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stilixdax1
08-04-2016, 12:01 PM
Hey fellow calgunners! Looking for a little help. I've been in the market for a 1911 for the longest time. Being a Marine Veteran I've been leaning towards the Colt M45A1 cause its being used by the Marines. I like to hear what you prefer and why over the pistol. Much appreciated:)

Marteen
08-04-2016, 12:11 PM
I think the MC operator will be cheaper for you since there is an On Roster Variant.

If you can get the Colt at a reasonable price get that one. If you can get the one with the USMC roll mark that one is worth more.

stilixdax1
08-04-2016, 12:29 PM
I think the MC operator will be cheaper for you since there is an On Roster Variant.

If you can get the Colt at a reasonable price get that one. If you can get the one with the USMC roll mark that one is worth more.
Thanks for the input Marteen! I am currently talking to a potential seller of the Colt whose already put 300 rounds into the gun. We are currently working on pricing and he says he'll take it to a couple of gun shops to get an appraisal for it. What do you think the appraisal value should be?

Marteen
08-04-2016, 12:31 PM
A buddy of mine just sold his for 2300. It was BNIB though. I've seen MC Operators go for 950 to 1300 on here

stormvet
08-04-2016, 12:42 PM
The Springfield is a standard railed 1911, almost all railed 1911 holsters will fit it.

The Colt needs a holster designed for its thicker rail, if you have other railed 1911s your holsters will not fit the Colt.

The Springfield has a standard single spring recoil spring.

The Colt uses a double recoil spring assembly.

The Springfield is on the roaster(old style anyway) and much cheaper, around $1100.

Colt is off roaster, civilian model roughly $1600, military model $2500.

I own the Springfield, buddy owns the Colt(civilian model). Both shoot well, but I think I would still rether have the Springer. But I have other railed 1911s, all my holsters and recoil springs are interchangeable and I like that.

Marteen
08-04-2016, 12:54 PM
Another thing that came to mind. At the 1500-1700 price range you can probably get a TRP Operator (full rail is on roster, half rail is off).

The benefit is of you wanted a checkered front strap it's done already. Otherwise it will cost you 200 to 500 to checker the Colt or the MC Operator.

The TRP was modeled after the HRT which is the FBI Hostage Rescue Team 1911. It also has all the hand fitting that make them sweet shooters.

stilixdax1
08-04-2016, 1:45 PM
If the price wasn't too much a factor and I just want one 1911 for a nightstand/range gun does that sway any of your guys opinion?

Rhyyke
08-04-2016, 2:03 PM
I would go with the Springfield as personally I don't find the Colt to be worth the off-roster premium. Out in the free world I would probably go with the Colt.

stilixdax1
08-04-2016, 2:48 PM
I would go with the Springfield as personally I don't find the Colt to be worth the off-roster premium. Out in the free world I would probably go with the Colt.
If only the Colt was on the roster it may change everything.

1911Luvr
08-04-2016, 2:53 PM
I have the MC Operator and the Colt Railgun which is almost identical to the M45, and the Springfield is hands down a much better pistol. The quality on the Colt sucked out of the box, with the fit and finish of parts being way below expectations. The MIM parts were crappy even by MIM standards, and I had to have the rail machined to fit my SurefireX300 because it was out of spec. The Springfield fit and finish is superb, and the warranty is the best in the business. Overall the MC Operator would get my vote every time.

heidad01
08-04-2016, 3:10 PM
That colt is one of the most rediculously over priced 1911s I have ever seen. And, no, it won't make you an Army Ranger or Special Ops if you spent that kind of cash on a gun that has nothing special other than the name. You want a Colt? They make many other 1911s that sell at reasonable prices and do the exact same thing. ;)

stilixdax1
08-04-2016, 3:39 PM
I have the MC Operator and the Colt Railgun which is almost identical to the M45, and the Springfield is hands down a much better pistol. The quality on the Colt sucked out of the box, with the fit and finish of parts being way below expectations. The MIM parts were crappy even by MIM standards, and I had to have the rail machined to fit my SurefireX300 because it was out of spec. The Springfield fit and finish is superb, and the warranty is the best in the business. Overall the MC Operator would get my vote every time.
I've been hearing a lot about Springfield's excellent customer service. Can you elaborate about their warranty and overall cs? Thanks!

Kwikvette
08-04-2016, 3:43 PM
From one marine vet to another, you need; an M4 variant, M16A4 variant, a couple of beretta's, an M1A.......it goes on and on....

jarhead714
08-04-2016, 4:37 PM
That colt is one of the most rediculously over priced 1911s I have ever seen. And, no, it won't make you an Army Ranger or Special Ops if you spent that kind of cash on a gun that has nothing special other than the name. You want a Colt? They make many other 1911s that sell at reasonable prices and do the exact same thing. ;)

This^ and the Springfield isn't ugly like the Colt.

stilixdax1
08-04-2016, 4:41 PM
Man at first I was really hard set on the Colt. Now you guys are positively influencing me into the Springfield! I love the power of the forum

Jaycee916
08-04-2016, 4:48 PM
Op I think Impact guns.com has the Marine corps 1911 in their California section for $1500...

1911Luvr
08-04-2016, 4:56 PM
I've been hearing a lot about Springfield's excellent customer service. Can you elaborate about their warranty and overall cs? Thanks!


I personally have only had the need to call on their warranty once. I had a problem with a barrel on a Loaded model after several thousand rounds, so after calling them they immediately sent me a FedEx call tag. I dropped it off at the FedEx station and instead of just replacing the barrel, they upgraded it to the TRP barrel at no cost and actually fit it so it has a rock solid lockup. That was within 10 days, but instead of sending it back I had them send it over to their custom shop for some work. I had about $1500 worth of work done and the whole thing took only about 3 months. They even shipped it back on their dime since it was originally sent in on a warranty.

I did have another friend use the warranty for his 9mm Loaded Target model that had a problem with the barrel link. He sent it in and ended up do the same thing I did with SACS. His took about 20 weeks, but he did nearly $3K worth of work- pretty much everything that could be done was done, including a gorgeous black Melonite over everything. It's a damn show-stopper now and shoots ridiculously accurate groups. If I sound at all jealous it's because I am!

xfile
08-04-2016, 6:11 PM
Hard to beat the springer at that price....

el_clingon
08-04-2016, 6:18 PM
Why don't you get a glock 19, since the Navy SEALs are using them. I like the MC Operator more than the Colt, but if you can get a Colt M45A1 CQBP at a fair price get it.

stormvet
08-04-2016, 6:28 PM
Why don't you get a glock 19, since the Navy SEALs are using them. I like the MC Operator more than the Colt, but if you can get a Colt M45A1 CQBP at a fair price get it.

:facepalm:

Infidelxx
08-04-2016, 7:18 PM
I would get the MC. Mine is a tack driver and eats everything it's fed. Fit and finish are perfect. For the price they can't be beat imho. When I got it the front sight was not bright at all. I called Sprinfield and they replaced it free of course with zero hassle. They really have great customer service.

fritztkatt
08-04-2016, 7:19 PM
The m45s are nice (actual US property), but for the average guy, not worth the money. You could have a similar model like the MC cera-koted and what not and still be under budget.

Lots of us, including myself are pleased with our 19's.

Can vouch for SA customer service. Had 2 grip screws take a dump, they did a drill/tap/fit oversize bushings and replace the mainspring (grip safety finger snapped off). No questions asked, took less than 2 weeks to be back to me.

Noonanda
08-04-2016, 8:15 PM
I have a few buddies still on active duty, they are on the SRT team up here. They have the Colt's but the finish doesn't hold up to use, one also has the MC and says he thinks the MC is a better gun.

stilixdax1
08-04-2016, 9:49 PM
Well you guys definitely sold me on the Springfield Operator. What type of make and brand laser/light should I mount on it then? I'm going to go the the store on Monday to check it out!:patriot:

G26er
08-04-2016, 9:58 PM
If money isn't an issue, get the Colt

etwinam
08-04-2016, 10:15 PM
My MC operator is a hello of a nachine, I have shot many guns and I am looking for a better gun than my operator but seriously finding a hard time upgrading unless I go Wilson or Ed Brown... Great all around gun IMHO

solipsism
08-04-2016, 10:17 PM
Look into a TRP Operator. Of course, the Colt will always be worth more if that matters.

Marteen
08-04-2016, 11:09 PM
I definitely say look at the trp full rail or half rail operator (half is off roster).

As for lights, I went with a Surefire x400 ultra. Figured I bought an expensive gun, might as well a good light laser.

Watch this video, and you will be a fan of the trp operator

https://youtu.be/M_R94LstfZg

1911whore
08-04-2016, 11:13 PM
Never SHOT the Colt, BUT every example of the civi version I have touched(selling for 1800 or so) has been badly built.Barrel springing, ****ty triggers, loose slide and frame fits... I would go TRP or MC op over it all day long. I can not speak for the Mil version with the pelican case that sells on here for like 3k....never touched one.

XDJYo
08-05-2016, 7:04 AM
I'm actually quite pleased that the SA MC Operator has such glowing reviews over the Colt. It is one of the very few mid-level, on-roster railed 1911's around that don't cost a great deal.

I know it isn't an exact comparison, but to my 'eyes', there is just something about an old WWII Colt. Have only shot an old Colt once a while ago. I was quite giddy about it. But, was too starry-eyed to make any assessment over fit-finish etc.

I am actually thinking of getting an MC Operator for HD (due to a rail and well, it's a 1911!). A TRP Full Rail might be a bit over the top for HD. But, those are nice too!

Happy shooting and be safe!

stilixdax1
08-05-2016, 8:52 PM
I definitely say look at the trp full rail or half rail operator (half is off roster).

As for lights, I went with a Surefire x400 ultra. Figured I bought an expensive gun, might as well a good light laser.

Watch this video, and you will be a fan of the trp operator

https://youtu.be/M_R94LstfZg
I'll definitely give that a look!

chetly
08-06-2016, 8:14 AM
Ive had a Sig TacOps, a Kimber Pro Carry 2 and an MC Operator. the MC Operator has been on a different level. Very tight, fit and finish is outstanding and runs through ammo like a bull through a China shop. Nothing stops it.

stilixdax1
08-08-2016, 11:47 PM
Well guys, because of your input I am now a proud owner of the SA MC Operator! Thanks everyone can't wait to shoot this gun!:2guns:

1911Luvr
08-09-2016, 1:11 AM
Well guys, because of your input I am now a proud owner of the SA MC Operator! Thanks everyone can't wait to shoot this gun!:2guns:



Great choice, congratulations!

grim1U
08-09-2016, 10:00 AM
I prefer Springfield anything to Colt, especially since all SA are series70 style. Having said that, Colt does Blueing Finish awesome. Visually, there is nothing like a blued Colt, but if I'm going to run it I will take a SA any day.

AKexpat
08-09-2016, 5:05 PM
If the price wasn't too much a factor and I just want one 1911 for a nightstand/range gun, does that sway any of your guys opinion?

I'm an outsider. I am not from nor do I live in CA. I live in WA State where your legislators' ideas are creeping northward. I do like browsing this CalGuns forum insofar as trying to figure out what will inevitably come north, and all of your firearm designations/regulations, which I am trying to understand when the SHTF here. Too bad for us here.

My mindset says if I was looking for a nightstand/range pistol, I would get an RIA. It is in the range of around $500-$600 here. I don't know if it is on your roster. The pistol is robust and has a fairly good rep for function. I would buy one if looking for a pistol that runs well but is not fancy. I have no idea what else you are looking for in a "nightstand" pistol.

I'm 64 :oji: and have worked on my 1911 pistols since 1992. I have had several, to include a Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super, a Para Ord P-14, and a Colt Commander (alloy frame) in .45 ACP.

Once one learns "prezactly" how they function and what internal mods (not speaking of all of the tacticool add-on parts) can be tweaked, one can correct any deficiencies. But, then, you folks might not like to void whatever warrantees there are, and if they are any good. :eek:

It appears to me that most folks here are willing to buy a 1911 (whatever flavor) for $1000-$1500+ NIB and are more than willing to send it back to the factory for any perceived problems rather than checking it out themselves. I guess that is the new wave of pistol ownership (or, don't touch it because one might void the warranty).

In 1992 I bought a used 1984 AMT Hardballer (Covina) (go ahead and laugh, folks) stainless (Gold Cup copy) for $150 with 2 factory mags (7-rd.). Covinas were known for soft stainless pins and I replaced the sear pin, hammer pin, extractor, hammer strut, firing pin, and extended thumb safety with blued carbon steel pins and throated the barrel, and set the hammer/sear clearance at .020" for a trigger pull of 4.5#, using Jerry Kuhnhausen's bible. It has been my SD/HD/truck gun for 23 years, and will feed and fire just about any FMJ/HP ammo. It ain't pretty, but it runs.

Other than sweat equity, I have ~$250 in this pistol.


http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii274/sourdoughjim/1911Hardballer006_zpsb444b2dc.jpg


Well guys, because of your input I am now a proud owner of the SA MC Operator! Thanks everyone can't wait to shoot this gun!:2guns:

Nice pistol, sir! Still a bit overboard for a nightstand gun, IMO.

Your money, your choice.

Lead Waster
08-09-2016, 5:12 PM
Hey and remember that MC Operator stands for Marine Corp Operator! So, you know, that's you!

vinny_land
08-09-2016, 5:35 PM
Do you want a Series 70 or 80???

1911Luvr
08-09-2016, 6:05 PM
I'm an outsider. I am not from nor do I live in CA. I live in WA State where your legislators' ideas are creeping northward. I do like browsing this CalGuns forum insofar as trying to figure out what will inevitably come north, and all of your firearm designations/regulations, which I am trying to understand when the SHTF here. Too bad for us here.



My mindset says if I was looking for a nightstand/range pistol, I would get an RIA. It is in the range of around $500-$600 here. I don't know if it is on your roster. The pistol is robust and has a fairly good rep for function. I would buy one if looking for a pistol that runs well but is not fancy. I have no idea what else you are looking for in a "nightstand" pistol.



I'm 64 :oji: and have worked on my 1911 pistols since 1992. I have had several, to include a Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super, a Para Ord P-14, and a Colt Commander (alloy frame) in .45 ACP.



Once one learns "prezactly" how they function and what internal mods (not speaking of all of the tacticool add-on parts) can be tweaked, one can correct any deficiencies. But, then, you folks might not like to void whatever warrantees there are, and if they are any good. :eek:



It appears to me that most folks here are willing to buy a 1911 (whatever flavor) for $1000-$1500+ NIB and are more than willing to send it back to the factory for any perceived problems rather than checking it out themselves. I guess that is the new wave of pistol ownership (or, don't touch it because one might void the warranty).



In 1992 I bought a used 1984 AMT Hardballer (Covina) (go ahead and laugh, folks) stainless (Gold Cup copy) for $150 with 2 factory mags (7-rd.). Covinas were known for soft stainless pins and I replaced the sear pin, hammer pin, extractor, hammer strut, firing pin, and extended thumb safety with blued carbon steel pins and throated the barrel, and set the hammer/sear clearance at .020" for a trigger pull of 4.5#, using Jerry Kuhnhausen's bible. It has been my SD/HD/truck gun for 23 years, and will feed and fire just about any FMJ/HP ammo. It ain't pretty, but it runs.



Other than sweat equity, I have ~$250 in this pistol.





http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii274/sourdoughjim/1911Hardballer006_zpsb444b2dc.jpg









Nice pistol, sir! Still a bit overboard for a nightstand gun, IMO.



Your money, your choice.



The OP was discussing railed 1911s, presumably so he can use them with a light. Besides the fact that the OP only requested input on the two specific guns above, the railed 1911s from Rock Island are not on the roster so are not an option for him.

As for checking the pistol out ourselves, I knew what was wrong with mine and sent it back for them to repair. It would be beyond silly to spend my own money to fix it when it has a lifetime warranty. I did choose to have custom work done there as well, not because I'm incapable of working on my gun, but rather I don't have a mill, checkering files, hot tank for bluing salts, etc. Plus I, like many others, also prefer the touch of a master craftsman when it comes to my 1911s, because it is far more than just a tool to me- that's the job I leave to tactical Tupperware.

Overboard is a relative term based on the requirement of the individual in need comparative to their means. The level of quality and performance expected by the OP for a firearm that he will entrust with his life may be different than you or I, however either of those pistols hardly equate to overboard for someone that spends time on this forum. While a Wilson Combat might be overboard for a nightstand gun for me, if the OP has the wealth and is accustomed to finer things, a Wilson would not be an unrealistic expectation for someone of that stature.

Carcassonne
08-09-2016, 6:40 PM
Hey fellow calgunners! Looking for a little help. I've been in the market for a 1911 for the longest time. Being a Marine Veteran I've been leaning towards the Colt M45A1 cause its being used by the Marines. I like to hear what you prefer and why over the pistol. Much appreciated:)

The Marines used the standard 1911A1 from 1924 to 1985. Why not that model?


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Marteen
08-09-2016, 6:44 PM
The Marines used the standard 1911A1 from 1924 to 1985. Why not that model?


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Because it's 2016, and they stopped using them in 1985......jk. had to say that. I have a springfield pro and I want a gi model to show the difference.

Cool Custard
08-10-2016, 3:59 AM
Could've gone with a Dan Wesson specialist! Best railed 1911 you could buy in that price range.

Congrats on the mc op.

Kean
08-10-2016, 9:18 AM
Congrats on the new MC OP. I really like mine and I know you will probably feel the same as you get some lead down range with it.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z174/Kean_1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160406_202815915_zpsgqwxjimr.jpg

deephouse
08-10-2016, 9:24 AM
Own a Colt but it's basically our family heirloom. Wanted a 1911 I could "beat up more"... That said RIA fit the bill. If I had to do it again (today without SSE) I would probably go Springfield.

Congrats OP!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160810/58f302bd641e1e065e2c09ff85a29802.jpg


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stilixdax1
08-14-2016, 7:04 PM
The OP was discussing railed 1911s, presumably so he can use them with a light. Besides the fact that the OP only requested input on the two specific guns above, the railed 1911s from Rock Island are not on the roster so are not an option for him.

As for checking the pistol out ourselves, I knew what was wrong with mine and sent it back for them to repair. It would be beyond silly to spend my own money to fix it when it has a lifetime warranty. I did choose to have custom work done there as well, not because I'm incapable of working on my gun, but rather I don't have a mill, checkering files, hot tank for bluing salts, etc. Plus I, like many others, also prefer the touch of a master craftsman when it comes to my 1911s, because it is far more than just a tool to me- that's the job I leave to tactical Tupperware.

Overboard is a relative term based on the requirement of the individual in need comparative to their means. The level of quality and performance expected by the OP for a firearm that he will entrust with his life may be different than you or I, however either of those pistols hardly equate to overboard for someone that spends time on this forum. While a Wilson Combat might be overboard for a nightstand gun for me, if the OP has the wealth and is accustomed to finer things, a Wilson would not be an unrealistic expectation for someone of that stature.
Couldn't have said it any better!

stilixdax1
08-14-2016, 7:10 PM
Like I said before, thanks to all who contributed to this forum. The opinions were invalueable! I consider myself to be an average Joe with not a ton of money in the world who wants to get things right the first time. With that said "I don't always buy 1911s but when I do I prefer Springfield Armory."

stilixdax1
08-14-2016, 7:11 PM
Congrats on the new MC OP. I really like mine and I know you will probably feel the same as you get some lead down range with it.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z174/Kean_1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160406_202815915_zpsgqwxjimr.jpg
Thanks! I pick it up on the 19th and hope to go downrange on the 20th!