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NuGunner
08-30-2008, 6:53 PM
Just watching the final shoot out scene and I"m wondering what kind of gun Sonnie has. It looks to me like a 556 w/a different buttstock. anyone have info on this?

virulosity
08-30-2008, 6:54 PM
Its a sig 551

mossy
08-30-2008, 6:59 PM
Its a sig 551

yep the coolest looking movie gun of all

NuGunner
08-30-2008, 7:00 PM
Its a sig 551

thanks

joelogic
08-30-2008, 11:10 PM
It was in Ronin as well. http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/5d/Ronin-Sig-551.jpg

Mississippi
08-30-2008, 11:14 PM
yelp its a sig 556

69Mach1
08-30-2008, 11:16 PM
I was just watching "HEAT". FAL's, Galils, CAR's, and an FNC......oh my.
The best one was the FNC. I think Michael Mann is a closet Black Rifle addict.

mossy
08-31-2008, 12:05 AM
I was just watching "HEAT". FAL's, Galils, CAR's, and an FNC......oh my.
The best one was the FNC. I think Michael Mann is a closet Black Rifle addict.

HEAT = gun porn
after watching it i needed to get a new set of pants :hide:

HCz
08-31-2008, 12:33 AM
He had some customized 1911s made for the film 'Thief' by Jim Hoag. You gotta be a firearm enthusiast to appreciate that. Couple that with excellent firearms choices and handling in Miami Vice, I bet Michael Mann is a firearm enthusiast.
and speaking of Miami vice the TV show,
3Q2Il86-38A

Mr. Joshua
08-31-2008, 2:26 PM
I think it's actually a 552, his has the really short barrel. The 551's are longer.

And no it's not a 556.

69Mach1
08-31-2008, 3:21 PM
How about "Collateral".

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This is turning out to be a Michael Mann appreciation thread.

BlackReef
08-31-2008, 3:26 PM
I love that scene from Collateral. he was fast as hell with that pistol!

X-NewYawker
08-31-2008, 3:28 PM
He had some customized 1911s made for the film 'Thief' by Jim Hoag. You gotta be a firearm enthusiast to appreciate that. Couple that with excellent firearms choices and handling in Miami Vice, I bet Michael Mann is a firearm enthusiast.
and speaking of Miami vice the TV show,
3Q2Il86-38A

That's IPSC guy Jim Zubiena doin' the double tap there.
I beat him in handguns at a celebrity shooting contest with my Briley race gun and he went nuts, "that guy can't beat me!"
Actually he shaded me by a few milli-seconds but he had won every previous contest so they disqualified him, but he was still PISSED. Anyone know where Jim is these days?

Sonny's Gun from NEW Miami Vice movie
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_2499.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_2500.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_2498.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_2508.jpg

69Mach1
08-31-2008, 4:14 PM
The Kingdom by Michael Mann had a great shootout at the end.
http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2007/09/26/17/374-5X28KINGDOM.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.JPG

jamesob
08-31-2008, 4:40 PM
for a vas aray of weapons the a-team always had different rifles.

Spiggy
08-31-2008, 4:48 PM
I think it's actually a 552, his has the really short barrel. The 551's are longer.

And no it's not a 556.
it's a 551, the handguard has 3 slots while the 552 has circular vents


By the way guys, the SG556 retains one vestigial feature from the SG550.

Look at your handguards, on the right hand side towards the breech. You'll notice a small nub protruding out. That is a locking mechanism for the original folding stock

X-NewYawker
08-31-2008, 4:55 PM
for a vas aray of weapons the a-team always had different rifles.

I love it when a tactical squad has a different rifle for each man! God forbid that need a magzine from a buddy! (FIRST BLOOD: the sheriffs had M-16s and HK-93s. At least they were all 223)

trinydex
08-31-2008, 4:57 PM
It was in Ronin as well. http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/5d/Ronin-Sig-551.jpg

where's his aimpoint/eotech?

The Kingdom by Michael Mann had a great shootout at the end.
http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2007/09/26/17/374-5X28KINGDOM.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.JPG

that's pretty much the best trigger discipline in a movie i've ever seen.

X-NewYawker
08-31-2008, 5:15 PM
The Kingdom was directed by Peter Berg who did HANCOCK, not MM.
Michael was the producer.

trashman
08-31-2008, 8:46 PM
That's IPSC guy Jim Zubiena doin' the double tap there.

[...]

Anyone know where Jim is these days?


Ran across this at the Gun Zone:

Jim Zubiena today

He blew out his right knee 0n an SWPL assault course and retired from IPSC competition in Jan*uary '89. He's active in CAS, though, as "Singin' Cowboy SASS #4963."

http://www.thegunzone.com/software/zubiena2.html

cheers,
Neill

X-NewYawker
08-31-2008, 9:17 PM
Thanks Neill

slick_711
08-31-2008, 11:18 PM
I wish you guys would stop posting that picture from The Kingdom. It makes me sick to think some *** clown of a "gun specialist" is making thousands of dollars per film to do a shoddy job of firearms consulting when most of us could do a much better job (and I don't know about you guys, but I'd do it for less).

trinydex
09-01-2008, 12:34 AM
How about "Collateral".

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This is turning out to be a Michael Mann appreciation thread.

people cite this scene a lot. i like it too.

except i watched it a few times over all these years people have been koolaiding it on the internet and i realized the guy on the right has all the time in the world to "draw" out of his g'ed up waistband holster carry, but doesn't... cuz obviously he's an actor and he acts the fumbling...

actually heard someone say on the internet that this was a perfect example of how the element of surprise is everything.... i thought to myself... hollywood is everything most people know and the internet is not real. sigh.

leelaw
09-01-2008, 12:55 AM
The Kingdom by Michael Mann had a great shootout at the end.
http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2007/09/26/17/374-5X28KINGDOM.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.JPG

With guns without rear sights. I love it! :p

Vin496
09-01-2008, 8:10 AM
I wish you guys would stop posting that picture from The Kingdom. It makes me sick to think some *** clown of a "gun specialist" is making thousands of dollars per film to do a shoddy job of firearms consulting when most of us could do a much better job (and I don't know about you guys, but I'd do it for less).

If you remember that scene takes place after they were ambushed as they were in the convoy leaving.

When their SUVs were attack and wrecked, they picked up what they found near them. Since the guns came from their escorts and from the killed bad guys, that's why the assortment of weapons.

Remember in many other Countries the Military/Police are not standardized, very common to see one soldier holding an HK/FN and another a M16.

slick_711
09-02-2008, 12:41 AM
If you remember that scene takes place after they were ambushed as they were in the convoy leaving.

When their SUVs were attack and wrecked, they picked up what they found near them. Since the guns came from their escorts and from the killed bad guys, that's why the assortment of weapons.

Remember in many other Countries the Military/Police are not standardized, very common to see one soldier holding an HK/FN and another a M16.

Never saw the film (is it worth seeing?). I don't rag on that photo because their guns are varied, although that too is stupid and would bother me, I haven't seen the film so I didn't know the setting (which you have explained thank you). The reason I rag on that photo is because the guy in the top middle is holding a rifle that has no rear sight.

BP88
09-02-2008, 12:42 AM
With guns without rear sights. I love it! :p

LOL! Nice find! Oh well, it's just a movie.

aplinker
09-02-2008, 1:35 PM
It's not just a DT, it's a mozambique.

It's famous as one of the first truly realistic displays of firearms prowess.

The scene from Collateral is just an extension... 20 years later, to put it in perspective.

That scene is so ahead of its time.

That's IPSC guy Jim Zubiena doin' the double tap there.
I beat him in handguns at a celebrity shooting contest with my Briley race gun and he went nuts, "that guy can't beat me!"
Actually he shaded me by a few milli-seconds but he had won every previous contest so they disqualified him, but he was still PISSED. Anyone know where Jim is these days?

Sonny's Gun from NEW Miami Vice movie

sb_pete
09-02-2008, 1:54 PM
Sonny's Gun from NEW Miami Vice movie
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_2499.jpg

NEW MIAMI VICE MOVIE???? HUH? Really?
Of what do you speak XNY?

Vin496
09-02-2008, 2:26 PM
NEW MIAMI VICE MOVIE???? HUH? Really?
Of what do you speak XNY?

I think he means new as in the Miami Vice Movie(2006) not as in a new one? The 06 movie was horrible and bombed, can't imagine they would want to make a new one.

X-NewYawker
09-02-2008, 7:54 PM
I think he means new as in the Miami Vice Movie(2006) not as in a new one? The 06 movie was horrible and bombed, can't imagine they would want to make a new one.

Yeah. The one with STAR OF THE MONTH Colin Ferrell.

DedEye
09-03-2008, 12:23 AM
where's his aimpoint/eotech?



that's pretty much the best trigger discipline in a movie i've ever seen.

Where's his BUIS for that matter :p?

trinydex
09-03-2008, 12:25 AM
Where's his BUIS for that matter :p?

oh i was referring to how deniro was lookin' through his irons with both eyes open.

i didn't notice that guy didn't hvae a handle/optic until someone else pointed it out... which was lawl cuz that was some damn good trigger discipline.

DedEye
09-03-2008, 12:25 AM
How about "Collateral".

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This is turning out to be a Michael Mann appreciation thread.

I've long ago lost count of how many times I've watched this clip; it may be my single favorite scene of any film.

IllTemperedCur
09-03-2008, 9:36 AM
Breaks my heart that it's Tom Cruise in that scene.

Not a gun scene, but I love the bit in the bar with Foxx and Javier Bardem. Especially the "I'd like to offer you a discount" thing. Cracks me up.

In addition to the great EBR and pistol stuff in Mann's films (directed and produced), there's the fantastic knife and Tomahawk fighting in The Last Of The Mohicans. Mann really knows how to pull in the weapons experts (Andy McNabb trained the actors on Heat).

It's probably BS, but I remember reading somewhere on the internet that SF was using the bank shootout scene in Heat as a training film. After Kilmer does the fast combat reload of his AR, the students were told something along the lines of "that's a frickin' ACTOR. You'd better do your reloads faster that him. Or else."

X-NewYawker
09-03-2008, 9:42 AM
One of the great things about actors is that can be trained quickly.
I've seen actors who picked up their M-4s like they were dead skunks a few days later were doing tactical reloads like SF pros. By the end of the shoot, some 70,000 expended blanks later, they three actors did not want to return their ARs (and one HK-93) to the armorer.

X-NewYawker
09-03-2008, 9:43 AM
Mann and John Milius ALWAYS have their actors trained before the movie. Even people who don't know guns can tell if the person on teh screen is comfortable handing their firearm.

Hans Gruber
09-03-2008, 11:10 AM
Never saw the film (is it worth seeing?) [The Kingdom]. I don't rag on that photo because their guns are varied, although that too is stupid and would bother me, I haven't seen the film so I didn't know the setting (which you have explained thank you). The reason I rag on that photo is because the guy in the top middle is holding a rifle that has no rear sight.

I watched this movie because I caught it from the beginning and it was in HD (my principle criteria for watching any movie these days it seems). I didn't have high hopes because... well Jamie Foxx and JGar? C'mon.

It actually really surprised me. It's a bit like a Tom Clancy book. A good deal of set up and it can even be a bit plodding at times because they're not following the "Exposition|Action|Exposition|Action" formula. However it pays off very very nicely in the last 1/3 of the film I think.

The scene with Foxx, a Saudi Cop and a "retired" bomb maker had me at the edge of my seat even though it was a simple conversation in a small office.

I highly recommend it.

~KJ

P.S. In the context of the movie, it's entirely possible that optics or sights could have been busted off of the rifle.

trinydex
09-03-2008, 12:25 PM
One of the great things about actors is that can be trained quickly.
I've seen actors who picked up their M-4s like they were dead skunks a few days later were doing tactical reloads like SF pros. By the end of the shoot, some 70,000 expended blanks later, they three actors did not want to return their ARs (and one HK-93) to the armorer.

good thing in california they can get the real thing because the rich get what they want... and we don't even get to abide by the rules.

X-NewYawker
09-03-2008, 12:29 PM
They all are altered to fire blanks!

trinydex
09-03-2008, 12:35 PM
well i meant once they're off the set... they can probably get their agent to call up feinstein or baca and hit them up for a ccw or an nfa

CHS
09-03-2008, 2:47 PM
They all are altered to fire blanks!

I'm pretty sure they are still registered NFA machineguns.

Once a machinegun, always a machinegun.

Spiggy
09-03-2008, 4:27 PM
They all are altered to fire blanks!
they are still NFA controlled firearms

prop houses that specialize in automatic weapons require firearm licenses to handle BFA only machine guns.