View Full Version : Obama Calls Sarah Palin "A PIG" in speech
RomanDad
09-09-2008, 03:02 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html?showall
Lateralus
09-09-2008, 03:05 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html?showall
Clearly some people dont understand an metaphor, especially in politics.
On the other hand, I am sure the word of the year is going to be "change". God, Im going to have to stop using it. C****e. Yeah, thats better....
mecam
09-09-2008, 03:15 PM
I think BHO is a little bitter that McCain/Palin stole his "Change" agenda and it's working more effectively with the Red. :D
Palin must have said "uppity".:rofl:
M. Sage
09-09-2008, 03:41 PM
Clearly some people dont understand an metaphor, especially in politics.
Yeah, Obama obviously doesn't. It'd be unthinkable to call the Obama campaign "uppity" or use a few otherwise innocent words I can think of, so IMO this runs the same way.
So much for foreign relations, huh? I can see him making a towel joke before talking to a middle-eastern leader or something. Is he completely clueless!?
Just how crucified would McCain be if he said "never send a boy to do a man's job?"
"Boy" in this case would be in reference to O's age and inexperience but it would be hammered with cries of racism.
Gotta watch your words.
RomanDad
09-09-2008, 03:45 PM
The next line was "You can wrap a fish up in paper.. 8 years later it will still stink."
That sounds like a joke I heard in a high school locker-room....
If this "metaphor" wasn't aimed at Palin than hes an idiot, and if it was and he thought he wouldnt get called on it, hes an ARROGANT IDIOT.
M. Sage
09-09-2008, 03:46 PM
The next line was "You can wrap a fish up in paper.. 8 years later it will still stink."
That sounds like a joke I heard in a high school locker-room....
If this "metaphor" wasn't aimed at Palin than hes an idiot, and if it was and he thought he wouldnt get called on it, hes an ARROGANT IDIOT.
Yeah, I caught that one, too. But I'm sure he'll be a great diplomat... :rolleyes:
RomanDad
09-09-2008, 03:48 PM
Yeah, I caught that one, too. But I'm sure he'll be a great diplomat... :rolleyes:
Im sorry... Ive heard a lot of barbs in public discourse and dirty campaigns.... But that fish joke is the GROSSEST thing ever....
M. Sage
09-09-2008, 03:52 PM
Most childish one, too, IMO. It takes the cake.
Model X
09-09-2008, 04:03 PM
Well McCain i do believe made a similar reference to Clinton last year didnt he?
dfletcher
09-09-2008, 04:05 PM
The next line was "You can wrap a fish up in paper.. 8 years later it will still stink."
That sounds like a joke I heard in a high school locker-room....
If this "metaphor" wasn't aimed at Palin than hes an idiot, and if it was and he thought he wouldnt get called on it, hes an ARROGANT IDIOT.
"Like a dead mackerel in the moonlight, he stinks and shines at the same time". Good enough for Mr. Hamilton, good enough for Mr Obama.
DParker
09-09-2008, 04:06 PM
The video.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg)
and now they are questioning McCain's honor. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13314.html)
They are on the ropes....
Greg-Dawg®
09-09-2008, 04:14 PM
Oh he's going down!
RomanDad
09-09-2008, 04:21 PM
Well McCain i do believe made a similar reference to Clinton last year didnt he?
No... It is alleged that in 1992 he called HIS WIFE a **** when she made fun of his thinning hairline.... The context of the exchange has been questioned but it happened nearly twenty years ago....
truthseeker
09-09-2008, 06:09 PM
After the election Obama will become the NEW Jessie Jackson.
5hundo
09-09-2008, 07:06 PM
Yeah...
He should have just called her a "thief", then he would have been correct! :rolleyes:
Well McCain i do believe made a similar reference to Clinton last year didnt he?
He gave Hillary the finger in a speech:
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This man is no President material.
Well McCain i do believe made a similar reference to Clinton last year didnt he?
McCain used the same saying about HillaryCare, not hillary herself I believe.
Waldog
09-09-2008, 10:02 PM
Why don't we suggest he change his name to: Senator BARF Obama???
CaliforniaLiberal
09-09-2008, 10:45 PM
Clearly the reference to rotting fish is a terrible insult to a very clean and well groomed woman. I'd say the lipstick is on his pig this time!
CL
5hundo
09-09-2008, 10:46 PM
Actually, McCain did make a made a similar comment about Hilary last year:
"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/mccain_rolls_out_health_plan_a.html
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...and as a point of clarification, neither one of those comments were directed at the women. In both situations, it was a metaphor to describe a situation, NOT the person...
Doheny
09-09-2008, 11:00 PM
Im sorry... Ive heard a lot of barbs in public discourse and dirty campaigns.... But that fish joke is the GROSSEST thing ever....
If you're insinuating he used/meant it in the way I think you are, I think you're way off base.
nicki
09-10-2008, 03:34 AM
Alot of women are not happy with Obama, especially after the Democratic primary and the way they percieved Obama treated Hillary.
Remember, that both Hillary and Obama avoided outing each other on where they stood on the issues.
Remember how both to them were "Pro Gun" when campaigning in rural areas.
There were many brusied egos among Hillary supporters and Obama supporters.
Many percieved that Hillary should have been the VP rather than Biden. Obama has angered alot of women acorss the country.
Many women supported Hillary because she was a woman, and some of those women are now rallying around Palin because she is a woman.
Obama was percieved as looking down on Hillary and if that perception carries over to Sarah, Obama is toast.
Let Obama pick on Sarah, it will backfire on him.
He already has the people who cling to religion and guns mad at him.
If women across the country view him as a "Jerk", the campaign is over.
Nicki
-hanko
09-10-2008, 07:56 AM
...and as a point of clarification, neither one of those comments were directed at the women. In both situations, it was a metaphor to describe a situation, NOT the person...
I agree.
Otoh, what would have been the fallout if McCain had used something about Obama-man "calling a spade a spade". Or if he said his opponent was as confused "as a coon in the headlights". Both phrases have been in use in context for a lot longer than Palin or Obama have been alive. The fallout would have been massive.
I honestly think Obama was not using the pig reference in re Palin, but he definitely should have thought before he opened his mouth. Same with the fish simile.
Lately, Obama seems to only open his mouth to change feet.;)
I think he was a class act last week when in defending Palin's daughter he remarked that his mother bore him when she was only 18. Though there's no way I'd give him my vote;)
-hanko
I honestly think Obama was not using the pig reference in re Palin, but he definitely should have thought before he opened his mouth. Same with the fish simile.
The lipstick comment was aimed at Palin, and the fish comment was aimed at the GW presidency - ie "8 years".
Attacking Palin directly while trying to associate GW with McCain seems to be his current strategy.
bwiese
09-10-2008, 08:45 AM
I am certainly no Obamicide supporter, but when the quote about 'lipstick on a pig' was taken in full context of that segment of dicussion, he was clearl not describing Palin herself, but the choice of Palin, her attitude & her positions in relation to McCain, Republicans and policies.
The R team should really learn what (and what not) to get 'all wet' about and when a given topic has lived out its 15 min of fame.
RomanDad
09-10-2008, 08:58 AM
I am certainly no Obamicide supporter, but when the quote about 'lipstick on a pig' was taken in full context of that segment of dicussion, he was clearl not describing Palin herself, but the choice of Palin, her attitude & her positions in relation to McCain, Republicans and policies.
The R team should really learn what (and what not) to get 'all wet' about and when a given topic has lived out its 15 min of fame.
I disagree..... McCain took the mantle of the candidate for change when he picked Palin. He SAID SO in his acceptance speech.... She is the OFFER of PROOF that it wont be "business as usual" if he is elected....
PALIN is PART OF THE CHANGE MCCAIN offers, and the ONLY Item Obama doesnt mention in his litany...
LISTEN to the speech.... HE PAUSES... In a moment of COMIC TIMING between the premise of the joke and the punchline.... You do that when the joke is so obvious you dont have to give the punchline..... The ONLY reason to set that up like that, and give that pause was to give the audience the chance to go, "OHHHH... I GET IT!!! HES CALLING HER A PIG!!!!" and then crack up laughing (just as they did).
Obama is saying "Palin isnt enough to make up for the other policies" and he did so by using her lipstick joke to call her a PIG.
Doheny
09-10-2008, 09:10 AM
Obama is saying "Palin isnt enough to make up for the other policies" and he did so by using her lipstick joke to call her a PIG.
To think that he'd risk the election by calling her a pig in public is just plain nutty.
If Palin hadn't done the Pitbull/lipstick joke the week before, I don't believe Obama would have made his pig/lipstick joke. Many people believe they are tied together and are rightfully slamming Obama.
If Obama made the joke, and if Palin never made her joke, no one would care.
Obama Unplugged is good entertainment!
RomanDad
09-10-2008, 09:32 AM
To think that he'd risk the election by calling her a pig in public is just plain nutty.
I think he thinks he can get away with it.... Hes in a room full of people where he is the cool kid and everything he does is loved.... He doesnt yet get that just because the speech isnt carried LIVE on the networks, doesnt mean if he makes a fool of himself, it wont get aired later.... He thinks he can get a cheap jab in and slowly chip away at this woman who has TOTALLY SCREWED UP HIS PLANS....
Hes not ready for prime time.
milou
09-10-2008, 09:43 AM
Can't wait for him to say something about his opponents campaign like...
"I don't trust anything that bleeds for seven days and doesn't die"
popngen
09-10-2008, 09:57 AM
wait.. wait... who said what now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPYkNQlJMM
... but let's all look at it in context now. Both candidates did a poor job of using a gender biased cliche to describe something. It just so happens we have females referenced in those conversations.
-hanko
09-10-2008, 10:33 AM
Drudge reported early today that Obama tested the pig remark to practice "negotiating" with Al Queda and Abu din Ajhan. Given the reaction yesterday, he's replanning his strategy.;).
The man is good with a teleprompter, almost as good as Bill and Hillary. He chokes big-time without a script.
-hanko
journeyman
09-10-2008, 10:48 AM
thats funny when you guys say something positive about Obama then follow immediately with im not voting for Obama...as if you have to reinforce the comment with that to make it acceptable here on calguns. Make your comments and live with it. nevermind those here that dont understand..just personalities behind a computer!
-hanko
09-10-2008, 11:32 AM
I think he thinks he can get away with it.... Hes in a room full of people where he is the cool kid and everything he does is loved.... He doesnt yet get that just because the speech isnt carried LIVE on the networks, doesnt mean if he makes a fool of himself, it wont get aired later.... He thinks he can get a cheap jab in and slowly chip away at this woman who has TOTALLY SCREWED UP HIS PLANS....
Hes not ready for prime time.
Definitely not ready.
He has trouble sometimes connecting his brain with his mouth. Sarah Palin has definitely gotten into his head. He's spending more effort in worrying about her than McCain, which is good for McCain & Pallin. I'm not sure he can recover.
-hanko
popngen
09-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Drudge reported early today that Obama tested the pig remark to practice "negotiating" with Al Queda and Abu din Ajhan. Given the reaction yesterday, he's replanning his strategy.;).
The man is good with a teleprompter, almost as good as Bill and Hillary. He chokes big-time without a script.
-hanko
choke? unscripted? teleprompter?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+oreilly+interview&search_type=&aq=0&oq=obama+oreilly
brando
09-10-2008, 11:50 AM
It's so lame that "truth" seems to suffer more than any other virtue in politics. People are eating this complete fallacy up because they are so controlled by their emotions and can't use some simple logic and objectivity.
Our country is doomed.
journeyman
09-10-2008, 11:53 AM
bump
Hans Gruber
09-10-2008, 01:15 PM
It's so lame that "truth" seems to suffer more than any other virtue in politics. People are eating this complete fallacy up because they are so controlled by their emotions and can't use some simple logic and objectivity.
Our country is doomed.
Agree 100%
The first casualty in politics is intellectual honesty.
~KJ
emc002
09-10-2008, 01:16 PM
I'm no Obama supporter, but I don't believe that was his intent. Not that we'd get the same benefit of the doubt from the lefties...
RomanDad
09-10-2008, 02:58 PM
You're right... How could we assume a democrat would stoop to comparing her to a pig??? After all, Representative Steve Cohen (d Tenn). only compared her to Pontius Pilate on the House Floor. But calling her a "PIG" at a campaign stop would be crossing the line? You're right... They couldn't be that insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp_2Cw4RH1c&eurl=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74896
tcrpe
09-10-2008, 03:04 PM
Palin must have said "uppity".:rofl:
"Uppity"
There I said it.
God, I feel like such a racist now . . . .
tcrpe
09-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Just how crucified would McCain be if he said "never send a boy to do a man's job?"
"Boy" in this case would be in reference to O's age and inexperience but it would be hammered with cries of racism.
Gotta watch your words.
Jimmy Carter referred to B. Hussein Obama as a "black boy".
Peragro
09-10-2008, 03:09 PM
You're right... How could we assume a democrat would stoop to comparing her to a pig??? After all, Representative Steve Cohen (d Tenn). only compared her to Pontius Pilate on the House Floor. But calling her a "PIG" at a campaign stop would be crossing the line? You're right... They couldn't be that insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp_2Cw4RH1c&eurl=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74896
It would be as offensive as some other leading Democrat official saying something like "Palin's only achievement is not having an abortion..." or something of the like. They wouldn't do that would they?
brando
09-10-2008, 03:09 PM
I laugh out loud every time I see people emphasize "Hussein" when talking about Obama. Too bad appeals to emotion work so well with those who can't use their brains.
emc002
09-10-2008, 03:12 PM
You're right... How could we assume a democrat would stoop to comparing her to a pig??? After all, Representative Steve Cohen (d Tenn). only compared her to Pontius Pilate on the House Floor. But calling her a "PIG" at a campaign stop would be crossing the line? You're right... They couldn't be that insane.
We aren't talking about "a democrat" we're talking about a specific comment in context. Your ad hominem attack about Steve Cohen is irrelevant to the specific comment by BHO.
I'm not so blinded by ideology and hatred that I've lost sight of the truth, no matter how much I dislike BHO. Why am I defending him? Because hypocrisy on either side of the aisle pisses me off.
I'm no Obama supporter, but I don't believe that was his intent. Not that we'd get the same benefit of the doubt from the lefties...
Hey, I thought Barack was supposed to be a VERY intelligent man? If he's so smart, how come he keeps walking into minefields? :kest:
emc002
09-10-2008, 03:26 PM
Hey, I thought Barack was supposed to be a VERY intelligent man? If he's so smart, how come he keeps walking into minefields? :kest:
Smart and wise are NOT the same thing! ;)
RomanDad
09-10-2008, 03:35 PM
We aren't talkinga bout "a democrat" we're talking about a specific comment in context. Your ad hominem attack about Steve Cohen is irrelevant to the specific comment by BHO.
I'm not so blinded by ideology and hatred that I've lost sight of the truth, no matter how much I dislike BHO. Why am I defending him? Because hypocrisy on either side of the aisle pisses me off.
How is it irrelevant? Obama's party has come UNGLUED.... They've gone absolutely NUTS.... I would say its WORSE to compare her to Pontious Pilate than to call her a pig in a double entendre. PILATE KILLED JESUS WHO IS CONSIDERED GOD by a big portion of the world (lets not even consider the NUTTINESS of comparing Obama to Jesus- I dont even know where to put that one.)
There is no hypocrisy here... You need to look up the word. Hypocrisy is holding others to a higher standard than one holds themselves.... If McCain made a true RACIST statement regarding OBAMA, I would be JUST AS ASHAMED....
I TRULY BELIEVE Obama intended to make this joke... Each time I hear it, I am more convinced... The "FISH" line??? "SARAH BARACUDA"???? Nobody gets the CONNECTION???
The folks over at Democratic Underground have a thread acknowledging the comment was intentional and giving him high fives for it! They think its funny as all get out.
He thought he was being FUNNY. He was playing to his crazy base (many of whom are REALLY MEAN SPIRITED PEOPLE)... I think he MEANT to say it, and DIDN'T THINK he would be called on it.... I think (and there are now reports coming out from within the campaign to confirm this) he is WIGGING THE HELL OUT and its harming his judgment.
emc002
09-10-2008, 03:45 PM
How is it irrelevant? Obama's party has come UNGLUED.... You answered your own question, you yourself reference "Obama's party" as some sort of support for your interpretation of Obama's remarks They've gone absolutely NUTS.... I would say its WORSE to compare her to Pontious Pilate than to call her a pig in a double entendre. PILATE KILLED JESUS WHO IS CONSIDERED GOD by a big portion of the world I agree, but that is an ad hominem attack and is NOT RELEVANT to BHO's comments. E.g. You and I are both CCW holders and I live on hundreds of acres. Since your also a CCW, you must also live on hundreds of acres? Flawed logic at best.
I TRULY BELIEVE Obama intended to make this joke... Each time I hear it, I am more convinced... The "FISH" line??? "SARAH BARACUDA"???? Nobody gets the CONNECTION??? Now that's at least using some logic in your argument, but I think it's still a stretch, though less so than the pig comment.
The folks over at Democratic Underground have a thread acknowledging the comment was intentional and giving him high fives for it! They think its funny as all get out. Right, because an overweight, acned blogger living in his mom's basement is "in" on all of BHO's campaign secrets :rolleyes:
He thought he was being FUNNY. He was playing to his crazy base (many of whom are REALLY MEAN SPIRITED PEOPLE Nice generalization. I guess you and I are redneck hillbillys clinging to our guns and God out of bitterness, right? :rolleyes: )
Let's test my theory then, shall we? What is your take on the governor of New York's interpretation of "community organizer"?
Governor Implies Palin's Repeated Use Of 'Community Organizer' Is Another Way Of Saying 'Black'
Don Dahler ALBANY (CBS) ― At the Crain's Business Forum this morning, Paterson drew attention to a phrase used numerous times by speakers at the Republican National Convention to describe Barack Obama's leadership experience: community organizer.
"I think the Republican Party is too smart to call Barack Obama 'black' in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something about his life, which I noticed they did at the Republican Convention – a 'community organizer.' They kept saying it, they kept laughing," he said.
Paterson referred to McCain's running mate Sarah Palin who compared her work experience to Obama's.
"So I suppose a small town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except with real responsibilities," she said at the convention.
Paterson sees the repeated use of the words "community organizer" as Republican code for "black".
"I think where there are overtones is when there are uses of language that are designed to inhibit other people's progress with a subtle reference to their race," he said.
Bongos
09-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Obama got a wild mouth, he speaks before he thinks, if he shut up he might have a chance.... overall still an idiot for the things that he is voicing... funny thing is, Palin is on the VP ticket, shouldn't he be concentrating on McCain? Why fight with the pitbull if it's the master you are competing against. Let your number two take care of Palin... oh wait, he's an idiot too :eek:
WhoDat
09-10-2008, 03:55 PM
This is all BS - Not just from the Right, but from everywhere.
All of this 24 hour up to the minute news stuff is just spewing out so much noise, I'll be happy once this election is over. The fact of the matter is that there are too many news anchors having to earn their keep, bloggers, online news sites, etc. Rumors and B.S. are flying everywhere and none of these "journalists" are taking the time to vet any of it - they're all too interested in scooping each other and having something interesting to say.
So, everyone jumps on the story of the moment, and nobody takes the time to do real reporting. One BS post on the Internet can swarm a feeding frenzy of idiot talking heads. This just isn't from the right either, it's everywhere.
There are lots f examples of B.S. fiction spread about Sarah Palin from the Left too, that get parroted my the media, for example. It's all just he said, she said, B.S. There's so much noise and clutter being thrown around, that it's impossible to spend time intelligently focusing on the issues. And this, IMOHO, is why we're all getting screwed.
A decade or two ago, journalists actually investigated stories and spent time articulating known facts. Today, they try as fast as they can to be the first to repeat B.S. Maybe we've just reached the point of Information overload.
Today's narrative is how Obama is on the run. Tomorrow or the next day, once the latest poll numbers come out, the commentary will be that Mccain will be on the ropes and his bounce is over. Everyone is just trying to pump the scandal or exciting news of the moment. And nobody, viewers or journalists, is taking the time to really analyze the issues - it's all about the caricature & sound byte.
brando
09-10-2008, 03:59 PM
Which is EXACTLY why people need to turn their BS filters on and stop falling for the appeals to emotion. Use your friggin' brain: if an item sounds too much like preaching to the choir, guess what? It's probably BS. If a news item seems designed for emotional reaction, it's probably misleading.
Truth is far more important than any party.
RomanDad
09-10-2008, 04:22 PM
Let's test my theory then, shall we? What is your take on the governor of New York's interpretation of "community organizer"?
Governor Implies Palin's Repeated Use Of 'Community Organizer' Is Another Way Of Saying 'Black'
Don Dahler ALBANY (CBS) ― At the Crain's Business Forum this morning, Paterson drew attention to a phrase used numerous times by speakers at the Republican National Convention to describe Barack Obama's leadership experience: community organizer.
"I think the Republican Party is too smart to call Barack Obama 'black' in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something about his life, which I noticed they did at the Republican Convention – a 'community organizer.' They kept saying it, they kept laughing," he said.
Paterson referred to McCain's running mate Sarah Palin who compared her work experience to Obama's.
"So I suppose a small town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except with real responsibilities," she said at the convention.
Paterson sees the repeated use of the words "community organizer" as Republican code for "black".
"I think where there are overtones is when there are uses of language that are designed to inhibit other people's progress with a subtle reference to their race," he said.
I think its nuts....
1. I don't even know what a "community organizer" is.
2. As such, when I hear it used by McCain or Palin, what I hear it as code for (and I think the only fair interpretation) is, "NOT a job that prepares or qualifies one for being President."
Its certainly directed AT Obama... I don't pretend that shes just talking about hypothetical community organizers, or innocently using a common Idiom as the Obama campaign would have us believe with regard to the PIG comment...
I thought the shot she took was fair because she was immediately criticized for being "just a Mayor" (no mention of her being a Governor).... So I suspect not knowing more about the subject, her analogy is correct... "A mayor is like a community organizer with responsibilities." The Obama campaign fired that first shot, and SHE SHOT BACK and handed them their ***.... Because it was a "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" situation.....
But thats THE ONLY context its been used. Not as Code word for BLACK (is he saying one has to black to be a "community organizer?" I cant imagine thats true...)
So where is the NEXUS between community organizer and race? Do you have to be OVERLY sensitive to see it? Do you have to be ACTIVELY LOOKING for it??? The NEXUS between LIPSTICK and FISH to the "Pitbull with lipstick Sarah-Barracuda" combined with the Pejorative "PIG" (A gross or disgusting woman) seems overly obvious to me.
Better yet, what is the Pejorative definition of "Community Organizer", if not "Unqualified"? I've never heard of a car load of skinheads screaming "Community organizers!!!" at a group of black kids walking down the street... I have heard a misogonyst call a woman a pig.
But since the pejorative seems to be about "QUALIFICATIONs TO LEAD", I think thats a FAIR CRITICISM!!! I haven't flipped out about the LEGITIMATE questions about Palin's EXPERIENCE... I think she has answered those challenges well, and in hindsight, the democrats would have done better to IGNORE HER, than challenge her and make her the Star she has become. But those questions certainly weren't OFF THE TABLE....
Calling your opponent a PIG should be!
Maybe Im wrong... Maybe he DIDNT mean to insult her... I cant get into his head. Nor can you... But if I were on a jury and had to vote whether he meant to or not, I would say he did... You disagree... Thats fair. Were both entitled to our opinion looking at the same facts. That doesn't make one of us a HYPOCRITE...
tcrpe
09-10-2008, 04:35 PM
If you're insinuating he used/meant it in the way I think you are, I think you're way off base.
There sure were a lot of people sniggering in the audience . . . I wonder how they interpreted it.
katphood
09-10-2008, 05:07 PM
I've said it before. These folks are politicians. A mountain out of every molehill and a tempest in every teacup. Mind games, word games....:beatdeadhorse5: :banghead:
We must be careful lest we all step in it. Keep in mind that all the nonsense like this happens in every campaign and is not aimed at those of us that can sift through the issues and make an informed decision. It's all aimed at those that are too stupid to make in informed choice and will, they hope, fall for one-liners, impressions, looks, niceness, etc.
BTW, Obama is appearing on Letterman tonight. He'll be saying this:
"Look this is ... sort of silly season in politics -- not that there's a non-silly season in politics," Obama says. "But it gets sillier, and it's a common expression, at least in Illinois, I don't know about New York City, I don't know where you guys put lipstick on here."
To audience laughter, Obama says, "In Illinois, the expression connotes the idea that if you have a bad idea -- in this case, I was talking about John McCain's economic plans -- that just calling them change, calling it something different doesn't make it better. Hence, lipstick on a pig is still a pig."
It's funny how republicans would rather talk about lipstick
instead of actual issues
katphood
09-10-2008, 06:42 PM
It's funny how republicans would rather talk about lipstick
instead of actual issues
Right, and the McCain campaign did an excellent job with the distract and confuse gambit. Bought him two weeks, at least.
RomanDad
09-10-2008, 06:50 PM
It's funny how republicans would rather talk about lipstick
instead of actual issues
Thats because the American People understand there is only a few real issues the President has ANY say in.... And by now we know the candidate's (and their party's) stance on them. If you don't know by now, you've been hiding under a rock for the last three weeks.
If you think HIGHER taxes are good for the Economy- Vote Obama
If you think Lower taxes are good for the Economy- Vote McCain
If you think Drilling for more U.S. oil is good- Vote McCain
If you think drilling for U.S. oil is BAD- vote for Obama
If you think LIBERAL supreme Court Justices like Ginsberg are good- Vote Obama
If you think Conservative Supreme Court justices like Scalia are good- Vote McCain
If you think we should leave Iraq when Iraq is ready to stand on its own two feet,- vote McCain
If you think we should leave Iraq in 16 months regardless of what happens with Iraq or Iran -vote Obama.
If you think Iran is a "small country" that doesnt matter to the security of the U.S. or its allies- vote Obama
If you think the thought of a Nuclear Iran is unacceptable- Vote McCain.
And so on and so forth...
We also understand that CONGRESS has a much bigger say in most of these "issues" than the President does.... Were not electing a LEGISLATOR IN CHIEF. So in the end, its all much ado about nothing.
The MAJOR ISSUE people decide during THIS part of the campaign is THE CHARACTER AND LEADERSHIP ISSUE.... Which guy is going to have the Courage to stand up to our enemies and encourage cooperation from our allies, and have the character to lead this country in the direction they promise, to be TRUSTED with the reigns of power....
And stuff like THIS goes directly to that issue.
Python2
09-10-2008, 07:00 PM
.....The MAJOR ISSUE people decide during THIS part of the campaign is THE CHARACTER AND LEADERSHIP ISSUE.... Which guy is going to have the Courage to stand up to our enemies and encourage cooperation from our allies, and have the character to lead this country in the direction they promise, to be TRUSTED with the reigns of power....
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....and that my fellow citizen is soooooo easy to decide between a community organizer and a person who've been thru hell in the hands of the enemy and experience with our allies.
Doheny
09-10-2008, 07:16 PM
There sure were a lot of people sniggering in the audience . . . I wonder how they interpreted it.
Wrongly...childishly.
Doheny
09-10-2008, 07:19 PM
I laugh out loud every time I see people emphasize "Hussein" when talking about Obama. Too bad appeals to emotion work so well with those who can't use their brains.
+1.....
Shotgun Man
09-10-2008, 07:24 PM
Okay, I haven't read all the posts here, but I've heard the original remarks and commentary in the media.
Personally, I'm all for labeling your adversary's cause as "putting lipstick on a pig." The only possible offense is that it may be cliche.
Ain't nothing wrong with it. If the democrats were decrying the comment, Rush Limbaugh would be denouncing them as femi-nazis.
Just interpreting the facts. I abhor both candidates.
ETA: As I recall, this is the type of post that mods and hoffmang and/or bweise were saying should be reserved for the "off topic" forum, lest important (strictly on-topic) Second Amendment information get lost in a sea of presidential politics threads. But here I am adding to the noise, so who am I to cry fault?
The MAJOR ISSUE people decide during THIS part of the campaign is THE CHARACTER AND LEADERSHIP ISSUE.... Which guy is going to have the Courage to stand up to our enemies
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pdq_wizzard
09-10-2008, 09:15 PM
LISTEN to the speech.... HE PAUSES... In a moment of COMIC TIMING between the premise of the joke and the punchline.... You do that when the joke is so obvious you dont have to give the punchline..... The ONLY reason to set that up like that, and give that pause was to give the audience the chance to go, "OHHHH... I GET IT!!! HES CALLING HER A PIG!!!!" and then crack up laughing (just as they did).
Obama is saying "Palin isnt enough to make up for the other policies" and he did so by using her lipstick joke to call her a PIG.
I agree, it looked to me as though he was doing the Punchline pause
Waldog
09-10-2008, 10:19 PM
Since Obama claims he was making a metaphor, joke, yarn (You pick the word!!) How do you suppose the left wing media, Rev. Jackson, Charlie Rangel an just about EVERYONE in the Democrat party would respond if Sarah Palin had said something like this: " Senator Obama is an honest, straight talking man. He simply calls a spade, a spade!!"
That's also metaphor, joke, yarn (You pick the word!!)
There would be lawsuits and calls for public flogging!!!
Th
FastFinger
09-10-2008, 10:39 PM
Listening to the incident, it was pretty clear that at least the crowd knew where it was going, since they started laughing pretty good before the punch line was even delivered. It's not as if the saying is really that funny in usual use. So it is possible that BO didn't know the implication, but if that's the case he's clearly not that good at reading people, not the kind of guy you want dealing with Putin and the like.
It's also clear that McCain is making too large a deal out of this, but then again this is the game of politics. For better or worse it is a take no prisoners clash. Furthermore the best part is that McCains camp just had to lob a simple complaint, but then BO intercepts, runs around in circles, and rushes back into his own end zone.
And let's get real here... the left leaners have been crying "Foul" for years over smaller slights then these. Usually with someone resigning and having a career ruined (remember the "niggardly" comment?) Now that the blow back is hitting them they're finally getting a taste of politically correct crap. Not too tasty is it?
I must be honest - it's a long way to November, but for right now I'm LOVING watching the smug annoited one spinning in the wind and self destructing.
CABilly
09-11-2008, 04:36 AM
McCain's trying to turn this into this election's Macacca(sp?) and it's just not flying. I think they're pissed because Obama basically called them out on their cynical pick in Palin. McCain and Palin are, at heart, completely different. She's the kind of fundamentalist McCain has expressed open disdain for in the past until it started hurting his campaign too much. So, there's Obama using a bit of crafty wordplay and they have to respond. And you have to admit, it was a bit crafty and relevant. Using her lipstick brag and turning it into the sad truth that she really is the "lipstick" on McCain's "pig" is a bit harsh, but none the less true. If McCain could have anyone, do you really think she'd be his first choice?
In the end, the politicking doesn't matter. Bring on the debates! For now, it plays just the way Rove would have written it to turn it into Obama v. Palin and avoid the issues all together.
RomanDad
09-11-2008, 05:58 AM
If McCain could have anyone, do you really think she'd be his first choice?
Given what shes done to the poll numbers and the momentum in this race, I think in hindsight McCain is saying "wow.... That was the greatest decision Ive ever made..."
ilbob
09-11-2008, 06:02 AM
I laugh out loud every time I see people emphasize "Hussein" when talking about Obama. Too bad appeals to emotion work so well with those who can't use their brains.
That one works because it is relevant. At a time when the US is locked in a war to the death with militant Islam, a man comes along with militant Islamic roots and wants to be US president. Pretty darn relevant.
ilbob
09-11-2008, 06:14 AM
Hey, I thought Barack was supposed to be a VERY intelligent man? If he's so smart, how come he keeps walking into minefields? :kest:
You have to remember. BHO has never had to run a campaign that was seriously contested.
Look at how he became senator. The guy he ran against initially dropped out when it was rumored he asked his wife to perform sex acts on him in a night club. The idiot Illinois republican party then imported Alan Keyes to run against Obama, basically insuring he would win big time.
Alan Keyes is a good guy, but he is almost unknown in Illinois, and he has never mastered the art of the sound bite.
Obama run for the Illinois senate was all but unopposed. He may just not know how to run a campaign when there is serious opposition.
ilbob
09-11-2008, 06:20 AM
1. I don't even know what a "community organizer" is.
Generally speaking in Chicago, Illinois politics it refers to someone who is a political operative who does the dirty work for the demorat party.
Hans Gruber
09-11-2008, 06:26 AM
That one works because it is relevant. At a time when the US is locked in a war to the death with militant Islam, a man comes along with militant Islamic roots and wants to be US president. Pretty darn relevant.
Wow I didn't know that, could you provide a link or some information proving that Obama has MILITANT Islamic roots? Sounds like a bombshell to me!
Or are you insinuating that all muslims are militants?
~KJ
ilbob
09-11-2008, 07:06 AM
Wow I didn't know that, could you provide a link or some information proving that Obama has MILITANT Islamic roots? Sounds like a bombshell to me!
Or are you insinuating that all muslims are militants?
~KJ
He has admitted publicly he attended a Muslim madasrah as a child in Indonesia, known for its militancy and anti-Americanism.
You can, of course, choose to believe what you want.
Hans Gruber
09-11-2008, 07:49 AM
He has admitted publicly he attended a Muslim madasrah as a child in Indonesia, known for its militancy and anti-Americanism.
You can, of course, choose to believe what you want.
Wrong. He's got plenty of other strikes against him but this is BS.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
http://www.newsweek.com/id/70240
~KJ
spencerhut
09-11-2008, 07:55 AM
Or are you insinuating that all muslims are militants?
If he doesn't, I will. Damn car bombers. grumble grumble :mad: I'm not religious, but something about god sorting them out comes to mind.
Hans Gruber
09-11-2008, 07:59 AM
If he doesn't, I will. Damn car bombers. grumble grumble :mad: I'm not religious, but something about god sorting them out comes to mind.
Good ol' fashioned genocide then eh?
Glock22Fan
09-11-2008, 08:32 AM
Wrong. He's got plenty of other strikes against him but this is BS.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
http://www.newsweek.com/id/70240
~KJ
There's a been a lot of talk about his Muslim background, his Muslim associates and his links with militant and angry activists (not all of them Muslim). Maybe it is all nonsense and he never had a militant view in his life, but to deny the background either shows that you have not been watching the news or that you are blinkered.
Hans Gruber
09-11-2008, 08:42 AM
There's a been a lot of talk about his Muslim background, his Muslim associates and his links with militant and angry activists (not all of them Muslim). Maybe it is all nonsense and he never had a militant view in his life, but to deny the background either shows that you have not been watching the news or that you are blinkered.
So he's got a muslim middle name and was forced by political conditions on the ground to become "associated" with a guy who was an extremist in a former life.
That's sure got militant muslim extremist written all over it!
By that logic Palin is an extreme Christian book burning secessionist.
I'm just saying that that's where that train of thought leads you logically.
There's a lot of "talk" going on out there but not a lot of "facts". There are plenty of reasons to not vote for him, this isn't one of them.
~KJ
brando
09-11-2008, 09:23 AM
Stop using logic and reason! ;)
Glock22Fan
09-11-2008, 09:42 AM
http://www.meforum.org/article/pipes/5544
Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.
Hans Gruber
09-11-2008, 10:09 AM
http://www.meforum.org/article/pipes/5544
I can probably produce a link to some random web page that says that Obama is really a turnip dressed as a man, running for president as part of the anti-ranch dressing movement.
Now there's a tasty conspiracy!
~KJ
dfletcher
09-11-2008, 10:33 AM
Regardless of who is right or wrong, who called who a pig or not - a Presidential candidiate should spend time attacking the other Presidential candidiate, not the VP candidiate. Let Biden deal with Palin.
Obama's strength was (is?) that he was perceived as being above petty politics. The Republicans shall and should use every opportunity to portray him as being no different from the rest.
It's funny how republicans would rather talk about lipstick
instead of actual issues
They've been learning from the Dems.;)
Since Obama claims he was making a metaphor, joke, yarn (You pick the word!!) How do you suppose the left wing media, Rev. Jackson, Charlie Rangel an just about EVERYONE in the Democrat party would respond if Sarah Palin had said something like this: " Senator Obama is an honest, straight talking man. He simply calls a spade, a spade!!"
That's also metaphor, joke, yarn (You pick the word!!)
There would be lawsuits and calls for public flogging!!!
Th
It already happened with "uppity".
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