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Bushido-sig
09-09-2008, 3:53 PM
Get an AK-101 from Henderson Defense or their Saiga AK-103?

Is the $200 difference going toward pride of owning a Russian AK or is there something more to owning a converted Saiga?

Thanks.

vinny_land
09-09-2008, 4:25 PM
http://shop.hendersondefense.biz/product.sc?categoryId=4&productId=93
http://shop.hendersondefense.biz/product.sc?categoryId=4&productId=16
I dont know if the HDI AK101 is really made in Russia. I DO however know that an original Saiga is made in Russia but the HDI one is made in their company. If you buy a stock Saiga and convert it yourself...you can save more money although the HDI Saiga will save you the time and effort. IMO...an AK is an AK and you really cant go wrong with either choice.

THE 0NE
09-09-2008, 4:50 PM
ak 101

Guntech
09-09-2008, 4:52 PM
I like the AK-101 more, but Saiga's aren't bad.

SJgunguy24
09-09-2008, 5:03 PM
What kind of kits are the AK 101's made with?

Vic
09-09-2008, 5:34 PM
Yeah, I'm currently lookin for an ak too, and I'd like to know about this decision too.


Also the Ak101 listed on Henderson, is it 5.45 or 7.62? It comes with a 7.62 cleaning kit, but I assumed all 101's were 5.45?

Ford8N
09-09-2008, 5:38 PM
Dimples man, ya gotta have dimples!:p

drummerdude1188
09-09-2008, 6:04 PM
What kind of kits are the AK 101's made with?

Ask them yourself there a member here, But I think their made with G kits.


Yeah, I'm currently lookin for an ak too, and I'd like to know about this decision too.


Also the Ak101 listed on Henderson, is it 5.45 or 7.62? It comes with a 7.62 cleaning kit, but I assumed all 101's were 5.45?

Their AK101 is 7.62, their Saiga 103 is also 7.62. Factory Izhmash Ak101's(and 102's) are 5.56. If your lookin into gettin an AK HDI's are top notch, I still need to scrape up the money for my s12 conversion. Damn being a broke *** colledge student.:(

Full Clip
09-09-2008, 6:41 PM
For an AK plinker with a BB or Radd setup, the single-stack WASR is kind of a deal at $299. No way to accidentally slap a pre-ban double-stack full-cap into it... I wonder what their "certification" actually covers.

ghost
09-09-2008, 6:43 PM
buy both;)

M. Sage
09-09-2008, 6:45 PM
I'd go with the 101 with a MMG. You can put the AK-74 style brake on it after you get it.

I just don't like the weld-filled holes on the other receiver, but that's just me. :p

rg_1111@yahoo.com
09-09-2008, 6:48 PM
I like the AK 101 the best out of the two. I will take a Polish over them.

edward
09-09-2008, 11:37 PM
There is a slight difference between the Saiga AK conversion and all the others they have listed; the gas block.
A real AK-103 (the ones the military gets) have the 90 degree gas block that you can see in the picture along with a litany of internal upgrades. To that end the Saiga conversion is as close as you can get.

As for the AK 101, I don't consider it one, namely because of the caliber. As was pointed out a real 101 is 5.56 NATO, the AK 101 HDI has is 7.62 X 39 so its really like a very high quality AKM with black furniture. If they had it in the correct caliber (5.56) I would probably get it.
For me the small design difference in the Saiga 103 and the long list of upgrades HDI listed to make it a 103 was the reason I paid the $200 extra when I bought it on monday ;)

Basically you can distinguish all of the AK 100 series as follows:
AK 101 - 5.56 NATO - full stock side folder
AK 102 - 5.56 NATO - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
AK 103 - 7.62 X 39 - full stock side folder
AK 104 - 7.62 X 39 - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
AK 105 - 5.45 x39 - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
(There is no AK 106)

Hope this helps.

scubamark13
09-10-2008, 8:38 AM
I think I would buy the 101 but they both look cool.

drummerdude1188
09-10-2008, 8:58 AM
Basically you can distinguish all of the AK 100 series as follows:
AK 101 - 5.56 NATO - full stock side folder
AK 102 - 5.56 NATO - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
AK 103 - 7.62 X 39 - full stock side folder
AK 104 - 7.62 X 39 - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
AK 105 - 5.45 x39 - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
(There is no AK 106)



AK 102/104/105 have the front sight/gas block combo and the short barrel and have the same polymer side folding stock as the others, all century series AK's have the same stock, only the front end is different. Hope this clarifies it

socalr6
09-10-2008, 9:10 AM
Is there a way to upgrade the rear sights and move them all they way back like the Israeli version to make the AK more accurate with the irons?

drummerdude1188
09-10-2008, 9:25 AM
Is there a way to upgrade the rear sights and move them all they way back like the Israeli version to make the AK more accurate with the irons?

Ya there is a way to do it like the galil, it involves modifying the latch that keeps the recoil spring in place on the rear trunnion so the top cover dosnt move around, and some other stuff that I cant remember, look around on the akforum.net, some one did it over there.

Nefarious
09-10-2008, 9:56 AM
Ive stayed away from all the AK/Saiga threads up untill now, simply because I had no interest in picking one up right then. Now that I want to pick one up.. ive been looking at all my options as well.

Those beater WASR's are out of the question.. even for a cheap foot in the door.

But to be quite honest with you guys.. I honestly dont see a difference between the AK-101 or the saiga AK-103 from the links vinny posted :confused:. Both black polymer models look exactly the same to me.

shooterdave
09-10-2008, 10:22 AM
to know the differences you have to be really into it :)

drummerdude1188
09-10-2008, 12:23 PM
to know the differences you have to be really into it :)

Not even, you just haveto look for more than a few seconds and youll see the 103 has a 74 style break an gas block, the 103 is a loose ak103 clone and the 101 is a AKM with polymer on it, swap out it for some eastern block wood and youve got a standard AKM style rifle.

edward
09-10-2008, 1:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by edward

Basically you can distinguish all of the AK 100 series as follows:
AK 101 - 5.56 NATO - full stock side folder
AK 102 - 5.56 NATO - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
AK 103 - 7.62 X 39 - full stock side folder
AK 104 - 7.62 X 39 - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
AK 105 - 5.45 x39 - triangle side folder & shorter barrel
(There is no AK 106)


AK 102/104/105 have the front sight/gas block combo and the short barrel and have the same polymer side folding stock as the others, all century series AK's have the same stock, only the front end is different. Hope this clarifies it

I was not aware of that, thanks for correcting.

Dirtbiker
09-10-2008, 1:34 PM
What would the AK folks do???

Buy both and bury one in the backyard...

grammaton76
09-10-2008, 3:13 PM
What would the AK folks do???

Buy both and bury one in the backyard...

Negative, we'd build more AK's ourselves from kits we stockpiled 2 years ago... :)

domokun
09-10-2008, 10:20 PM
AK101, built off a NDS-3 receiver. I own one.

FEDUPWBS
09-10-2008, 10:24 PM
I would order a custom built AK from me;)

redneckshootist
09-10-2008, 10:26 PM
I would order a custom built AK from me;)

yeah FEDs AKs are 100 times better.;)

drummerdude1188
09-10-2008, 10:40 PM
yeah FEDs AKs are 100 times better.;)

:dupe:

tombinghamthegreat
09-10-2008, 10:59 PM
An ak is an ak. With that being said buy both if you got the funds. If you don't saiga rifles are a good way to go.

drummerdude1188
09-11-2008, 11:12 AM
An ak is an ak.

uhhhhhh not really, thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard, thats like saying an AR is an AR and they are all the same, which some people will probably say is blasphemy. A century wasr 10 is in no way the same as say Arsenal sa m7 or an Inrange or Overland build. AK's are in no way shape or form "all the same".

spdrcr
09-11-2008, 11:38 AM
yeah FEDs AKs are 100 times better.;)

Sounds good to me since I decided to go that route. I can't wait to get my hands on my FEDUP AK.

Bushido-sig
09-11-2008, 12:27 PM
So how do I get my hands on a FEDUPWBS AK?

spdrcr
09-11-2008, 12:34 PM
So how do I get my hands on a FEDUPWBS AK?

Try sending him a PM. That's how I got mine.

360PA
09-11-2008, 1:20 PM
A buddy of mine says the Saigas are top notch. I think the real question though, is how much ammo you will want on hand. 7.62X39 is relatively inexpensive, and readily available.

Bushido-sig
09-11-2008, 1:22 PM
Aren't both AKs that Henderson Defense is offering, AK101 and the converted Saiga, 7.62?

stphnman20
09-11-2008, 1:27 PM
What is a FEDUPWBS?

Bushido-sig
09-11-2008, 1:28 PM
A person's handle name on this forum. He custom makes AKs.

aplinker
09-11-2008, 1:44 PM
What is a FEDUPWBS?

:rofl2: