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Stubbie
09-24-2008, 8:29 PM
At the risk of sounding of a hardcore asshat, I've bought and used a reflex sight and spring-loaded bi-pod grip that I got from a airsoft store. The grip being 20$ a piece and the sight is going for 50$, I thought what the heck...I'll give it a shot. So I slapped it on my S&W MP15T.
Though I was extremely skeptical at first, both gear performed much better than I ever could of ever hoped for. The grip with the extended bipod held up to everything I could throw at it. What suprised me the most is the cheapo china reflext sight clone acutally held zero at 100 yard after 100 rounds. :eek:
I admit the reticle on the red-dot clone is somewhat blurry and washed out comparing to it's 450$ meprolight counter part and I definetly won't trust my life with it. But at 50$, I felt like it was a steal and I'll take using airsoft reflex sight over iron sight anyday. I felt like throwing another 50$ away to buy the aimpoint clone and see how well that performs.
Anyone else got stories of when they tried using some knock off gear? I would like to hear about it. :D

fusionstar
09-24-2008, 8:39 PM
If commercial products were 100%, airsoft would be 90% functionally, 10-20% value, 5-50% quality.

I have seen airsoft clones perform well but usually some point down the line, alot of times the same day. The stuff goes kaput. Price wise.. They cant be beat though.

3rd_gear
09-24-2008, 8:43 PM
Don't put any airsoft sh*t on your gun. I was feeling cheap a while back and bought an AR carry handle, the sight adjustments literally fell apart after about 50 rounds.

Young Version
09-24-2008, 8:59 PM
I refuse to put anything made in China on my rifle, period. I bought a set of Millett rings that now sit in my range bag because they sure as hell aren't going on my AR.

The thought of mounting anything made for an airsoft gun on my rifle is laughable. Sure, it may work for some amount of time, but it's not meant for a real firearm and in most cases it's not made to last.

dribbler
09-24-2008, 9:02 PM
ive seen lots of guys with LaRue mounts, surefire lights, real Eotechs/ACOG's etc on their airsoft rifles, and all that stuff seems to hold up well enough

fusionstar
09-24-2008, 9:15 PM
Real guns dont want airsoft crap on it.
Airsoft guns WANT real crap on it.

But seeing some airsoft matches, they use there gear way way more aggressive than I ever would in a days shoot.

But one thing that will make you laugh every time is seeing big guys decked out in tactical gear, low on breath, and yelling for cover while he rushes the no mans land which is 30 feet wide hahaha. I personally have a m16 airsoft that I practice quick acquisitions once in a while on the couch.

scotthmt
09-24-2008, 9:47 PM
i got a knock off eotech and it works well, but generally any talk of knock off stuff here usually is call for flame.

Stubbie
09-24-2008, 9:48 PM
Yeah, as expected the general consensus on airsoft gear is negative. Ha ha.
I would like to get my hands on actual eotechs and aimpoints before I make the 450+$ commitment and see for myself the awsome difference. Most of what I know is checking them out in forums and such. Does anyone know a way in southern california to check these gears out in person before making the buy?

DedEye
09-24-2008, 9:49 PM
Yeah, as expected the general consensus on airsoft gear is negative. Ha ha.
I would like to get my hands on actual eotechs and aimpoints before I make the 450+$ commitment and see for myself the awsome difference. Most of what I know is checking them out in forums and such. Does anyone know a way in southern california to check these gears out in person before making the buy?

Talk to some of the vendors here on Calguns. Addax Tactical or Riflegear might have some in stock that they'd let you take a look at.

If you make your way up to the Bay Area you can see some in Bullseye.

aplinker
09-25-2008, 12:49 AM
Yeah, as expected the general consensus on airsoft gear is negative. Ha ha.
I would like to get my hands on actual eotechs and aimpoints before I make the 450+$ commitment and see for myself the awsome difference. Most of what I know is checking them out in forums and such. Does anyone know a way in southern california to check these gears out in person before making the buy?

That's why you buy used. EOTechs and Aimpoints go for under $300.

You get what you pay for - it will die at some point. Most of the most negative people when it comes to airsoft actually use their gear for more than "range sessions" - stuff like 3-gun, tactical matches, etc.

I've seen Aimpoints that have been almost unrecognizable, multiple layers of paint, the knobs chewed up, the bodies bent... but the optic runs great. That's worth paying for.

There's an old saying... cheap stuff is cheap because they can't charge more for it. If they could, they would.

VAHEVAHE
09-25-2008, 1:57 AM
Do not go cheap on a real gun, there's a reason why stuff costs more.

BroncoBob
09-25-2008, 7:15 AM
Doesn't work for me. No air soft items on my rifles.

thefurball
09-25-2008, 7:22 AM
There is a reason its cheap. This is one of those situations where you get what you pay for.

You gonna go you the $1,000- per night escort or the $20- street corner escort? Afterall they're both escorts, right?

:rolleyes:

scotthmt
09-25-2008, 11:22 AM
There is a reason its cheap. This is one of those situations where you get what you pay for.

You gonna go you the $1,000- per night escort or the $20- street corner escort? Afterall they're both escorts, right?

:rolleyes:


the $20 dollar one, and buy 50 of them.
:D

megavolt121
09-25-2008, 11:35 AM
the $20 dollar one, and buy 50 of them.
:D

You should probably only buy 40 of them and save the other $200 for medical bills. :D:D:D

With that said, I have seen cheap knock offs and the real thing. For optics a knock off will work for now and it *could* be good for you to experiment with the setup you want before you spend the $$$ to buy the real one (ie aimpoint vs acog). In terms of rails/grip pods, etc, if you're asking this question it is obvious that you aren't using this stuff for more than benchrest shooting, possibly an occasional tactical match/3 gun. IF this is the case, sure go cheap if you really want to because you're not going to be using it to save your life.

BroncoBob
09-25-2008, 11:53 AM
You should probably only buy 40 of them and save the other $200 for medical bills. :D:D:D

With that said, I have seen cheap knock offs and the real thing. For optics a knock off will work for now and it *could* be good for you to experiment with the setup you want before you spend the $$$ to buy the real one (ie aimpoint vs acog). In terms of rails/grip pods, etc, if you're asking this question it is obvious that you aren't using this stuff for more than benchrest shooting, possibly an occasional tactical match/3 gun. IF this is the case, sure go cheap if you really want to because you're not going to be using it to save your life.

I think I would switch it around spend $200.00 keep the rest for medical. ROFL

:rofl2:

scotthmt
09-25-2008, 12:27 PM
my knock off is such, a knock off, and it works well, i've have very respectable members of calguns shoot my gun with it and they said they liked it even after i mentioned it was a knock off. Being said, it is a knock off and i would not want to trust my life to it, but I would if there was no other option, but BUIS are where i like to keep it.

palakaboy
09-25-2008, 1:22 PM
im a huge *** fan of using what works.

if it's stupid and it works...

it aint stupid!

technically UTG first started making cheap airsoft stuff....

then moved onto real guns...

Young Version
09-25-2008, 2:08 PM
im a huge *** fan of using what works.

if it's stupid and it works...

it aint stupid!

technically UTG first started making cheap airsoft stuff....

then moved onto real guns...

I'm not sure I'd use UTG as an example of a quality firearm parts manufacturer.

6172crew
09-25-2008, 2:59 PM
I bought a fakepoint for my 22lr/M16 setup, I want to see how well it will work on a 5.5 inch upper, if it doesn't work I have a bb gun to use...I have 2 other aimpoints and those are on larger caliber.

The Cable Guy
09-25-2008, 10:46 PM
I use UTG bags and a UTG red dot for my .22 AR.

MB260E
09-25-2008, 11:46 PM
I refuse to put anything made in China on my rifle, period. I bought a set of Millett rings that now sit in my range bag because they sure as hell aren't going on my AR.

The thought of mounting anything made for an airsoft gun on my rifle is laughable. Sure, it may work for some amount of time, but it's not meant for a real firearm and in most cases it's not made to last.

That's great, but the "higher-end" airsoft is made in Japan with a lot better quality control. But I do agree that airsoft is only a temp, VERY temporary as it just can't hold zero on a real AR.

5968
09-26-2008, 1:22 AM
Leave the airsoft stuff on the airsoft. For a real firearm, it is better to buy quality once rather then keep replacing junk.

eltee
09-26-2008, 10:36 AM
I have an "airsoft" replica of an Aimpoint 3x magnifier on my Eagle Arms EA15 (M4 upper) rig. It is mounted in a real Larue pivot mount and mated to a real Aimpoint M2 in a real Larue mount. It works well and is solid.

There is some level of disinformation out there regarding so-called "airsoft" optics. Certainly, much of what is for sale is strictly for toys and not intended for the rigors and recoil of a real firearm (please, no offense meant towards airsofters, I use the term toy generically to mean non-firearm). However, alot of optics marketed heavily in the airsoft community are actually firearms rated and made by companies who manufacture firearms optics.

In my case, I could not afford to buy a real Aimpoint magnifier and discover I didn't like it. Now that I have tried this "airsoft" one I will probably buy a real one, but only if this one fails. It works great. It has a bright image, the magnification is distortion free and it fits solidly in the mount. The only difference I can notice is that the eye relief is a little less tolerant than on a real magnifier. I adjusted the mounting to accomodate my personal LOP and it works fine, and I saved a bunch of money. If it should fail while in use, I can simply swivel it aside and use the Aimpoint as a standalone. If the real Aimpoint fails, the BUIS are co-witnessed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eltee49/Gunz/MyM4Larue.jpg

For my daughter's Lazer Tag gun, I used another clone/replica optic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eltee49/Lazer%20Tag/NewRedDotBase.jpg

It is a TacPoint made by Hakko optics. Now Hakko does, in fact, make real firearms optics. The TacPoint is a replica of the Aimpoint. IMHO, it is just as good on some levels, and a bargain to boot. It is bright, sturdy, with a clear image and a bright dot (maybe not as much as on my Aimpoints, but absolutely useable and effective). I'm sure the battery life is nothing like my real Aimpoint and is probably not submersible but I'd put it on one of my rifles in a heartbeat. It was roughly 1/4 or so of my real Aimpoints, so it is a bargain. Sure, it's not an Aimpoint, but that doesn't mean it won't work effectively on a firearm. As you can see from the photo, this scope has been pretty thrashed. The kids play in the schoolyard and in the woods. The Laser Tag guns get dropped, bumped, etc. probably more so than a real gun, so the optics are not pampered. Thus far this Hakko clone Aimpoint has survived.

If you can afford the real, original optic, then certainly that would be the way to go but if you are on a budget then an economical alternative could be a clone optic made by a company that makes optics for firearms.

maxicon
09-26-2008, 12:53 PM
I'm not sure I'd use UTG as an example of a quality firearm parts manufacturer.

UTG's a pretty good example of a mid-range Chinese vendor.

I don't know if they manufacture everything, or just put their name on it, as the quality's all over the map. Some of their stuff is junk, and some of it is very good.

Their soft goods - bags, vests, etc - get good reviews for the price. Sure, they're not up to the $200 name brands, but they're actually functional and reasonable solid. Likewise, their vertical foregrips get good reviews.

Same for their railed handguards - people who actually use them are mostly happy with them. They're made to spec, lock up solid (as solid as any handguard held in by the delta ring, anyway), and hold up under use.

Other gear, like BUIS and carry handles, are a mixed bag, and have problems like not being milspec or not holding up under use.

Like most Chinese vendors, quality control can be iffy, and you get an out of spec part sometimes, but they're pretty good at covering that sort of thing.

For range gear on a budget, you can do just fine if you get feedback from people who have actually used it before buying. Sure, you're better off buying the good stuff from the big boys, but not everyone has the money or desire to outfit their hobby gear with the high-end spread.

palakaboy
09-26-2008, 1:00 PM
i dont see a point in buying super high end gear when i only go to the range 6x a year.

my 100$ eotech holds its zero and was really cheap.

the airsoft sights i'm using are pretty damn sturdy as well.

maybe it's cause i used the high end airsoft crap.


ps- gsg-5 people use classic army stuff all the time.

eltee
09-27-2008, 8:15 AM
My Rhineland R22 came without iron sights and I never saw any available. I needed H&K type iron sights, but real H&K sights generally were not meant for mounting on a rail...except for the HK 416 sights (I tried using the sights off my SL8's rail, but the SL8 iron sights did not fit the R22 rail). The 416's were in the $225.00 plus range which I thought was too expensive for me, so I bought some metal clone airsoft sights. They fit perfectly on my little .22 and blended in with the overall H&K "look" the gun has.

If the price ever comes down on some "real" 416 sights (even ones not made by H&K) I'll consider getting some, but for now these are fine. I use loctite on the mounting hardware to keep it secure, but since there are no optics involved I think these sights should be fine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eltee49/Gunz/R22FolderClosed.jpg

As a side note that is somewhat relevant to this topic, the scope on the R22 above and the scope on my HK94 below

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eltee49/Gunz/H%20and%20Ks/HK94_0008_edited_copy.jpg

are both pellet gun scopes. They are the well known Beeman scopes from the 80's. The HK94 was a police rifle that I used through training, SWAT school and during the Millenium night panic, etc. (we later went to M4's with Eotechs or Aimpoints). The armorer who built the HK94 (insides reworked, Williams trigger, etc.) selected the Beeman scope because he said it was the best scope for that use at that time (preceded Aimpoints, Eotechs, etc.) and because he'd determined it was absolutely sturdy and reliable enough for daily use on a 9mm rifle. That generation of Beeman pellet gun scopes had a reputation for quality, and being designed for pellet guns they are overbuilt to withstand bi-directional recoil. I've had that HK94 / Beeman pellet gun scope combination since 1983.

onenevertoconform
09-27-2008, 9:11 AM
Dribbler :smilielol5:

technique
09-27-2008, 10:37 AM
I agree that airsoft gear should only be used for airsoft, not for real guns. I wouldn't even use the crappy single stitched "load bearing" gear, unless your bearing a load of BB's.

jandmtv
09-27-2008, 10:42 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again!

Firends don't let friends buy Leapers/UTG

eltee
09-27-2008, 1:19 PM
I occasionally do some photo and film work involving guns, prop and real. In this photo, I mixed and matched some real and airsoft parts. There is one real gun in this photo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eltee49/G36/Trio3LR.jpg

For my real H&K, they do not have available what's referred to as the "KV" model stock. This was a folding stock with adjustable LOP. The one made for the airsoft was extremely strong, using a fiberglass reinforced polymer the same as H&K. One guy I know used one on his G36 for over a year with no problems, so I bought one and the guy doing my G36 rebuild is mounting an airsoft stock on mine. Again, I am using an airsoft part because the real H&K item is totally unavailable at any price.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eltee49/G36/OnRealSteel2.jpg

This is an airsoft using the real H&K optic handle and Surefire forend off of my real gun.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eltee49/G36/SAW1.jpg

I guess the airsoft = real steel interchangeability can go both ways. :D

Beelzy
09-27-2008, 1:27 PM
Heretics. :D

workinwifdakids
09-27-2008, 2:51 PM
There is a reason its cheap. This is one of those situations where you get what you pay for.

You gonna go you the $1,000- per night escort or the $20- street corner escort? After all they're both escorts, right?


the $20 dollar one, and buy 50 of them.


Quantity has a quality all its own!