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hybridatsun350
09-02-2008, 6:28 PM
I am going to be deer hunting up in B-zone in a couple weeks, and I have yet to decide which rifle I'm going to take. My two main choices right now are my Rem 700p LTR (.308) and my 20" HBAR AR (.223), but there are obvious issues with both of them. Do you guys have any ideas?

Update: I might be able to get my hands on a .30-06 BAR. Opinions?

Thanks, Nick

sorensen440
09-02-2008, 6:31 PM
my votes the ltr

Ding126
09-02-2008, 6:34 PM
my votes the ltr

+1 ( .223 is too light a round for deer IMO although it can be done )

hybridatsun350
09-02-2008, 6:36 PM
I am just worried about the weight of the LTR. I'm sure it wouldn't kill me, but it's not a light hunting rifle by any means!

sorensen440
09-02-2008, 6:49 PM
I am just worried about the weight of the LTR. I'm sure it wouldn't kill me, but it's not a light hunting rifle by any means!

then my advice to you is to buy another rifle :D
maybe get a short lever gun

Fjold
09-02-2008, 7:09 PM
I just got through carrying a 10 lb rifle all over Namibia last month. The 308 over the 223 everytime.

hybridatsun350
09-02-2008, 7:15 PM
I just got through carrying a 10 lb rifle all over Namibia last month. The 308 over the 223 everytime.

Can I borrow your .375 H&H? I hear there are some monstrous blacktail up in B-zone!:p

Plus, I'm a lefty so everything should work out great!

Thefeeder
09-02-2008, 7:48 PM
Can I borrow your .375 H&H? I hear there are some monstrous blacktail up in B-zone!:p

Plus, I'm a lefty so everything should work out great!



Baged many a blacktail including 2 3x4's with 80gr bullets

I do believe there are 70gr loads for the 223
Take the gun you shoot best.

scr83jp
09-02-2008, 8:10 PM
I am going to be deer hunting up in B-zone in a couple weeks, and I have yet to decide which rifle I'm going to take. My two main choices right now are my Rem 700p LTR (.308) and my 20" HBAR AR (.223), but there are obvious issues with both of them. Do you guys have any ideas?

Thanks, NickI hunted the B zone from 1969 thru 2007 our party had ackley improved 06's ,06's,243's,7mm,308's,30-30's,25-06's,32-20,32-40,38-55,45-70,257,300 weatherby mags plus mil surplus rifles in 8mm,etc and any other caliber one can think of since everyone had bear tags in addition to 2 deer tags .

lexluger
09-02-2008, 8:28 PM
I could have sworn you had to have .25 cal or larger for big game in CA. I just looked through the regs and only found mention of centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles. I guess that is why you should read the regs every year.

Rob454
09-02-2008, 8:45 PM
308

glockman19
09-02-2008, 8:50 PM
No choice at all...
+1 ( .223 is too light a round for deer IMO although it can be done )
Take the Remington and the .308

Trapper
09-02-2008, 8:51 PM
LTR! it will leave a larger entry and exit wound creating a better blood trail. If you have to deal with wind the .308 will have less drift.

m98
09-03-2008, 1:10 AM
Take the rifle you are most comfortable and shoot best with. Any rifle is useless if the shooter can't shoot for sh*t. That said the .223 loaded with premium ammo and shot placement is plentiful for deer. And yes I've seen and have bagged big bucks from B-zone. My cousin's blacktail scored I think 2nd place on the B&C record for kalifornia and it was from zone B. And a side note is that it took him 2 shots from his remmy 30-06 to take down this buck. The first didn't strike the kill zone so buck ran a ways until he was able to take another shot to finally put em' down. So SHOT PLACEMENT is the MOST important, THEN it's Caliber that comes next.

Dark Water
09-03-2008, 2:07 AM
The bigger the better. Less fuss later. Go 7mm Remington Magnum.

Fjold
09-03-2008, 5:51 AM
Can I borrow your .375 H&H? I hear there are some monstrous blacktail up in B-zone!:p

Plus, I'm a lefty so everything should work out great!

I used it for a 20 Lb Steenbok, I don't know if it's enough gun for blacktail.

pdq_wizzard
09-03-2008, 6:08 AM
I don't know, I think 243 would be about as big as I would use on a blacktail, (they are not much bigger than my dog), but I do think 223 is just a little to small. but if you use the 06 use something light ~140gr. (don't want to lose to much meat)
by the way good luck I hope you get one.

hybridatsun350
09-03-2008, 7:43 AM
The bigger the better. Less fuss later. Go 7mm Remington Magnum.

I do want some usable meat from this animal! lol:eek:

I can just imagine a 160gr out of a 7-mag hitting a 150lb blacktail at 75 yrds....

m98
09-04-2008, 2:10 AM
I do want some usable meat from this animal! lol:eek:

I can just imagine a 160gr out of a 7-mag hitting a 150lb blacktail at 75 yrds....


depends on what kind of bullet is used...say if it was a nosler partion then it wouldn't be so bad as the partition can hold together very well unless struck big bone. On the other hand if using nosler ballistic tips lots of venison may be lost...best be is to use like barnes x bullets or bonded core bullets to minimize meat damage.

Bongos
09-04-2008, 7:42 AM
suck it up and use the LTR.... otherwise got an SKS, that's what South Dakota boys hunt white tails with

JayDeeSacramento
09-04-2008, 10:35 PM
I've seen alot of deer killed in California and most people swear by the 30-.06. I personally use a Remington Model 788 .243 because it's very light and I love the detachable box magazine. I would not recommend a .223 as I know a lot of guys that frown on me even using my .243. I've seen coastal bucks shot with 7 mags and it's not pretty..

Go with the .308. Maybe workout a little before you go. The best part is dragging that heavy *** dear, gun, and pack back down to the truck. That's when you notice the weight of the gun.

hybridatsun350
09-04-2008, 10:44 PM
I'm going to take the LTR. It's just going to look a little weird walking around with a completely tacticooled out Rem. 700. Detachable mag, Harris bipod, Leupold Mil-Dot scope w/killflash...you get the idea, lol!

Bobula
09-04-2008, 10:50 PM
I use a remington 7400 in 30-06, I upped to a semi auto from a bolt action .270

m98
09-04-2008, 11:05 PM
I'm going to take the LTR. It's just going to look a little weird walking around with a completely tacticooled out Rem. 700. Detachable mag, Harris bipod, Leupold Mil-Dot scope w/killflash...you get the idea, lol!

I know a lot of guys who packs tacticool rifles for hunting. It's all about the hunters taste. On the side note, there are A LOT of FARMERS that farms in the woods that we kalifornians hunt in and having more than just a plain jane bolt rifle may be a good idea to have as from what I've heard from relatives and rumors, those farmers are packing full fledge Ak's and such. I had a relative a few years back who stumbled upon their crops and was faced with AK's from all angles. Luckily they didn't kill him but took his ID for future reference if anything arises later they'll know where to find him.

hybridatsun350
09-05-2008, 7:49 AM
So maybe I should have included AK as one of my hunting options! haha

ZOMBIEHUNTER
09-05-2008, 8:02 PM
223 is under legal it 243 and larger

technique
09-05-2008, 8:17 PM
I use a 243, 270, 308, or .458 socom. occasionally a 6.8 spc

.308 is a good choice but so is 30-06

Whitesmoke
09-06-2008, 8:28 AM
223 is under legal it 243 and larger

Can you back that up with anything..??

353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game.

(a) Except for the provisions of subsections 353(b) through (h), Title 14, CCR, big game (as defined by Section 350, Title 14, CCR) may only be taken by rifles using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles;

hybridatsun350
09-06-2008, 10:10 AM
Yea, I was gonna say! It is perfectly legal to hunt with .223. Not that I am going to use my AR, but it would be legal.

I do believe a 150gr. Core-Lokt should do the job just fine.

nothing4u
09-06-2008, 11:14 AM
Just remember if it runs a few hundred yards and still standing up and I put him down, it's my kill.

tankerman
09-06-2008, 11:50 AM
I don't know, I think 243 would be about as big as I would use on a blacktail, (they are not much bigger than my dog), but I do think 223 is just a little to small. but if you use the 06 use something light ~140gr. (don't want to lose to much meat)
by the way good luck I hope you get one.
No bigger than 243 and 223 is too small. What does that mean? Is there some caliber between 243 and 223 that I am not aware of? Or are you saying 243 is the only round for Blacktail?

ontmark
09-06-2008, 12:57 PM
Possible range of shot??
I have known a lot of the old timers I hunt with use a 22-250 with good results.
Range of possible shot?

Longer range: take the longer barrel rifle with good optics.
Short range: either one will do.

hybridatsun350
09-06-2008, 3:25 PM
Possible range of shot??
I have known a lot of the old timers I hunt with use a 22-250 with good results.
Range of possible shot?

Longer range: take the longer barrel rifle with good optics.
Short range: either one will do.

I would suspect the longest shot made up where I'm going to be is probably about 100 yards, but maybe I'm wrong. It is pretty well wooded up there.

Both rifles have the same barrel length so there's not much to talk about there.

tankerman
09-06-2008, 6:29 PM
I would suspect the longest shot made up where I'm going to be is probably about 100 yards, but maybe I'm wrong. It is pretty well wooded up there.

Both rifles have the same barrel length so there's not much to talk about there.
100 yards and only in the woods.

Use a levergun.

They can be had cheap.

hybridatsun350
09-07-2008, 1:41 AM
The 100 yrds is just a guess. What is the average distance for a shot up there in B-zone?

m98
09-07-2008, 5:24 AM
The 100 yrds is just a guess. What is the average distance for a shot up there in B-zone?

I'd say mostly 100yds or less, but it also depends on how far you look for deer. I've personally shot 1 buck at 525yds out of all the years I've hunted there.

lucas_shane
09-07-2008, 2:23 PM
the 223 is MORE THAN GOOD. zero it in and take ahead or neck shot the animal will drop in its tracks. there is nothing wrong with the BIG BORE guns other than the fact they weigh a ton and kick like a mule.
go with the 223 you wont be dissapointed. i use a 222 and havent had a deer run more than about steps.

ZOMBIEHUNTER
09-07-2008, 5:54 PM
regulations must of changed when i took hunter safety we were told 223 was only for non-big game species but that was years back i know most hunting guides advise against a 223 for deer or anything bigger i know alot of pig guides thats say 30 cal and over

nothing4u
09-08-2008, 11:14 AM
regulations must of changed when i took hunter safety we were told 223 was only for non-big game species but that was years back i know most hunting guides advise against a 223 for deer or anything bigger i know alot of pig guides thats say 30 cal and over

If you read the pig and deer guide from DFG it does list recommended calibers. But it's just that recommended. There's no regulation that says you can't use use .223. Will a .223 kill a deer or hog? Yes, it's all about shot placement and at reasonable ranges. Would I do it? Nope, not when I have access to 6.8 SPC, .308, .300 win mag, and slugs.

m98
09-09-2008, 10:50 PM
regulations must of changed when i took hunter safety we were told 223 was only for non-big game species but that was years back i know most hunting guides advise against a 223 for deer or anything bigger i know alot of pig guides thats say 30 cal and over

years back, the only bullets in .224 cal. were light/explosive varminting bullets. Nowadays we've got a good selection of .224 cal. bullets specifically made medicine for deer.

On side note using .223 for big game should only be used by veteran hunters/expert shooters as poor shot placement will have a good % of losing the buck as compared to a poor shot placement with a .308