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edittman1
09-17-2008, 12:19 PM
So, I've found one new and in stock in .338 LAPUA.

It's $1570.00 plus shipping.

I'm not really in to hunting, but maybe some day I might be. Am I crazy for buying one of these? I mean I kind of just want it to have a big caliber rifle. :D

Oh yes, I will be reloading it for sure.

Any thoughts/feedback before I pull the trigger? :chris:

MrSlippyFist
09-17-2008, 12:26 PM
Never shot one, got a bunch of 338 lapua brass if you decide to pull the trigger.

edittman1
09-17-2008, 12:33 PM
What kind of brass...? Price? :)

wildcard
09-17-2008, 12:37 PM
Never shot one, got a bunch of 338 lapua brass if you decide to pull the trigger.

Lapua brand? Price :) I have already pulled the trigger!

Fjold
09-17-2008, 12:51 PM
I wouldn't necessarily think that the 338 Lapua is a hunting round unless you count two legged game.

It makes a heck of a long range target round but if you only have access to 100 yard ranges it is kind of like putting an afterburner on a turtle.

MrSlippyFist
09-17-2008, 12:54 PM
brass headstamp:

338 Lapua Mag

Knight
09-17-2008, 1:12 PM
. . . it is kind of like putting an afterburner on a turtle.

That would still be pretty awesome. :43:

It sound like you've already committed yourself to this gun, but have you considered .50 DTC?

5968
09-17-2008, 2:06 PM
The .338 Lapua is a long range round that would be over kill for most animals in in the United States. Not saying you couldn't hunt with it, but you are probably going to damage a lot of the meat. For hunting, I stick with the 30-06. It is tried and true and has served me well over the last two decades. I wouldn't mind having a 338, but I would use as a long range paper puncher.

edittman1
09-17-2008, 2:09 PM
Ordered.

:jump:

MrSlippyFist
09-17-2008, 2:17 PM
The .338 Lapua is a long range round that would be over kill for most animals in in the United States.

The north american grazing liberal has been growing in size exponentially since fast food chains hit the midwest in force in the 60's. They are rumored to be added as game animals for sporting purposes by federal agencies soon, as they are becoming a great threat to the delicate ecosystems of north america.

supersonic
09-17-2008, 2:26 PM
The first time you let the hammer down on it, make sure you are wearing MAJOR hearing protection, and a "man-goo" recepticle. Yes, it's THAT awesome. I know this, please believe!!!!;)

MrSlippyFist
09-17-2008, 2:30 PM
HAHAHAHAH nice.

I think I had a similar experience my first time on the M2

fr0ng
09-17-2008, 2:36 PM
Ordered.

:jump:

feil

5968
09-17-2008, 2:42 PM
The north american grazing liberal has been growing in size exponentially since fast food chains hit the midwest in force in the 60's. They are rumored to be added as game animals for sporting purposes by federal agencies soon, as they are becoming a great threat to the delicate ecosystems of north america.

When they become legal to hunt, the .338 would be an excellent round for bagging them. I really hope that there won't be a bag limit!

MrSlippyFist
09-17-2008, 2:47 PM
You may need a semi truck to haul some of the bigger ones that you'd get on the bible belt.

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 3:11 PM
Factory loaded ammunition is between $4-$7 PER ROUND. Plan on reloading or spending A LOT of money on ammunition. Even with bulk reloading, you will only get it loaded for as low as about 1.00 per round after amortizing the price of brass out over 5-10 loads. I reload for this round and it eats a ton of powder. Depending on what powder you are using, it east 70-100 grains of powder per round. With an 80 grain powder load, you are only getting about 100 rounds per pound of powder. (a pound is 20-30 bucks).

X-NewYawker
09-17-2008, 3:19 PM
Ar-50 is great gun.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Rooker-w-AR50.jpg
So I figured AR-30 would be too.
I've had a request in for an AR-30 in 308 for TWO YEARS.

Ultimately, there are more attractive 338 Lapuas --
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/_MG_4586.jpg

but none as bare bones cheap.

double0b
09-17-2008, 3:20 PM
'Didn't know that the AR-30 was still legal to purchase in CA...

BigBamBoo
09-17-2008, 3:20 PM
..............

Bowser
09-17-2008, 3:22 PM
I have one for sell at work. Box of 20 Federal 338LM is $48.

X-NewYawker
09-17-2008, 3:23 PM
'Didn't know that the AR-30 was still legal to purchase in CA...

The AR-30 is a single shot or five shot bolt action in 308 or 338 Lapus. My friends got the last AR-50 .50BMGs before the ban and registered them

ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 3:26 PM
I'm not really in to hunting,

Good, that's not a hunting gun. ;)

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 3:37 PM
'Didn't know that the AR-30 was still legal to purchase in CA...

What, in particular, made you think it was not legal?? ? ? ? ? ?

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 3:39 PM
I have one for sell at work. Box of 20 Federal 338LM is $48.

Where are you located? I will buy it.

dfletcher
09-17-2008, 3:48 PM
So, I've found one new and in stock in .338 LAPUA.

It's $1570.00 plus shipping.

I'm not really in to hunting, but maybe some day I might be. Am I crazy for buying one of these? I mean I kind of just want it to have a big caliber rifle. :D

Oh yes, I will be reloading it for sure.

Any thoughts/feedback before I pull the trigger? :chris:

You'd be crazy to buy the AR 30 as a hunting rifle regardless of caliber.

I have an AR 30 in 338 LM. It's very accurate, fun to shoot off the bench and virtually no recoil due to a great muzzle brake. Uses a Shilen trigger that can be adjusted down to a 1lb or so. The bolt handle is too damn short and poorly angled and you have to hold your head up a bit to sight through a scope. And by the way, $1,500.00 is a great price.

The 338 LM may be a great all around hunting round, overkill for most NA game in the same way the 338 RUM is overkill, but the AR 30 is not a hunting rifle. Heavy as hell, not the best ergonomics and long - very, very long. (I'm 6' 5" - if it's long for me I figure it's long for most) If you want a 338 LM in a hunting rifle get a CZ 550, they've just started chambering in this round.

338 LM brass is pretty pricey, about $45.00 for 20 - that's BRASS ONLY. If you want a big bore just for the sake of having one, get a 375 H & H. Brass is cheap compared to the 338 LM. If you really want a 338, the RUM is a more economical choice. But what the heck do I know, my favorite big bore is a 416 Rigby - $60.00 for 20 empty brass cases and scarce, expensive bullets for reloading.

But again, the AR you're looking at is a great price and very accurate, the brass lasts a long time and it's just great fun at the bench.

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 3:51 PM
I have one for sell at work. Box of 20 Federal 338LM is $48.

I don't think Federal Ammunition loads a 338 Lapua round. Are you sure it is 338 Lapua mag. I doubt it is, especially at 48 bucks a box.

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 3:59 PM
I don't think Federal Ammunition loads a 338 Lapua round. Are you sure it is 338 Lapua mag. I doubt it is, especially at 48 bucks a box.

Sorry for the thread jack. I just called where the box of ammo supposedly was: it was 338 Rem Ultra Mag, not 338 Lapua.

Bowser
09-17-2008, 4:01 PM
Woops then, didn't look at it closely. Saw it underneath the AR-30 and that it went to that.

ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 4:05 PM
it is kind of like putting an afterburner on a turtle.

I, for one, would like to see that. :D

ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 4:09 PM
I don't think Federal Ammunition loads a 338 Lapua round. Are you sure it is 338 Lapua mag. I doubt it is, especially at 48 bucks a box.

Could be just the cases... ;)

basing110
09-17-2008, 4:18 PM
is it just me or would people like to see a 338 lap semi auto based on the ar design?

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 4:20 PM
is it just me or would people like to see a 338 lap semi auto based on the ar design?

ETA: Even I make mistakes from time to time. So Cobb made a rifle with a long enough magazine to accept 338LM ;)

No one makes a receiver based on the AR platform with a magazine well that long. The AR-10 won't accommodate the 338 LM cartridge. Even a standard long action or magnum action on most bolt action rifles won't accommodate the round. It is too long.

ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 4:23 PM
No one makes a receiver based on the AR platform with a magazine well that long. The AR-10 won't accommodate the 338 LM cartridge. Even a standard long action or magnum action on most bolt action rifles won't accommodate the round. It is too long.

Good to know. ;)

Mukh2y-HHP8

Stick to correcting people on spelling.
Leave the technical advice to technical people.

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 4:25 PM
Good to know. ;)

Mukh2y-HHP8

Stick to correcting people on spelling.
Leave the technical advice to technical people.

d'oh. What is that? Does it use AR fire control components? Stock? pistol grip? etc? AR platform?

Is that a Cobb?

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ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 4:26 PM
d'oh. What is that? Does it use AR fire control components? Stock, etc? AR platform?

A 338 Lapua Semi Auto based on the AR platform.
Made by Cobb.
Cobb got bought by Cerebus recently as did Bushmaster, Remington and DPMS.

ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 4:31 PM
Is that a Cobb?

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Yes.

mike452
09-17-2008, 4:34 PM
A 338 Lapua Semi Auto based on the AR platform.
Made by Cobb.
Cobb got bought by Cerebus recently as did Bushmaster, Remington and DPMS.

http://i38.tinypic.com/5n3d3k.jpg

Bushmaster kept saying they will continue the Cobb line since Skip Patel (Cobb founder) is the new VP of R&D.

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 4:47 PM
Stick to correcting people on spelling.


Oooh....ouch. I think do OK on a few other areas of gun ownership as well. ;)

Anyway, back on topic. I love my TRG-42 338LM. You will be very happy with your AR-30 when you get it. It is a great and inexpensive way to get into a 338. You should reload to get the most out of it and more importantly (maybe) to avoid paying 4.00+ per round.

CSACANNONEER
09-17-2008, 4:54 PM
I hope your AR30 has a shorter throat than my AR50. Both are good starter platforms but, for some reason Armalite feels the need to put extemely long throats in their barrels. My AR50 has over 1/2" of jump even when I seat my bullets waaaaay out there.

ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 5:10 PM
Oooh....ouch. I think do OK on a few other areas of gun ownership as well. ;)

Indeed you do. ;)

USN CHIEF
09-17-2008, 5:10 PM
Oooh....ouch. I think do OK on a few other areas of gun ownership as well. ;)

Anyway, back on topic. I love my TRG-42 338LM. You will be very happy with your AR-30 when you get it. It is a great and inexpensive way to get into a 338. You should reload to get the most out of it and more importantly (maybe) to avoid paying 4.00+ per round.

WTF is that ohsmily? What is going on? :D:p

Your TRG-42 338LM is sweet bro. I was freaking impressed when Bill was able to blow up that man hole cover on the first shot with your rifle.

ar15barrels
09-17-2008, 5:11 PM
I hope your AR30 has a shorter throat than my AR50. Both are good starter platforms but, for some reason Armalite feels the need to put extemely long throats in their barrels. My AR50 has over 1/2" of jump even when I seat my bullets waaaaay out there.

Your 50's throat is lawyer approved.
Have the barrel set back.

CSACANNONEER
09-17-2008, 6:15 PM
Your 50's throat is lawyer approved.
Have the barrel set back.

They'd just give it a longer throat and charge me attorney's rates to do it. Right now, I can shoot it pretty well. I've taken a few 3rd places with it at matches averaging < 11 1/2" 5 shot groups and, I've even shot a couple of < 7" groups with it at 1000 yards. I figure when the barrel is close to shot out and I have extra cash, I'll talk to Tom Manners again about making a custom light weight bench stock for it and have it rebarrelled and bedded by Action Gunworks at the same time. One of the biggest problems I've found with AR50s and AR30s is that the factory stocks are not really suitable for benchrest shooting. Well, the factory 100lb trigger sucks too! But, installing a Jewell Trigger is the first thing anyone should do anyways so, that's not a big deal.

ohsmily
09-17-2008, 6:26 PM
WTF is that ohsmily? What is going on? :D:p

Your TRG-42 338LM is sweet bro. I was freaking impressed when Bill was able to blow up that man hole cover on the first shot with your rifle.

;) Long day....keeping people out of jail and all.......and dealing with unruly obnoxious clients (some); it takes it out of you.

I am glad you like the TRG-42. Good thing I had it dialed in for the occasion at Area 52. When and if we find ourselves shooting in the same place again, I will be sure to bring it and have you put some lead down the barrel.

C.G.
09-17-2008, 7:17 PM
is it just me or would people like to see a 338 lap semi auto based on the ar design?


If mine was semi auto instead of single bolt action it would put me in the poorhouse even with rolling my own ammo.

X-NewYawker
09-17-2008, 7:27 PM
If mine was semi auto instead of single bolt action it would put me in the poorhouse even with rolling my own ammo.

This might even be worth a new thread but how are ammo prices affecting your shooting habits?

I can tell you tomorrow I'm shooting that .338 DTA but with the 308 barrel on, entirely because of the scarcity and price of Lapua ammo. I opened my ammo safe the other day and was terrified at how low my favorite calibers have fallen.

tankerman
09-17-2008, 7:50 PM
Factory loaded ammunition is between $4-$7 PER ROUND. Plan on reloading or spending A LOT of money on ammunition. Even with bulk reloading, you will only get it loaded for as low as about 1.00 per round after amortizing the price of brass out over 5-10 loads. I reload for this round and it eats a ton of powder. Depending on what powder you are using, it east eats 70-100 grains of powder per round. With an 80 grain powder load, you are only getting about 100 rounds per pound of powder. (a pound is 20-30 bucks).
Fixed it for you.

dfletcher
09-17-2008, 8:44 PM
If I shot a semi 338 LM, every "check, change or pick up your target" time would include everyone on line on their knees looking that one brass case that went missing.

edittman1
09-17-2008, 9:22 PM
Anyone know if the brass the hornady rounds come in is any good? Think I can get 10 reloads out of em?

I saw a 20 pack for $75. I'd probably get 100 LAPUA brass too from Midway later.

C.G.
09-18-2008, 12:27 AM
Anyone know if the brass the hornady rounds come in is any good? Think I can get 10 reloads out of em?

I saw a 20 pack for $75. I'd probably get 100 LAPUA brass too from Midway later.

I have 40 Hornady casings (the rest are 200 Lapua) going on third loading. They seem softer than Lapua and couple people on Sniper's Hide had split necks with them after two-three reloads, but they could have been pushing the envelope.

Powder Valley usually has better prices on Lapua brass then Midway and on occasion there is a group buy on Sniper's Hide where I got my 200 for even less.

BTW, Midway has had 300 gr Hornady on sale for $60 on occasion.

edittman1
09-18-2008, 8:47 AM
Oh wow, their price is WAY better! THANKS!

edittman1
09-18-2008, 10:27 AM
So, I think I'm going to put the Super Sniper 20x42 on it for now.

I don't want to drop $1500+ on glass really. :/

dfletcher
09-18-2008, 11:10 AM
FWIW, I bought this mount: http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=429425

You can probably get it direct from Model 1 since Midway is doing their "we don't have these" routine - getting to be a habit with them. The mount is solid, matches the AR 30 finish exactly. Not too high either.

edittman1
09-18-2008, 1:37 PM
I believe it comes with a mount?

I also saw a GG&G mount that was similar, but it had the quick throw levers to remove it fast. Granted I don't know how well that holds zero, and I won't be removing it ever really anyway..

edittman1
09-19-2008, 12:41 AM
****, you know what I'm wondering..

Will the 338 LM shoot through the Gong we usually shoot at with our .223 and .308's? I keep reading about it shooting through manholes at 1000, etc..

Maybe the hardened plate steel will be OK?

CSACANNONEER
09-19-2008, 5:36 AM
****, you know what I'm wondering..

Will the 338 LM shoot through the Gong we usually shoot at with our .223 and .308's? I keep reading about it shooting through manholes at 1000, etc..

Maybe the hardened plate steel will be OK?

Even 50BMG ball ammo (all .50cal ball is steel cored) don't go through manholes at 1000 yards. Unless, the manhole is open and you're a good shot. They don't go through manhole covers either.

edittman1
09-19-2008, 9:32 AM
Ok, well I thought 338 had better ballistics than 50 cal. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

supersonic
09-23-2008, 6:59 AM
Well, the factory 100lb trigger sucks too! But, installing a Jewell Trigger is the first thing anyone should do anyways so, that's not a big deal.

That's exactly what I did to mine. Had to do a lot of "fitting" to the 1) right rear inside of stock (for safety clearance) 2)had to order new (shorter) pins from Jewell so I could remove the bolt release, AND 3) had to do quite a bit of BENDING w/ heat to get the safety to "snake" around the receiver/stock.......Wish I would've just gone with the 700BR model in the first place!!!!!!!:(

CSACANNONEER
09-23-2008, 3:34 PM
That's exactly what I did to mine. Had to do a lot of "fitting" to the 1) right rear inside of stock (for safety clearance) 2)had to order new (shorter) pins from Jewell so I could remove the bolt release, AND 3) had to do quite a bit of BENDING w/ heat to get the safety to "snake" around the receiver/stock.......Wish I would've just gone with the 700BR model in the first place!!!!!!!:(

Mine took about 5 minutes including taking a file LIGHTLY to my AR50 action. Did you get one with a safety? I use one without a safety on my gun! The original safety still works fine.

dfletcher
09-23-2008, 4:08 PM
The Shilen trigger on the AR is pretty well adjustable - basically a 700 with nuts, I just don't like adjusting those darn things. I got an old Rem 700 trigger, yanked off the bolt hold open and switched out the safety for the issued AR 30's (it does swing out alot more) and adjusted down to about 1 lb, no overtravel. Didn't need to fiddle with the stock.

Sniper3142
09-23-2008, 5:27 PM
is it just me or would people like to see a 338 lap semi auto based on the ar design?

It does already exist...

;)

RND 2000 Edge:

http://www.rndedge.com/2008/RND2000R-thumb.jpg

http://www.rndedge.com/images/rifles01/rifle2000a.htm

C.G.
09-23-2008, 7:23 PM
It does already exist...

;)

RND 2000 Edge:

http://www.rndedge.com/2008/RND2000R-thumb.jpg

http://www.rndedge.com/images/rifles01/rifle2000a.htm

Interesting, have never seen a monopod on the grip before.

basing110
09-23-2008, 7:28 PM
so ive been looking around on their site and the ordering part is not working.. where is the buy it now and ship to your ffl button? cannot even find a price.. maybe i should of bought this instead of building my 6.5 grendel