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slaaw
09-30-2008, 2:36 PM
In shopping for complete uppers, I see terms that I cannot determine the meanings to, such as:

1. post-ban vs. pre-ban: Can I buy either one now and what is the difference?

2. H2, H3, H4, etc.?

3. A1, A2?

4. CAR, tactical, etc. (I understand the varminter one)

Thanks in advance.

Olav
09-30-2008, 2:41 PM
In shopping for complete uppers, I see terms that I cannot determine the meanings to, such as:

1. post-ban vs. pre-ban: Can I buy either one now and what is the difference?
Google
2. H2, H3, H4, etc.?
Google
3. A1, A2?
Google
4. CAR, tactical, etc. (I understand the varminter one)
Google
Thanks in advance.

Your welcome! :D

5968
09-30-2008, 2:47 PM
Welcome to the forum and to answer your question: YES
Check this thread out: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=56818

slaaw
09-30-2008, 3:04 PM
Wow! Why do we need this forum when there's Google? I'm sure that's what you tell your students as well.

Your welcome! :D

Olav
09-30-2008, 3:12 PM
Wow! Why do we need this forum when there's Google? I'm sure that's what you tell your students as well.

Well, the problem is these questions have been answered many, many times and if you spend about one hour of your time to figure it out yourself you'll get all the answers.

As for my students, I try to teach them self reliance and if they tried and failed then I throw them a bone.

aplinker
09-30-2008, 3:41 PM
In shopping for complete uppers, I see terms that I cannot determine the meanings to, such as:

1. post-ban vs. pre-ban: Can I buy either one now and what is the difference?
Depends on the ban, but generally this refers to compliance with the now-defunct federal AWB that was in effect from 1994-2004. During that time pre-ban could have threaded muzzles and bayonet lugs, but post-ban could not. In some locales this ban remains in effect (not here), so the terminology has persisted. We have a different ban, so these terms are essentially useless with respect to CA law.
2. H2, H3, H4, etc.?
Those are buffer weights for carbines. A well-used carbine will sometimes open its gas port and need a heavier buffer to function properly. Different ammo also needs different buffer weights. This is generally for the shortest carbines, though - like the 10.5"
3. A1, A2?
generations of the M16 - but they're often not followed properly. These are generally applied to things like the upper (A2 being a fixed carry handle, A3 or A4 a flat-top) and the stock (A2 being a larger fixed than the M16 stock)

4. CAR, tactical, etc. (I understand the varminter one)
randomly applied terms. CAR means carbine, generally a carbine gas system with a carbine (collapsible) stock.
Thanks in advance.


red

fusionstar
09-30-2008, 3:58 PM
Sorry to thread jack but what is a kiss build? Just standard m16 style no features correct? Standard handgaurd, a2 butt stock, flash hider carry handle?

5968
09-30-2008, 5:00 PM
Sorry to thread jack but what is a kiss build? Just standard m16 style no features correct? Standard handgaurd, a2 butt stock, flash hider carry handle?

Just means "keep it super simple".

slaaw
09-30-2008, 9:25 PM
red, thanks for the excellent explanation. Great info on your link as well.

jandmtv
09-30-2008, 9:37 PM
Just means "keep it super simple".

I think it means "keep it simple stupid"

But you can interpret it any way you want ;)

fairfaxjim
09-30-2008, 9:38 PM
Well, the problem is these questions have been answered many, many times and if you spend about one hour of your time to figure it out yourself you'll get all the answers.

As for my students, I try to teach them self reliance and if they tried and failed then I throw them a bone.

Please keep your bones for your students. Most of us are here to help each other, not toss bones about.

If I don't have anything constructive to add, I usually TRY to keep quiet. You can see that you have prompted me to break that rule.

If you play with matches long enough, you will find out that you can burn yourself. I'm just glad I had teachers that shared their knowledge AND taught self reliance.

You're welcome.

Gator Monroe
09-30-2008, 9:44 PM
I'm on the verge of a $500.00 AR build ($150.00 for Lower including shipping,tax,FFL's fee & Dros is my starting point !) How would you procede from there if you were building a $500.00 AR ? (Used A1 & other milsurp parts ok)

The Cable Guy
09-30-2008, 9:47 PM
I'm on the verge of a $500.00 AR build ($150.00 for Lower including shipping,tax,FFL's fee & Dros is my starting point !) How would you procede from there if you were building a $500.00 AR ? (Used A1 & other milsurp parts ok)

Impossible I think. Say your lower is accounted for.
you have $350 left.

Say you find a SUPER deal on a complete LPK for $50

$300 left. You still need a stock, an upper and mags before you get the gun operational.

I've never in my life seen an upper for under $495

ohsmily
09-30-2008, 9:52 PM
Your welcome! :D
That was almost the most awesome post of the day, but then you screwed it up with bad grammar...YOU'RE WELCOME.....

still, a very good post.....hilarious.

Gator Monroe
09-30-2008, 9:54 PM
Used Complete A1 uppers are $150.00 -$250.00 (Including Bolt,Barrel,Charging handle,Triangle HG's, Buttstock...) and there are A2 kits with everyting (Minus Lower $400.00 to $450.00 so Group Buy price could put those into the budget ?) Help me out here (And my $500.00 price is without Mag or Mags sorry forgot that part /and no BB either)

Gator Monroe
09-30-2008, 9:59 PM
I have found an complete LPK for $46.00 Shipped :eek:

JagerTroop
10-01-2008, 12:01 AM
I think it means "keep it simple stupid"

But you can interpret it any way you want ;)

Oh yeah? How about "Knights In Satan's Service":punk::reddevil:

I'm guessing that's not the KISS you were talkin about, but I couldn't resist :D

5968
10-02-2008, 1:22 AM
I think it means "keep it simple stupid"

But you can interpret it any way you want ;)

I used it like that while explaining things to fellow soldiers, but now explaining to my kids I changed it a little.

grammaton76
10-02-2008, 4:04 PM
White Oak Armament will sell LPKs without the hammer, trigger, etc for $36 last I checked. If you've got a bunch of triggers lying around due to having upgraded your triggers in your main rifles, the triggerless LPK might be a good option for ya.

Captain Evilstomper
10-02-2008, 4:54 PM
Where are you finding the used parts? I was having the same idea about a low price ar for my 1st build, but i didn't think it was possible fr under like 650-700

Vinz
10-02-2008, 4:59 PM
Where are you finding the used parts? I was having the same idea about a low price ar for my 1st build, but i didn't think it was possible fr under like 650-700
+1, links please.


vinz

Gator Monroe
10-02-2008, 7:08 PM
Complete Used GC/VGC A1 Uppers (Minus Bolt ,carrier & charging handle) are found for 250.00-300.00 from sources we are all familure with !;) (I'm going to build an AR for $ 500.00 (Minus mag/mags & BB) even if it takes me all winter and 100.00 in Gasoline ! I'm into build for 150.00 (stripped lower including Tax.FFL fee & Dros) so far and have found new LPK's for 46.00 (Shipped) but think I can beat that price and I'm prolly going to get New Carrier/Used Bolt or visa versa and if Buttstock is not included with Complete Upper will get used A1 or A2 buttstock & used charging handel and used A1 PG if one is not included with LPK (and upper must have complete Sights also) I'm in it to win it AND once build is done (Then I can get a .22 UPPER and Green furniture and Period Sling or aluminium mags...

Gator Monroe
10-02-2008, 7:15 PM
Used Complete A1 uppers are $150.00 -$250.00 (Including Bolt,Barrel,Charging handle,Triangle HG's, Buttstock...) and there are A2 kits with everyting (Minus Lower $400.00 to $450.00 so Group Buy price could put those into the budget ?) Help me out here (And my $500.00 price is without Mag or Mags sorry forgot that part /and no BB either)

(Those Uppers do not have bolt,carrier or Charging handle) for that price yet ... but it's getting closer (I'm thinkin $300.00 with Bolt,Carrier,&CH is close man ,real close... ;)

aplinker
10-02-2008, 7:31 PM
By the time you add a BCG it's no deal.

You can buy a new upper for $450 or less and you know the bore, crown, etc. isn't worn out or damaged.

Gator Monroe
10-02-2008, 7:37 PM
OK ,OK I will raise budget to $550.00 (Including BB and one mag) :mad:

Vinz
10-03-2008, 8:20 PM
ok fine...can you atleast link up for the inexpensive lpk's?


vinz