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M47_Dragon
09-05-2008, 4:25 PM
Hi Everyone,

Looking for some help on where to find a CA legal muzzle break (.223, 1/2 x 28) with an aggressive end. I like the Yankee Hill 5C2, but I don't think it is legal here. Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Brad

technique
09-05-2008, 4:27 PM
PWS primary weapon systems.

Addax
09-05-2008, 5:11 PM
How about the Addax Bulldog FSC (It is an aggressive end version of the PWS FSC 556 Comp).;)

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=1069

Here is a picture of one installed on one of our GPU's.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/addax/GUN_SHOOT_JML_0245.jpg

technique
09-05-2008, 5:12 PM
Thats bad to the bone!!!!

CHS
09-05-2008, 5:21 PM
How about the Addax Bulldog FSC (It is an aggressive end version of the PWS FSC 556 Comp).;)

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=1069


That is just SEXY and evil all at the same time!!!

jandmtv
09-05-2008, 5:30 PM
That is just SEXY and evil all at the same time!!!

Addax (Chris) was nice enough to give me a Bull Dog FSC to test for him and provide feedback. All I can say is that I didnt think it was possible to reduce the recoil on my 20" CMMG MedCon because the recoil was minimal to begin with. Well, I was wrong! The BD FSC works very well at eliminating muzzle rise and killing what little recoil there was to begin with. I have not yet shot my AR in the dark to test out the flash hiding capability of the BD FSC, that portion of the test will be done wednesday when ASR is open till 9PM.

X-NewYawker
09-05-2008, 5:34 PM
How about the Addax Bulldog FSC (It is an aggressive end version of the PWS FSC 556 Comp).;)

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=1069

Here is a picture of one installed on one of our GPU's.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/addax/GUN_SHOOT_JML_0245.jpg

Hey! I was gonna post that!
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/GUN_SHOOT_JML_0446.jpg

jandmtv
09-05-2008, 5:40 PM
While my pics arent as nice, here is my rifle with the BD FSC

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02229.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02231.jpg

X-NewYawker
09-05-2008, 5:41 PM
Great brake shots!

Mississippi
09-05-2008, 5:43 PM
Troy Midevil works great and looks cool for about 50 bucks.

jandmtv
09-05-2008, 5:47 PM
and more

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02232.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02233.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02234.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02235.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02236.jpg

CHS
09-05-2008, 5:49 PM
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd107/jandmtv/DSC02231.jpg

Heh, Angie was behind me and saw these and said "That looks like something a Klingon would make!"

And she means that with utmost respect :)

jandmtv
09-05-2008, 5:51 PM
Heh, Angie was behind me and saw these and said "That looks like something a Klingon would make!"

And she means that with utmost respect :)

LOL

Addax
09-05-2008, 6:04 PM
:43: Klingon's Rule!

xonetruthcrewx
09-05-2008, 6:36 PM
http://www.tromix.com/images/sharkz1-sm.jpg

http://www.tromix.com/images/sharkz2-sm.jpg

Tromix Rifle Shark Break. DPMS has them. I had one on my old KelTec. Looks way good and works really good.

eric1972
09-05-2008, 6:53 PM
I have a Phantom 5M1 brake welded on my 14.5 LMT upper and MMG lower and I've been pretty happy with it.

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=404

M47_Dragon
09-05-2008, 6:55 PM
Wow, guys! Thanks!

These are all outstanding! Decisions, decisions...


:rockon:

technique
09-05-2008, 6:56 PM
http://www.tromix.com/images/sharkz1-sm.jpg

http://www.tromix.com/images/sharkz2-sm.jpg

Tromix Rifle Shark Break. DPMS has them. I had one on my old KelTec. Looks way good and works really good.

Those little guys are sharp!!!!! Might be able to pop a car tire with one.

aplinker
09-05-2008, 8:25 PM
Tromix are cheap and they work well at reducing recoil...

I can't compare direct since the Tromix I shot was on an 18" and the FSC is on a 16".

Tromix is cheaper. There's one for sale in teh forums now.

There is an FHM that is a muzzle brake. I believe Rainier has it.

basing110
09-05-2008, 8:52 PM
so does addax make one of those brakes for my 50beo?i believe id need like a 3/4 thread pattern

Suvorov
09-05-2008, 9:44 PM
Yankee Hill DOES make a Muzzle Break version of their Aggressive Phantom flash suppressor. They actually make a couple variations but do make one that is specifically a muzzle break. I just installed one on my latest Monsterman build. Looks great and seems to work well, but that dog sure does bark!

Got mine from Riflegear: http://riflegear.com/p-261-yankee-hill-phantom-muzzle-brake-223556mm-agressive-end.aspx

Ten Percent also list them but right now neither have them in stock: http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=404

Addax
09-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Yankee Hill DOES make a Muzzle Break version of their Aggressive Phantom flash suppressor. They actually make a couple variations but do make one that is specifically a muzzle break. I just installed one on my latest Monsterman build. Looks great and seems to work well, but that dog sure does bark!

Got mine from Riflegear: http://riflegear.com/p-261-yankee-hill-phantom-muzzle-brake-223556mm-agressive-end.aspx

Ten Percent also list them but right now neither have them in stock: http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=404

We have them in stock.;)

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=667

The YHM Brakes are ok, but there are better designs.

I used to use the YHM, but after I tried the FSC I was totally impressed with the amount recoil reduction vs. the YHM and I switched.

Addax
09-05-2008, 10:19 PM
so does addax make one of those brakes for my 50beo?i believe id need like a 3/4 thread pattern

No, only for 5.56 1/2x28

tyrist
09-05-2008, 11:35 PM
How about the Addax Bulldog FSC (It is an aggressive end version of the PWS FSC 556 Comp).;)

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=1069

Here is a picture of one installed on one of our GPU's.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/addax/GUN_SHOOT_JML_0245.jpg

Thats not a flash hider right?

aplinker
09-06-2008, 2:08 AM
Thats not a flash hider right?

If it's anywhere as efficient as the standard FSC I would absolutely not put it on a featureless build.

Our definition is that it noticeably reduces muzzle flash for the shooter, which the FSC does very well.

This is all in spite of BATFE classifying it as a MB. That PWS sells it as a flash suppressing comp would also be a major obstacle to overcome if there became an issue.

Addax
09-06-2008, 7:32 AM
If it's anywhere as efficient as the standard FSC I would absolutely not put it on a featureless build.

Our definition is that it noticeably reduces muzzle flash for the shooter, which the FSC does very well.

This is all in spite of BATFE classifying it as a MB. That PWS sells it as a flash suppressing comp would also be a major obstacle to overcome if there became an issue.

Yes, you are right with Featureless build, the FSC design is controversial and it could possibly cause some issues, since it has a Flash Suppressing cability.

I would even say the Tromix is boderline on a featureless build since the front prongs extend just far enough to inhibit some minor FH capability.

For featurless builds the PWS DNTC is the best choice. I have used it shooting full auto and the DNTC is the FSC without the FH capabilities.

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=1021

Since the OP wants an agressive end, and if he were to build a featurless rifle, then I would say the YHM Comp with the agressive end is one of the best solutions. It does ok as a comp.

There is also the Rock River Arms Tactical Comp. It has a slight aggressive end to it.

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=986

X-NewYawker
09-06-2008, 8:01 AM
Yes, you are right with Featureless build, the FSC design is controversial and it could possibly cause some issues, since it has a Flash Suppressing cability.

I would even say the Tromix is boderline on a featureless build since the front prongs extend just far enough to inhibit some minor FH capability.

For featurless builds the PWS DNTC is the best choice. I have used it shooting full auto and the DNTC is the FSC without the FH capabilities.

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=1021

Since the OP wants an agressive end, and if he were to build a featurless rifle, then I would say the YHM Comp with the agressive end is one of the best solutions. It does ok as a comp.

There is also the Rock River Arms Tactical Comp. It has a slight aggressive end to it.

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=986

Good point -- we want compensating capability with less grief for have a "flash suppressor"

CHS
09-06-2008, 10:18 AM
I thought the legal party line was that regardless of function, if it's sold and marketed as a muzzle brake then it's a muzzle brake, and if it's sold and marketed as a flash hider, then it's a flash hider. ?

Aside from this, does California law actually DEFINE what a flash hider is, and what a muzzle brake is?

What if a muzzle brake reduces flash? Is it no longer a muzzle brake?

tyrist
09-06-2008, 12:46 PM
I thought the legal party line was that regardless of function, if it's sold and marketed as a muzzle brake then it's a muzzle brake, and if it's sold and marketed as a flash hider, then it's a flash hider. ?

Aside from this, does California law actually DEFINE what a flash hider is, and what a muzzle brake is?

What if a muzzle brake reduces flash? Is it no longer a muzzle brake?

This is the problem I am having. Guess I will just get a thread protector for my featureless build.

X-NewYawker
09-06-2008, 12:56 PM
A lot of companies sell what is basically the old m-16 flash suppressor with NO BOTTM Slots -- his will kind of force gas up wards and makes it "a muzzle break. I feel more comfortable with a brake that is clearly designed as a break anyway, since I want muzzle climb controlled MORE than flash.

Example:
The pre-ban slotted M1-A suppressor --
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/GUN_SHOOT_JML_0203.jpg
Does nothing to help control the gun unlike the CAL legal Muzzle brakes -
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_1400.jpg
Some MBs CREATE turbulence that can affect accuracy, tho. Anyone done research on this?

Suvorov
09-06-2008, 2:03 PM
Does nothing to help control the gun unlike the CAL legal Muzzle brakes -
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_1400.jpg
Some MBs CREATE turbulence that can affect accuracy, tho. Anyone done research on this?

According to Springfield's own advertisements around 2000, their Cali-Legal Muzzle "Stabilizer" Break was specifically advertised NOT to affect accuracy. I haven't noticed any difference, but then again, I'm not a 1/4 minute shooter so 99% of all accuracy errors are shooter induced... :(

I have heard old farts telling me that the stabilizer actually "improves accuracy" but I write that off to them just wanting to sell me one. However, given the fact that this break is standard equipment on their flagship M-21 rile, I wouldn't figure it would be hurting accuracy.

FWIW, here is my "featureless build" sporting the YHM "aggressive end" compensator.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f32/wyorca/IMG_2589.jpg

aplinker
09-06-2008, 2:06 PM
I thought the legal party line was that regardless of function, if it's sold and marketed as a muzzle brake then it's a muzzle brake, and if it's sold and marketed as a flash hider, then it's a flash hider. ?

Aside from this, does California law actually DEFINE what a flash hider is, and what a muzzle brake is?

What if a muzzle brake reduces flash? Is it no longer a muzzle brake?

Yes... It's on the flow chart. Again, the flow chart is nice because it collapses everything into one place.

That is the definition we use - which is why the FSC would present issues - it's sold as having flash suppressing capabilities.

I wouldn't worry about the Tromix because it's not marketed as such.

These issues were recently addressed in Hunt. I think we have a good deal more latitude with FH because it's so poorly written.

THE 0NE
09-06-2008, 2:25 PM
wow i want one!!!!!!!!

DedEye
09-06-2008, 4:20 PM
Hi Everyone,

Looking for some help on where to find a CA legal muzzle break (.223, 1/2 x 28) with an aggressive end. I like the Yankee Hill 5C2, but I don't think it is legal here. Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Brad

Just in case you were unclear or this hadn't been mentioned yet, you can use the Yankee Hill aggressive flash suppressor on a mag locked rifle; and as others have mentioned, YHM does make non-FH compensators with the same pattern for featureless builds.

X-NewYawker
09-06-2008, 5:06 PM
According to Springfield's own advertisements around 2000, their Cali-Legal Muzzle "Stabilizer" Break was specifically advertised NOT to affect accuracy. I haven't noticed any difference, but then again, I'm not a 1/4 minute shooter so 99% of all accuracy errors are shooter induced... :(

I have heard old farts telling me that the stabilizer actually "improves accuracy" but I write that off to them just wanting to sell me one. However, given the fact that this break is standard equipment on their flagship M-21 rile, I wouldn't figure it would be hurting accuracy.

FWIW, here is my "featureless build" sporting the YHM "aggressive end" compensator.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f32/wyorca/IMG_2589.jpg

I had to go to my notes from 15 years ago and yes, the Company does claim the CA brake does have an accuracy edge over the old slot type -- I was just wondering if anyone had shot them side by side. I'm going to shot an old vs new next week --- but one will be a Supermatch and the other a SOCOM so it won't be fair comparison.

Addax
09-06-2008, 6:02 PM
Just in case you were unclear or this hadn't been mentioned yet, you can use the Yankee Hill aggressive flash suppressor on a mag locked rifle; and as others have mentioned, YHM does make non-FH compensators with the same pattern for featureless builds.

DedEye is right.

You can use any FH or Comp/FH like our FSC Bulldog or the YHM Flash Hider, as long as you have a mag lock on your rifle.

You just need to be careful on the Featureless Builds, that is where you want to have a compensator only.

tyrist
09-06-2008, 6:22 PM
DedEye is right.

You can use any FH or Comp/FH like our FSC Bulldog or the YHM Flash Hider, as long as you have a mag lock on your rifle.

You just need to be careful on the Featureless Builds, that is where you want to have a compensator only.

Have any recommendations for a featureless build?

ar15barrels
09-06-2008, 7:00 PM
Have any recommendations for a featureless build?

There's no question that the YHM is purely a brake, not a flash suppressor.

Addax
09-07-2008, 12:12 AM
Have any recommendations for a featureless build?

These are the one's we carry that will work on a featureless build. these are purely Muzzle Brakes / Comps.

PWS DNTC
http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=1021


Troy Medieval
http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=876


RRA Tactical Muzzle Brake
http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=986


YHM Comp
http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=667

eric1972
09-07-2008, 12:19 AM
Randall was the one who actually pin welded the Phantom 5M1 "aggressive" brake on my 14.5" LMT M4 upper and I love it. He did an outstanding job while I waited.