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bruss01
09-01-2008, 4:11 PM
Ok, I have two Stag lowers and internals for them. I want to have them built into CA complaint featureless build AR rifles, one in 5.56 NATO and the other in x39. No flash hider or muzzle break, just a plain unthreaded muzzle, and zero evil features. (both flat top) - I already have an ample supply of 10 round x39 mags and a lot of x39 that I bought when it only cost an arm, instead of an arm and a leg.

I'm looking for quality but at an affordable price (best bang for the buck in other words). I'm flexible on details, and ready to have options pitched to me.

Are there any recommendations for someone who would be able to take on this kind of work and do a good job at a reasonable price? Who isn't backlogged until doomsday?

Thanks for any input.

elSquid
09-01-2008, 4:19 PM
Are there any recommendations for someone who would be able to take on this kind of work and do a good job at a reasonable price? Who isn't backlogged until doomsday?

I recommend you!

http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/
http://www.calguns.net/OLL/assembly.html

Lower assembly is pretty simple. Do it yourself. Afterwards you'll be amazed at how easy it was.

Then buy a couple of uppers, slap them on, and you are GTG.

-- Michael

sorensen440
09-01-2008, 4:21 PM
where do you live?
I would be happy to help you do the assembly
Im in the bay area myself

Full Clip
09-01-2008, 4:22 PM
I recommend you!

I second the motion. It's really not that hard, using just VERY basic tools.
If you work it step-by-step with patience, you'll be done in a couple hours and very proud of the rifle YOU built.

GunOwner
09-01-2008, 4:25 PM
Honestly do it yourself - I am a moron and have no mechanical ability and very few tools - it is tinker toy simple - just follow the step by step on AR15.com. Then if things go wrong later you have the basic knowledge to troubleshoot. Fair warning - it is very addicting even though it is simple.

Sam1
09-01-2008, 4:50 PM
I built my ar too with no previous experience(just shooting experience). I just needed some tape to avoid scratching the receiver, a hammer, and the guide posted above! took under 15 minutes. There's also a video on youtube that helps. I'd do it for you for free if you were in the area. Now the ak47 is another story . . you need more tools for that one, but the AR is easy to build it your self.

smogcity
09-01-2008, 4:50 PM
one more for you!

DIY and you'll understand what to do if their is a malfunction

bwiese
09-01-2008, 4:55 PM
You don't need a smith to build an AR, esp if you're buying an assembled upper.

In my single days, I built an AR in bed while watching Jay Leno. Only issue was my cat Pastel wanted to play with the small parts.

7.62x39 ARs may be problematic because of mag issues. Last I heard most of the 10rd mags really only worked to the 5 round level. There are some converted AK mags with AR adapters that work well, but they're 30 rounder unobtainium-in-CA.

Note: I know of no 762x39 AR uppers that come with chrome-lined bbls.

Santa Cruz Armory
09-01-2008, 4:57 PM
I have one of each I may be interested in selling.

The .223 is a Model 1, 1/9, 20" FF barrel, flat top with det. carry handle. NM sights (1/4" moa clicks) bcg/ch included. Approx 1500 rds through it. The Bipod is also included. $450

The 7.62x 39 I'm told (I bought it second hand) is a DPMS. It's a flat top rifle length upper. I've only put a couple hundred rounds or so through it. It shot really accurate but I was plagued with the usual magazine issues. C Products now offers mags, but I don't shoot the rifle anymore. Bcg/ch is included. I"ll also include about 5 10 rd. mags. $450

If you don't get 'em, they go in the for sale forum and on ARF.COM. I'm in the Bay Area.

They are the one on the left and the one in the back middle.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e346/BLFD1/IMG_3918.jpg

Quiet
09-01-2008, 4:59 PM
Build it yourself.
It's not very hard.

:Pirate:

bruss01
09-01-2008, 5:55 PM
Thanks for all the responses folks.

The hard part seems to be finding barrelled uppers without any threading or MB/FH installed.

BLFD1 I could possibly take that x39 off your hands - is there any way we could get the muzzle re-done? (recommendations anyone?)

I would consider doing the build myself - but I'm having trouble finding the features I want. If anyone has specific links to a mfr site where I can see the parts, the help would be greatly appreciated.

Santa Cruz Armory
09-01-2008, 6:24 PM
Thanks for all the responses folks.

The hard part seems to be finding barreled uppers without any threading or MB/FH installed.

BLFD1 I could possibly take that x39 off your hands - is there any way we could get the muzzle re-done? (recommendations anyone?)




Why do you want to remove the threads? :confused:

H8Mud
09-01-2008, 6:45 PM
contact aloharover on here his name is pete, or contact him on his site www.evil-black-rifles.com

BP88
09-01-2008, 6:47 PM
All you need a is a couple of screwdrivers and a small punch set. I did it in my bedroom in like 20 minutes.

CWatson
09-01-2008, 7:06 PM
Thanks for all the responses folks.

The hard part seems to be finding barrelled uppers without any threading or MB/FH installed.
I was having the same trouble finding a plain barrel for my featureless 9mm build so I ordered a upper with a flash hider and plan on unscrewing it and put a simple thread protector on it.

Just today I was steered towards a seller on ebay who makes them for $10.50 shipped. Search ebay for a seller named dock1029.

http://cgi.ebay.com/THREAD-PROTECTOR-1-2x28-1-2x32-1-2x36-10-22_W0QQitemZ230287282558QQihZ013QQcategoryZ73962QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Email him and see if he will do one for a 7.62. He makes the one at a time and they are about 1/2 the price of the ones at Midway.


One more thing! When you order or buy an upper make sure the muzzle device is not permanently fixed, welded on.


CW

Santa Cruz Armory
09-01-2008, 7:24 PM
I'm confused.... If you want a "featureless" build just go with a muzzle brake. Thats what I did on the AR on the left. It's "featureless".

You don't need to have a smooth muzzle... unless thats the way you want it. :confused:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e346/BLFD1/IMG_3918.jpg

bruss01
09-01-2008, 7:27 PM
Why do you want to remove the threads? :confused:

I don't want a muzzle that looks any different than say, a mini 14 or other garden variety rifle. I don't want or need any "military" features such as a pistol grip or bipod - just want as plain a rifle as possible that is based on the AR design. This has been the tough part of my equation... otherwise it would come together pretty simply.

TonyM
09-01-2008, 7:31 PM
I don't want a muzzle that looks any different than say, a mini 14 or other garden variety rifle. I don't want or need any "military" features such as a pistol grip or bipod - just want as plain a rifle as possible that is based on the AR design. This has been the tough part of my equation... otherwise it would come together pretty simply.

You can use one of these, I have one I used for awhile.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=469030&t=11082005

And, I agree assemble it yourself. An AR really isn't building anything, it's a few pins, screws, and if you're assembling an upper from parts, a nut. But if building the upper, you will need to have a few tools and a vise and a vise block for the upper.

RP1911
09-01-2008, 7:56 PM
www.tenpercentfirearms.com go and order an upper that has no muzzlebrake or flash hider. You can also buy a Monsterman grip or U-15 buttstock. then you just complete your lower and put everything together accomplishing what you want. They also have LPK (Lower parts kit).

freakshow10mm
09-01-2008, 8:08 PM
My recommendation is to build the lower yourself and buy a complete upper. Plenty of AR makers have AWB uppers. Then as you get experience removing and replacing the upper parts as your rifle grows with you.

bruss01
09-01-2008, 8:38 PM
www.tenpercentfirearms.com go and order an upper that has no muzzlebrake or flash hider. You can also buy a Monsterman grip or U-15 buttstock. then you just complete your lower and put everything together accomplishing what you want. They also have LPK (Lower parts kit).

Ok, I went there... did not see a complete upper in 7.62x39... maybe I missed it and you can point it out?

ohsmily
09-01-2008, 8:39 PM
I don't want a muzzle that looks any different than say, a mini 14 or other garden variety rifle. I don't want or need any "military" features such as a pistol grip or bipod - just want as plain a rifle as possible that is based on the AR design. This has been the tough part of my equation... otherwise it would come together pretty simply.

Hey, its your rifle, you do what you want, but bipods, threaded barrels and pistol grips are not "military features." Bipods and threaded barrels aren't even listed in any sort of current legislation pertaining to rifles. What is wrong with a threaded barrel?

bruss01
09-01-2008, 8:42 PM
contact aloharover on here his name is pete, or contact him on his site www.evil-black-rifles.com

didn't see complete upper in x39... help?

bruss01
09-01-2008, 8:43 PM
Hey, its your rifle, you do what you want, but bipods, threaded barrels and pistol grips are not "military features." Bipods and threaded barrels aren't even listed in any sort of current legislation pertaining to rifles. What is wrong with a threaded barrel?

Personal choice.

bruss01
09-01-2008, 9:21 PM
May just end up getting this:
20" x39 chrome lined barrel (http://www.ar15-kits.com/index1.html) get it cut down a couple inches and re-crowned. I didn't want to have to assemble an upper myself because this is my first AR, but if I have to in order to get what I want... That means ordering everything piecemeal... sigh - was hoping to avoid that.

Would much rather have someone else who knows what they're doing take the responsibility to make sure it works right every time.

eta: Wait! they do have a complete upper (http://www.ar15-kits.com/index1.html). Would still want to get it cut down a couple inches and re-crowned. I don't know what most of these options are... anyone care to offer opinions? The rifle will be used for carbine class, and in a worst-case situation for mutant zombie biker defense. What options are advisable? (want to pick my own furniture later, and add eotech holosight but other than that I'm flexible...)

Would also be getting the 5.56 upper for the other stag lower... and eventually (someday) a spare 5.56 upper.

I managed to score a deal on the C products 10 round x39 mags, so I'm not too worried about feeding issues.

elSquid
09-01-2008, 9:26 PM
didn't see complete upper in x39... help?

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/?cat=1609

http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_p/cv1033.htm

http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=USO207&storeid=1&image=upoststd27.gif

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=107&category_id=12&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Opinions vary on the above suppliers. FWIW. Search the archives before buying.

My vote would be to buy a Saiga or AK if you want to run 7.62x39. You can get either for less than the cost of an upper.

Oh and if you want to go featureless....

http://www.monstermangrip.com/Customer_Photos.php

-- Michael

tenpercentfirearms
09-01-2008, 11:57 PM
I don't recall you saying where you were located. That would help as far as recommending someone you can walk in and have build the lower for you. If you can't put the upper on the lower, then you should not own guns, drive a motor vehicle, nor handle pointy objects. :D

bruss01
09-02-2008, 6:21 AM
http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/?cat=1609

http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_p/cv1033.htm

http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=USO207&storeid=1&image=upoststd27.gif

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=107&category_id=12&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Opinions vary on the above suppliers. FWIW. Search the archives before buying.

My vote would be to buy a Saiga or AK if you want to run 7.62x39. You can get either for less than the cost of an upper.

Oh and if you want to go featureless....

http://www.monstermangrip.com/Customer_Photos.php

-- Michael


Michael,

Thanks! boy you did some homework - and thanks for the links... I will look some more when I have more time - I did notice that most of the links were to carrier-handle models, but I am looking for a flat top. But I will look more at those sites and see if they have what I'm looking for.

bruss01
09-02-2008, 6:23 AM
I don't recall you saying where you were located. That would help as far as recommending someone you can walk in and have build the lower for you. If you can't put the upper on the lower, then you should not own guns, drive a motor vehicle, nor handle pointy objects. :D

Like I said, this would be my first AR so I don't know what's involved - sure, I can put parts together, I just had concerns about parts from various makers working and playing well together and what to do about it if it isn't working right after the assembly.

Sacramento area FWIW.

AR-15 Rep
09-02-2008, 6:40 AM
[QUOTE=bruss01;1487217]May just end up getting this:
20" x39 chrome lined barrel (http://www.ar15-kits.com/index1.html) get it cut down a couple inches and re-crowned. I didn't want to have to assemble an upper myself because this is my first AR, but if I have to in order to get what I want... That means ordering everything piecemeal... sigh - was hoping to avoid that.

eta: Wait! they do have a complete upper (http://www.ar15-kits.com/index1.html). Would still want to get it cut down a couple inches and re-crowned. I don't know what most of these options are... anyone care to offer opinions? QUOTE]

The uppers are assembled, and if you call, we can go over options to make it exactly how you would like it. We also have some other barrels in stock so you do not have to get it recrowned or cut down, but depends on what you would like.

bwiese
09-02-2008, 9:20 AM
AR15Rep...

Interesting...

-Who makes your chrome-lined barrels?
-Are they 4150 CMV steel?
-Are they individually MPI'd?
-Are they "park'd" under the front sight base before FSB attached?

bruss01
09-02-2008, 9:50 AM
AR15Rep...

Interesting...

-Who makes your chrome-lined barrels?
-Are they 4150 CMV steel?
-Are they individually MPI'd?
-Are they "park'd" under the front sight base before FSB attached?

I don't even know what those things mean (as far as advantage/disadvantage goes) but I'd be interested to hear the answers...

elSquid
09-02-2008, 11:49 AM
Michael,

Thanks! boy you did some homework - and thanks for the links... I will look some more when I have more time - I did notice that most of the links were to carrier-handle models, but I am looking for a flat top. But I will look more at those sites and see if they have what I'm looking for.

A while ago I was considering the purchase of a 7.62x39 upper, so I already knew where to look.

After doing some research, I decided that there was little reason for me to buy one. I decided to go with a Saiga instead. :D

-- Michael

aplinker
09-02-2008, 12:45 PM
AR15Rep...

Interesting...

-Who makes your chrome-lined barrels?
-Are they 4150 CMV steel?
-Are they individually MPI'd?
-Are they "park'd" under the front sight base before FSB attached?

I was surprised to see chrome lined x39 barrels, as well...

They're 4140, though.

bruss01
09-02-2008, 12:53 PM
I was surprised to see chrome lined x39 barrels, as well...

They're 4140, though.

Is the difference between pretty good vs. a little better, or more like crap vs good enough?

If it's chrome lined then bore wear should be pretty good, right? Otherwise does it even make a difference?

-hanko
09-02-2008, 4:59 PM
AR15Rep...

Interesting...

-Who makes your chrome-lined barrels?
-Are they 4150 CMV steel?
-Are they individually MPI'd?
-Are they "park'd" under the front sight base before FSB attached?
http://www.ar15-kits.com/index1.html

Per that page, Shaw, Wilson, or JP.

-hanko