, periods, etc. Just don't have AK47. Hell, I wouldn't even have "AK-74".


I wonder if it is a federal thing.
NoDak will not custom mark a receiver AK47 either.

"model #'s will be NDS-1,2,3,4 etc only. We will not mark M70AB2, AKM, AK47, AK74, etc."

If they won't, with their expensive lawyers, the home roller should avoid doing it too.

Firstly, I doubt if NoDak has expensive lawyers. Many smaller gun parts co's don't have a gun lawyer on retainer and are more likely to just have a general biz lawyer.

NoDak's purported reasons have nothing to do with why I posted this originally - my warning is stritcly regarding CA law and some fine print in the Harrott decision.

It could be something heldover from the (now expired) 1994-2004 Fed AW ban wherea few specific rifle names were banned Federally.

NoDak may also just not wanna be associated with any pejorative concepts of AK47 and 'full auto' etc.

[motorhead]

avtomat kalifornia. word games are fun but making a homebuilt "listed" reciever is sheer lunacy.

[yellowfin]

I wonder how much it'll cost to engrave "This is not an Avtomat Kalashnikov and even if it was it's my right to own it, you communist tools. You do not have no right to decide which of my rights you agree with and what I can have--this is America so **** off" on the receiver. They can read that.

[nobody_special]

If I were to engrave "AK47" on an off-list AR receiver, would that cause a BoF lawyer's head to explode?

[JeffM]

What's odd is the "AK47's" out there aren't reeeealy ak47's. By that i mean they are usually not the model from 1947..which if I"m not mistaken are rare to find. I believe the actual kalashnikov rifle that's around is the '49 or '5x model, yet it's still called ak47.. NOt sure where I read this, but you can tell by looking at the receiver..the dimples tell everything I think...of course, this could all be fud..my apologies.

You are correct. They are AKM clones.

All my home-builds, regardless of style - AK, AR, etc, are marked "BTR" and a serial number. It stands for "Beats Throwing Rocks" :)

[bwiese]

The AK47 reference I am warning about has less to do with Mikhail Kalashnikov's original design, superceded by AKMs and AKSes, than for specific sporting Chinese semiauto rifles imported in the 1980s (like Clayco's) and marked as "AK47" - regardless of its being architecturally actually an AKS.

[Model X]

CRM-1949 Communist Rifle Model of 1949

Could also stand for Customer Resource Management 1949

[JeffM]

CRM-1949 Communist Rifle Model of 1949

Could also stand for Customer Resource Management 1949

I like that.

I also think CISM would work great for a rifle model name.

PS. Thanks Bill for looking out and keeping us on the strait and narrow.

[56Chevy]

If I were to engrave "AK47" on an off-list AR receiver, would that cause a BoF lawyer's head to explode?
How about AK-15 on an AR and AR-47 on an AK?

[SJgunguy24]

If I were to engrave "AK47" on an off-list AR receiver, would that cause a BoF lawyer's head to explode?

OK, what's the danger from thier heads exploding? There is nothing inside to splatter.

[weezil_boi]

I vote for "AK46 + (image of a middle finger)"

[Utha Schleigle]

I should stamp or eche this on the receiver. PC = Polilically Correct.

PC - 1986-AR-0####
PEACE & LOVE MACHINE - LB CA USA
CAL 7.62x39mm - M43
Please Read Instructions
Please Do Not Litter
Please Pay Your Attorney!!

For the lower mounted bloop gun - just say it is a bean bag/water balloon thrower for the kidds. 37mm of coarse.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

*** Krinker 46.99

[DedEye]

*** Krinker 46.99

Did someone say Krinker Plinker? :43:

[AaronHorrocks]

That's why I mark mine AH-74

Automatic gun of Horrocks, 1974

AH-74 (SERIAL #)
MANUFACTURED BY AARON HORROCKS
LIVERMORE, CA (YEAR)
CIVILIAN USE ONLY

[ldivinag]

anything wrong with AK-69????? ;)

[Utha Schleigle]

anything wrong with AK-69????? ;)

Absolutely OK Maybe AK-69 NO ON PROP #8 Then serial #

[JayRuff]

How about "911 is a Joke"

[Heavyhits]

I have to throw this one in there.... AK-47 version 3.0?