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offrdmania
09-29-2008, 8:48 PM
Has anyone seen this before? Just wondering what it would be used for...
http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/firearms_safir410.htm

1lostinspace
09-29-2008, 8:59 PM
looks cool not sure why they would use traditional rear sites

50-100-150-200 meters would be more realistic

Jpach
09-29-2008, 9:01 PM
I wonder if they only sell complete rifles or uppers as well. We cant even get them since theyre from Turkey correct?

steadyrock
09-29-2008, 9:01 PM
Would make a helluva short range squirrel gun...

offrdmania
09-29-2008, 9:12 PM
That was my thought, a great varmint rifle. Check out the video on you tube

BroncoBob
09-29-2008, 9:17 PM
Isn't an adjustable stock on a semi auto shotgun a no no in California?

offrdmania
09-29-2008, 9:18 PM
That could easily be fixed

NeoWeird
09-29-2008, 10:23 PM
Problem with California is that a semi-auto shotgun with telescoping stock AND pistol grip would be illegal; fixed mag or not. Also, any seim-auto shotgun with a removable magazine, regardless of other features, would also be illegal.

Now you could play the same game that Saiga owners play to get it in, and if that's your thing go for it, but it's a tad sketchier ground than your standard OLL and should really only be tread by people who have a good understanding of our laws. Just think, you get a bind at the range that locks the carrier in the buffer tube and it requires you to drop your mag to clear it before you can close the carrier and take the upper off. You're talking complete disassembly of the rifle and you take the wrong part off first and you've now created an AW. This is not a "I want one of those - how do I get it?" types of scenarios, but one that you really need to understand how and why the laws work.

aplinker
09-30-2008, 1:15 AM
.410 sucks... too expensive, no power.

NeoWeird
09-30-2008, 2:05 AM
.410 sucks... too expensive, no power.

Ever try to get a petite woman who is afraid of guns into shooting? Shooting flying clays was the ONE thing my wife thought looked fun, but a 12 gauge in her hands would have killed any future chance of ever taking her shooting again.

It has it's place. It's not a great round, but it has it's place.

I'd imagine, for those lucky enough, or unlucky enough, it would be a great round for backyard rodent control (such as opposums and raccoons that live in a tree and are probably pushing the size of animal to shoot with an air gun before it starts turning cruel).

Dirtbiker
09-30-2008, 8:50 AM
We need an importer.

If it can be done with an upper and a mag only it would be worth it. I wouldnt have one if I needed a dedicated lower.

Two Shots
09-30-2008, 9:05 AM
That would make a good HD weapon loaded with buckshot for a petite lady.

AYEAREFIFTEEN
09-30-2008, 9:12 AM
"...and now in the UK..."

Its a sorry day when the UK gets them, but we can't get them in California.

offrdmania
09-30-2008, 9:13 AM
for home defense, bird shot is all you would need. Probably wouldnt penetrate further than one sheet of sheetrock if you needed to shoot a zombie

Sydwaiz
09-30-2008, 9:18 AM
That would be fun for those of us with registered lowers.

motorhead
09-30-2008, 9:25 AM
uk gets supressors for .22's, we get handguns. it's a strange world we live in.
someone would need to get an import license for those. or license to mfr. domesticly. that might be the way to go. then you don't have to neuter it or worry about 922r.

trinydex
09-30-2008, 1:08 PM
wow the uk gets suppressors for 22?

ohsmily
09-30-2008, 3:04 PM
for home defense, bird shot is all you would need. Probably wouldnt penetrate further than one sheet of sheetrock if you needed to shoot a zombie

Bird shot, in 12, 20 or 410 is NOT all you would need for home defense. It does not penetrate enough to be an effective stopper.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

It seems that any load of 410 is not something you should rely on for defense if you have other options. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41_4.htm

frigginchi
09-30-2008, 3:25 PM
If it takes .410's can it take .45 long Colts?

CHS
09-30-2008, 4:17 PM
I would definitely buy a .410 upper. That would be fun!

gose
09-30-2008, 4:26 PM
"...and now in the UK..."
Its a sorry day when the UK gets them, but we can't get them in California.

I would say that no one in the US can get one, due to 922(r).

aplinker
09-30-2008, 4:49 PM
I would say that no one in the US can get one, due to 922(r).

right.

offrdmania
09-30-2008, 4:56 PM
Well that takes all of the fun out of it

CHS
09-30-2008, 6:25 PM
I would say that no one in the US can get one, due to 922(r).

A completed firearm, sure. But why not an upper?

offrdmania
09-30-2008, 6:35 PM
Once you install it on a lower then it refers back to 922(r) ??

ke6guj
09-30-2008, 6:38 PM
But if you installed it on a lower comprised of domestic parts, I doubt there'd be more than ten listed foreign parts in the upper that would trigger 922r.

aplinker
09-30-2008, 8:05 PM
Assuming the parts count is low enough (which I'm pretty sure it would be) you're right.

Do they sell uppers only?

Again, though, .410 is really expensive and not particularly useful


PS - this AR came up about a year or two ago... you could probably find it, since 410's are rarely discussed ;)