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Oldnoob
09-03-2008, 4:58 PM
Are there any laws about the limit of barrel length on rifles?

BP88
09-03-2008, 4:59 PM
The rifle has to be at least 30 inches long, so yes.

thedrickel
09-03-2008, 4:59 PM
16" is the federal minimum. CA has no other limits besides overall length.

Quiet
09-03-2008, 5:07 PM
16" is the federal minimum. CA has no other limits besides overall length.

What he said. :)

CHS
09-03-2008, 5:37 PM
The rifle has to be at least 30 inches long, so yes.

Only if the gun is semi-automatic. The 30" thing is an AW feature.

If it's not semi-automatic, then the federal minimum applies (26")

16" is the minimum legal barrel length for rifles
18" is the minimum legal barrel length for shotguns

BP88
09-03-2008, 5:38 PM
Only if the gun is semi-automatic. The 30" thing is an AW feature.

If it's not semi-automatic, then the federal minimum applies (26")

16" is the minimum legal barrel length for rifles
18" is the minimum legal barrel length for shotguns

I assumed he meant semi-auto. Too much AR15 talk!

Oldnoob
09-03-2008, 6:08 PM
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aplinker
09-03-2008, 8:27 PM
16" total barrel length for all long rifles (including any permanently attached muzzle device) measuring internally from the bolt face to the muzzle. Otherwiser it would be considered an SBR.

All rifles need to be longer than 26" with the stock collapsed or it's considered an SBR.

All semi-automatic, centerfire rifles need to be longer than 30" with the stock collapsed or it's considered an AW.

There are no maximum lengths.

saki302
09-04-2008, 2:22 AM
All rifles need to be longer than 26" with the stock collapsed or it's considered an SBR.


I thought that Federal law states it has to be over 26" with the stock EXTENDED- there were plenty of rifles pre-2K ban which were smaller than 26" when folded/collapsed.
Underfolder AKs come to mind.. and the ZM weapons side-folding AR, etc..

-Dave

aplinker
09-04-2008, 2:39 AM
I thought that Federal law states it has to be over 26" with the stock EXTENDED- there were plenty of rifles pre-2K ban which were smaller than 26" when folded/collapsed.
Underfolder AKs come to mind.. and the ZM weapons side-folding AR, etc..

-Dave

Here's what I know...

Yes, you're correct about Federal law...


In CA...

Any rifle less than 26" is codified as being an SBR by CA state law (12020(c)2-B)
(2) As used in this section, a "short-barreled
rifle" means any of the following:
(B) A rifle with an overall length of less than
26 inches.

According to the court case we use for measuring OAL, we take this in CA as being with the stock closed.

As such, any rifle with an OAL less than 26", stock closed, would be considered an SBR, if we can assume the case also applies to the measurement of an SBR

Now, if that court case is specific to AW only (and it's been a while since I've read it), then you could argue it wouldn't be the same for SBRs.

saki302
09-06-2008, 10:41 PM
Hmm.. interesting.. I wonder how many people might be in unwitting *possible* violation of this law who have registered AWs or pump guns..

-Dave