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Pilot
08-31-2008, 5:37 PM
I've been shooting a semi .22 that my uncle gave me and I've been wanting to get a new rifle of my choice and I have no clue where to begin. Any suggestions for a gun that is the "next step" from a .22 rifle?

Frijolito1988
08-31-2008, 5:38 PM
Whats your price range

Pilot
08-31-2008, 5:41 PM
Whats your price range
only a few hundred, idk for sure but id guess about $200-$400.

joe_sun
08-31-2008, 5:44 PM
I went from a .22LR to a .223 but I think a 7.62x39 would be a good jump as well.

For an inexpensive first semi auto rifle it's really hard to beat a Saiga in either .223 or 7.62x39. Made in Russia at the same factory and side by side the AK-100 series. Not too good looking but the price is right, they are accurate enough and go bang every time you pull the trigger. It's built on the Kalashnikov action so you know it's going to work.

I got mine from DD's Ranch
http://ddsranch.com/store/index.php?cPath=20_46_286&osCsid=ce3a2108a047793b157ba711d8248b2c

Let us know what you're looking for.. target shooting, hunting, self defense, plinking, iron sights, scope, semi-auto, bolt action ect.

X-NewYawker
08-31-2008, 5:44 PM
CZ 223 bolt action. Under 500. Excellent quality.

savasyn
08-31-2008, 5:45 PM
There are quite a few pistol caliber carbines out there that might be fun for you. I recently got a lever action Puma M92 chambered in .357 Mag. It's a dream to shoot, though ammo costs way more than that you're used to with a .22.

If you have a healthy budget, you could built an AR in either .223 or 9mm depending on whether you shoot primarily outdoors or in.

CSACANNONEER
08-31-2008, 5:45 PM
I don't think that any other caliber is "a step up" or "a step down" from 22lrs. I've shot many different calibers from .12 cal wildcats to 50BMGs (and also, 3" front loading artillary) and each type of rifle and each caliber has it's merits and draw backs. You should just view it as a step in a different dirrection. The first things you need to decide is what do you want the rifle to be capable of and what do you plan to use it for. After you answer these questions, then you should also consider, how much you want to invest, if you plan to shoot it with iron sights or optics and what kind of action you would like it to have.

Frijolito1988
08-31-2008, 5:46 PM
I dont know why people say start off with a small caliber, i mean it might be good for girls to start with a .22 so they wont be scared but idk...i say start with what ever caliber you want big is good! lol on another note

i say

SKS
WASR10 ak

i would say saiga but i dont like sporter rifles im more of an evil rifle guy :43:

Pilot
08-31-2008, 5:52 PM
well, to answer most of your comments, i need something that shoots a bigger bullet than the .22lr, ammo is still fairly inexpensive, and the gun itself isnt too much because the .22lr just doesnt kill those zombies. i wanna use both iron sites and optics to enjoy shooting at the range even more.

bohoki
08-31-2008, 5:52 PM
to me a step up from 22 about 30 years ago was a 30-30
20-10 years ago i would have said how about a marlin camp carbine in 9 or 45 or a lever in .357 or 44 magnum
but now i think it an sks is the best answer

genearally it goes 22 then a 12ga then a 30-06 rifle the 22 teaches you to aim the shotgun teaches you how to handle recoil then you are ready for the rifle(and by rifle i mean a firearm firing a real rifle round{by real rifle round i mean something along the lines with 308 30-06 8mm mauser)

nobs11
08-31-2008, 5:52 PM
I dont know why people say start off with a small caliber, i mean it might be good for girls to start with a .22 so they wont be scared but idk...i say start with what ever caliber you want big is good!

To develop proper skills like follow through and not learn bad habits like flinching and anticipating recoil. Every time I don't go to the range for a while, I take my 22 when I start again and shoot a couple of boxes offhand, kneeling and prone to make sure that flinching and other habits don't creep in.

Frijolito1988
08-31-2008, 5:55 PM
To develop proper skills like follow through and not learn bad habits like flinching and anticipating recoil. Every time I don't go to the range for a while, I take my 22 when I start again and shoot a couple of boxes offhand, kneeling and prone to make sure that flinching and other habits don't creep in.

I agree alittle bit with you, my first rifle was a SKS, i flinched like a mofo for the first 5-10 rounds ...but after that i was smooth sailing, then i moved onto my enfield and .223 AR and dint once flinch after the first shot with that rifle, you get used to it very fast only a few rounds i dont think thats reason enough to propose somebody to start with a .22 , but thats another thread for another day lol

yeah i think an AK would be good henderosn defense is selling them for 350 i belive , check out the website

Pilot
08-31-2008, 5:59 PM
yeah so im kinda getting the idea i should look into either an SKS, Saiga, or an AK.

Pilot
08-31-2008, 6:04 PM
yeah so im kinda getting the idea i should look into either an SKS, Saiga, or an AK.
is there one that is more accurate? feels better? has better iron sites? easier to put a scope on?

CSACANNONEER
08-31-2008, 6:06 PM
well, to answer most of your comments, i need something that shoots a bigger bullet than the .22lr, ammo is still fairly inexpensive, and the gun itself isnt too much because the .22lr just doesnt kill those zombies. i wanna use both iron sites and optics to enjoy shooting at the range even more.

Why don't you think about a lever gun in a pistol caliber then? Or, maybe a Marlin .45acp carbine or something similar? If a single shot will work for you, look into the TC Contender/Encore world, you will end up with extemely accurate (sub moa) weapons with almost infinate possibilities of configurations and calibers. If you just want a 2-4moa battle rifle, a SKS could be your answer.

Frijolito1988
08-31-2008, 6:09 PM
is there one that is more accurate? feels better? has better iron sites? easier to put a scope on?

well , they are both have about the same accuracy , same caliber , almost the same way to put a scope on ...its a really fun plinker, heres what you can do to your ak if you get one , a poor mans red dot , should be fun to plink with :chris:


check out my East german AK74 clone and how i have it

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj297/frijolito1988/DSC03771.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj297/frijolito1988/DSC03769.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj297/frijolito1988/DSC03768.jpg

Pilot
08-31-2008, 6:09 PM
Why don't you think about a lever gun in a pistol caliber then? Or, maybe a Marlin .45acp carbine or something similar? If a single shot will work for you, look into the TC Contender/Encore world, you will end up with extemely accurate (sub moa) weapons with almost infinate possibilities of configurations and calibers. If you just want a 2-4moa battle rifle, a SKS could be your answer. yeah the 'battle' rifle is kinda my thing.

Pilot
08-31-2008, 6:12 PM
well , they are both have about the same accuracy , same caliber , almost the same way to put a scope on ...its a really fun plinker, heres what you can do to your ak if you get one , a poor mans red dot , should be fun to plink with :chris:


check out my AK and how i have it
thats pretty sweet looking, i dont quite know how much you did to it..but it looks pretty chunky and solid, i thought they were much slimmer. that thing looks like it could kick some *** if you ever had to use it that way :p

CSACANNONEER
08-31-2008, 6:22 PM
yeah the 'battle' rifle is kinda my thing.

Then, within your price range, a cheap WASR or an SKS will probably be your best bet. Of course, if you factor in the cost of ammo, even a more expensive, pistol caliber carbine will end up being cheaper in the long run. Personally, I'd like a NFA, SF MP5 in 10mm:D but, realistically, I won't be able to get one until I leave this state and have an extra $15-20K to play with.

Pilot
08-31-2008, 6:24 PM
Then, within your price range, a cheap WASR or an SKS will probably be your best bet. Of course, if you factor in the cost of ammo, even a more expensive, pistol caliber carbine will end up being cheaper in the long run. Personally, I'd like a NFA, SF MP5 in 10mm:D but, realistically, I won't be able to get one until I leave this state and have an extra $15-20K to play with.
whoa, yeah.

domokun
08-31-2008, 7:02 PM
+1 on the AK chambered in 7.62x39mm. Poly-coated Wolf 7.62x39mm runs around $0.20/round right now.

joe_sun
08-31-2008, 7:32 PM
Stay away from the WASR stuff, it's garbage. Romanian Military reject parts. The Saiga is Russian built or if you want more of an AK type of a rifle get one from Henderson Defense. You can get a rifle built from Military parts for a decent price. Just make sure you get one of the rifles they built and not one of the WASR ones.

http://shop.hendersondefense.biz/category.sc;jsessionid=AB9862F8B98331FC1213DB68BA9 0DABC.qscstrfrnt04?categoryId=4

Myself I'd just get a Saiga.

Frijolito1988
08-31-2008, 7:38 PM
LOL! the henderson defense rifles atleast the price range hes lookign at are wasrs!!

aplinker
08-31-2008, 7:54 PM
After reading what you want...

Saiga. For sure. If you can shoot "magnetic" ammo, go with 7.62x39... if not, .223.

caldude
08-31-2008, 9:44 PM
For the desired price range - Saiga, a Big 5 Marlin lever action in pistol calibers, or SKS. 7.62x39 on the Saiga will use cheaper ammo, but may be a tad less accurate than .223.

Another choice, but somewhat outside the price range, is an M1 Carbine.

gunboat
08-31-2008, 10:33 PM
Interesting -- I don't believe anyone actually reccomended a US made weapon --

well maybe a couple --

BP88
08-31-2008, 10:44 PM
Get an AK if you can't afford an AR15. They are cheap, reliable, customizable and fun!

Pilot
09-01-2008, 6:36 PM
After reading what you want...

Saiga. For sure. If you can shoot "magnetic" ammo, go with 7.62x39... if not, .223.what exactly does that mean?

Frijolito1988
09-01-2008, 6:44 PM
most ranges only allow non magnetic ammo..magnetic ammo is cheap alot of the x39 ammo is magnetic and can be had cheap..you can shoot magnetic in BLM land or when the fireseason is out

Pilot
09-01-2008, 6:56 PM
most ranges only allow non magnetic ammo..magnetic ammo is cheap alot of the x39 ammo is magnetic and can be had cheap..you can shoot magnetic in BLM land or when the fireseason is outhow does the range know if its magnetic? and i dont see how it being magnetic makes it cheaper or what the purpose of it even is...

edit: whoa you have 666 posts :61: :reddevil:

Frijolito1988
09-01-2008, 7:42 PM
how does the range know if its magnetic? and i dont see how it being magnetic makes it cheaper or what the purpose of it even is...

edit: whoa you have 666 posts :61: :reddevil:

haha yeah i dint even notice the whole 666 thing

if you put a magnet to the bullet tip, if it attracts then its magnetic..meaning steel core , all of the ranges check if they dont allow steel core ammo

Pilot
09-01-2008, 8:04 PM
haha yeah i dint even notice the whole 666 thing

if you put a magnet to the bullet tip, if it attracts then its magnetic..meaning steel core , all of the ranges check if they dont allow steel core ammoive never seen the range i go to ever walk around to check anything. the only time they ever walk around to check guns is on a ceasefire to get your targets. would that make the bullet more accurate or since its a steel core its more dangerous or something?

aplinker
09-01-2008, 9:59 PM
ive never seen the range i go to ever walk around to check anything. the only time they ever walk around to check guns is on a ceasefire to get your targets. would that make the bullet more accurate or since its a steel core its more dangerous or something?

steel jacketed and/or steel core ammunition is more prone to sparking. Ranges have eliminated its use in fire prone areas. In addition, true steel core (M855, among others) is harder on steel target plates used at many ranges.

The way the ranges that prohibit the use of this ammo is by checking the bullet for attraction to a magnet.

Almost all combloc surplus ammo and all new production x39, save a expensive loadings, is steel or bi-metal jacketed. Surplus ammo tends to be cheaper than commercial loadings, especially if you choose copper jacketed ammo (like Fiocchi). The price difference is more than double.

.223/5.56 is commonly available in cheaper surplus loadings that are not magnetic (like XM193).

Pilot
09-02-2008, 2:14 PM
steel jacketed and/or steel core ammunition is more prone to sparking. Ranges have eliminated its use in fire prone areas. In addition, true steel core (M855, among others) is harder on steel target plates used at many ranges.

The way the ranges that prohibit the use of this ammo is by checking the bullet for attraction to a magnet.

Almost all combloc surplus ammo and all new production x39, save a expensive loadings, is steel or bi-metal jacketed. Surplus ammo tends to be cheaper than commercial loadings, especially if you choose copper jacketed ammo (like Fiocchi). The price difference is more than double.

.223/5.56 is commonly available in cheaper surplus loadings that are not magnetic (like XM193).thanks

Pilot
09-02-2008, 3:04 PM
Hey does anyone know how well the Saiga shooting a 7.62x39mm round will do farther than 100yds as far as bullet drop, accuracy, and how much the wind will blow it; or is it not even worth shooting past 100yds?

Frijolito1988
09-02-2008, 3:06 PM
it say, dont try your luck out to 2-300 yards ...do you wanna shoot far? or just plink ? if you wanna plink and be accurate get a .223 saiga

Pilot
09-02-2008, 4:01 PM
it say, dont try your luck out to 2-300 yards ...do you wanna shoot far? or just plink ? if you wanna plink and be accurate get a .223 saigawell i wanna go to the range and shoot atleast 100yds because 50yds is not enough of a challenge.

BP88
09-02-2008, 4:29 PM
well i wanna go to the range and shoot atleast 100yds because 50yds is not enough of a challenge.

Saiga will be fine.

Pilot
09-02-2008, 4:41 PM
Saiga will be fine.what about 200?

BP88
09-02-2008, 4:42 PM
what about 200?

It should be fine, but don't expect really tight groups.

Sam1
09-02-2008, 4:56 PM
I think someone was selling two ar's for like 450 a pop
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=118689
I'd recommend an sks or ak:63:

Pilot
09-02-2008, 4:58 PM
It should be fine, but don't expect really tight groups.
thanks

Pilot
09-02-2008, 4:59 PM
I think someone was selling two ar's for like 450 a pop
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=118689
I'd recommend an sks or ak:63:thank you