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Domingo
08-19-2016, 3:55 PM
I saw a p64 at classic firearms, called a local ffl and he said he can dross it. It looks to be a great little fun gun it might be even a good cc gun, any first hand experience and how easy to find ammo locally in north cal

floogy
08-19-2016, 4:36 PM
I own one. Have not fired it yet but they are not too much fun from what I hear. Lots of people use it as an economical CCW. I bought it because the price was right and it's not going to go down.

They are very well made for a gun of that price and with the Wolff springs become more tolerable to shoot. I plan on swapping the springs before I do.

Varg Vikernes
08-19-2016, 5:45 PM
Heard the trigger kinda sucks. Aim Surplus has them too. $250 I believe. Trigger can be made better with a spring I believe.

spb_la
08-19-2016, 5:50 PM
Great little gun, PPK-based blowback design. Reliable and reasonably accurate. Shoots 9x18 Mak - common enough online.
Double action trigger pull is hard, single action not too bad. Good for carrying concealed, if lucky to have a permit where you live.

Is the smallest one among issued comm-block 9x18 sidearms (the one on the right)

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b549/spb_la/20160123_164546_resized_zpshfhcyvcy.jpg

mj1
08-19-2016, 7:28 PM
I recommend you get two.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/IMG_20150919_1155246791a_zpsfm4c3jsz.jpg

Domingo
08-19-2016, 8:52 PM
is the recoil that harsh, I been reading that a heavy recoil spring will tame the recoil some and replacing the hammer spring will lighten the double action some

morrcarr67
08-19-2016, 9:11 PM
is the recoil that harsh, I been reading that a heavy recoil spring will tame the recoil some and replacing the hammer spring will lighten the double action some
Recoil can be harsh. I had one and really liked it but the recoil. For me it was about 6-7 magazines and back in the range bag it went.

It is accurate and fun to shoot; just not for long.

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JAGGUY
08-20-2016, 11:44 AM
On mine the recoil was still stout after a heavy recoil spring replacement but manageable. Replacing the hammer spring lightened the DA pretty nicely but then the SA pull was way too light...
Very reliable and accurate.

morrcarr67
08-20-2016, 4:50 PM
Here you go. It's a little bit of a drive but ......

http://www.armslist.com/posts/5792223/sacramento-california-handguns-for-sale--p4-makarov-lookalike----275

jimmylee.kirk
08-20-2016, 7:13 PM
Love my p 64! The wolf spring kit is a must, but it's a blast to shoot.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160821/540585bd217ce4be56d896d226b4b2bb.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160821/7b4917ab47649f8782138471ee82212e.jpg

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sloppy joe
08-20-2016, 7:36 PM
Not a fan of the p64 but who's got a p83?

Capybara
08-20-2016, 8:43 PM
P64 recoil is negligible, it's 9x18 Mak. Sights are tiny, terrible for low light, I painted the front sight post with some nail polish. DA trigger is terrible, but SA is about 4lbs on mine. I bought the Wolff Springs kit but beware, if you lower the DA pull, the SA pull lowers also. I don't need my BU CCW gun to have a hair trigger. Beautifully made, great little guns. 9x18 Mak is still a bit costly and hard to find but perfect caliber to reload, I can do them for about .11 per round with jacketed HPs. Surprisingly accurate gun, I shoot it better than my Makarovs and my CZ83, which makes no sense but that's how it is.

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w489/capybara84/Radom%20P64%20R_zpslogeugia.jpg
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w489/capybara84/Radom%20P64%20L_zpsamx0pp0m.jpg

wolfy
08-21-2016, 4:27 AM
Just curious how a cz 82 compares?

alks207
08-21-2016, 5:50 AM
These are not fun to shoot...especially if you have large hands. Recoils feels like you're shooting a .357 magnum. They are reliable though

morrcarr67
08-21-2016, 6:59 AM
Just curious how a cz 82 compares?

I really like mine. Way more than the P64 i used to have.

It's bigger and has less felt recoil. With the original polygon barrel it's hard to beat it's accuracy. I used to have two of them but sold one and wish i hadn't. The one that I have is on the "Do Not Sell" list.

If you don't reload it is still a fairly cheep round to shoot. You just don't want to try and buy it at your LGS. You need to shop online and buy in case lots. J&G Sales is always a good place to get it; either by driving out and doing some mass shopping or by having it shipped. Right now they have Brown Bear cases for $199.90 ($10 per box of 50) (http://www.jgsales.com/9x18-makarov-brown-bear-94gr-fmj-ammo,-1000rds.-p-62576.html).

Capybara
08-21-2016, 10:56 AM
Just curious how a cz 82 compares?

I have the CZ82 also. CZ82 has a much better trigger (probably the best non-revolver DA trigger I own), is a lot larger and heavier. P64 is a tiny pocket pistol size, CZ82, not so much. Both great C&Rs, just radically different. To me, CZ82 is pretty large and heavy for shooting such a wimpy round. My Shield is smaller and lighter and shoots a more powerful 9x19 round. it's weird, when I shoot all of my 9x18 Mak guns for an hour, than switch to the Shield, the Shield seems like a "magnum", louder, more recoil. 9x18 Mak is a pretty sedate round in comparison.

Capybara
08-21-2016, 10:59 AM
Recoils feels like you're shooting a .357 magnum.

.357 Mag, seriously? I must have superhuman strength or something because to me the P64 feels like a pop gun, very little recoil or kick. I have been shooting mostly Silver Bear, S&B and Geco ammo, average power loads, I guess? For some reason, a lot people think the P64 has "excess recoil". To me, it's really mellow. A .44 Mag, or .500 S&W has excess recoil, the P64, not really unless you are only used to shooting .22s

jimmylee.kirk
08-21-2016, 11:42 AM
.357 Mag, seriously? I mush have superhuman strength or something because to me the P64 feels like a pop gun, very little recoil or kick. I have been shooting mostly Silver Bear, S&B and Geco ammo, average power loads, I guess? For some reason, a lot people think the P64 has "excess recoil". To me, it's really mellow. A .44 Mag, or .500 S&W has excess recoil, the P64, not really unless you are only used to shooting .22s
I think the snappy recoil puts some folks off. Between the wolf springs install and oversized grips I added to mine it's definitely a handy little CCW piece.

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Capybara
08-21-2016, 4:33 PM
What condition do you carry yours in jimmylee? Hammer down on chambered round? So your first shot in a hurry would be DA, right? What would you say the Wolff springs reduced your DA trigger pull to? Did they affect your SA pull?

penguin0123
08-21-2016, 7:20 PM
Recoil is horrendous. Snappy, and the grips just concentrated it in the web of my hand. A 3" 1911 in 45 ACP is more pleasant.

And this is all after adding a heavy recoil spring.

Capybara
08-21-2016, 8:52 PM
Recoil is horrendous. Snappy, and the grips just concentrated it in the web of my hand. A 3" 1911 in 45 ACP is more pleasant.

And this is all after adding a heavy recoil spring.

Man, that "perceived recoil" thing is interesting science. I would love to see a high speed footage slow motion playback of your hand/arm and my hand/arm as we both shoot the P64. I hear "snappy" and a "ton of recoil" a lot with the P64 but for some reason, mine just doesn't seem to feel that way at all, it seems almost like a .22 Magnum at worse. But yours does. I think it boils to bone density, flesh density, stance, fat to muscle ratio and a bunch of other stuff having to do with physics.

I am pretty skinny and tall and lot of supposedly big recoil guns don't seem to recoil that much to me, I shoot my AOW with 3" Magnum slugs and it's manageable but a bit snappy. I shoot a friends .44 Mag revolver with full house loads and it barely tickles my hand. But I shoot my M44s with the Bulgarian Silvertip and it turns me black and blue in 20 rounds while I have friends who can shoot the same all day with only a tiny bit of bruising. Recoil and how it affects people is a puzzle.

jimmylee.kirk
08-22-2016, 6:57 AM
What condition do you carry yours in jimmylee? Hammer down on chambered round? So your first shot in a hurry would be DA, right? What would you say the Wolff springs reduced your DA trigger pull to? Did they affect your SA pull?
Wolf springs made the DA manageable, but didn't seem to affect the SA pull any. Initially the DA was 2 men and a small boy to pull. It's still over 10 lbs. I do carry one in the pipe.

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Coujer
09-29-2016, 10:38 AM
Im looking to sell mine with 150 rounds of ammo and 3 mags and the leather pouch and has the wolff recoil and trigger springs. I need the funds for another project. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/5ba94f7ccb73529f7b80d6c821d49d05.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/81347c5918d8f4cd86cbfd770a9452ae.jpg


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newbie1234
09-29-2016, 3:14 PM
Saw one at Turner Orange on Tustin Blvd last week .

La Costa
09-29-2016, 3:44 PM
Funny you should ask. I fired mine for the first time yesterday. Fun gun but recoil drove back into web of my hand...after several rounds was getting a bit uncomfortable. Mine has the lighter Wolfe trigger springs easing the DA nicely and making the SA quite light but comfortable. I'm happy with the gun but probably won't be putting lots of ammo thru it.

gemini1
09-29-2016, 8:03 PM
Change the grip or put on a Hogue slip on grip and the felt recoil is greatly diminished. But its still more pronounce than my Shield.
Which is why I dont shoot it as often as I do my Shield. Add the fact that ammo is more expensive than 9mm and if you reload, components also cost more. You can trim 9mm brass to 9x18 size, a little savings, but an extra step in the process.