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GMONEY
08-26-2008, 6:56 PM
Just listening to her speech and I can't believe the people who follow her... Non of her policies will help what she is actually trying to acomplish. Her and Barack are such idiots... I am no die hard McCain fan, but at least half of what he says makes sense...

pdq_wizzard
08-26-2008, 7:01 PM
ya, a helth care plan to cover everyone, how much is that going to cost?????

djbooya
08-26-2008, 7:03 PM
ya, a helth care plan to cover everyone, how much is that going to cost?????

don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

sierratangofoxtrotunion
08-26-2008, 7:03 PM
Right, Hillary, the foreclosures are Bush's fault.

sierratangofoxtrotunion
08-26-2008, 7:06 PM
don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

France.

moulton
08-26-2008, 7:06 PM
don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

yeah, if we were Norway and had a #&$@ load of oil in our backyard and a population less than 5 million people :rolleyes:

paladin4415
08-26-2008, 7:07 PM
don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

Please name one that does it well and has a tax bracket under 75%.

sierratangofoxtrotunion
08-26-2008, 7:07 PM
Oh God, she just said "think about the children."

I think I'm supposed to take a shot, right?

Bruce
08-26-2008, 7:08 PM
don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

Yeah, they have great systems. Get in line for surgery. IF you're still around when it's your turn, then you get your operation. If not, oh well.

sierratangofoxtrotunion
08-26-2008, 7:09 PM
Yeah, they have great systems. Get in line for surgery. IF you're still around when it's your turn, then you get your operation. If not, oh well.

That was my grandfather's lot, with socialized healthcare in Canada. It was going to be years for the heart surgery he needed. He died.

chris
08-26-2008, 7:10 PM
just her voice alone makes me cringe as to why so many people follow such a socialist.

dexter9659
08-26-2008, 7:13 PM
Dumocrats...

sierratangofoxtrotunion
08-26-2008, 7:14 PM
Did any of you other guys get the privilege of watching it on MSNBC and watch Keith Olberman stumbling over himself with glee at the end of the speech?

ETA: I eagerly anticipate being able to compare & contrast his responses to the speeches at the R convention.

.454
08-26-2008, 7:29 PM
Good thing she endorsed Obama without really endorsing Obama. All she said was "I believe in this and that (socialism) and if you believe too, you should vote for Obama".
Not a single time in her speech she said something like "you should vote for Obama because he is competent, or he has the right experience, or he is intelligent, will make a great commander in chief or he is ready to lead. Not a single time she praised him for anything. She was like a disciplined soldier who executes an order without showing any enthusiasm for the professional competence of her superior.
Anyone noticed that?

rkt88edmo
08-26-2008, 7:34 PM
France.

Not sure if you posted that as a positive response. I'm not an expert but I heard France's welfare system is great for french citizen's, but that many (most?) of the residents are not citizens (no pure bloodline), so they have nothing close to "universal" care.

I could be wrong - never really looked into it.

alex00
08-26-2008, 7:38 PM
Did any of you other guys get the privilege of watching it on MSNBC and watch Keith Olberman stumbling over himself with glee at the end of the speech?

ETA: I eagerly anticipate being able to compare & contrast his responses to the speeches at the R convention.

I got the ABC version with Dianne Sawyer and Charlie Gibson swinging from her n*ts. That was awful. I thought they were going to cry for a second. The whole thing made me feel like gouging my eyes out, and sticking pencils in my ears.

tankerman
08-26-2008, 7:44 PM
Wow, you guys sat through that crap?

Did the discuss the .22lr sniper?

pdq_wizzard
08-26-2008, 7:47 PM
don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

then why do the people from the north come down here to have life saving procedures?

hell our vets have better care for our pets here than the doc's up there have for the people.

Full Clip
08-26-2008, 7:48 PM
I watched the speech with my Lib wife, who was basically in tears. At the end, she said, "Isn't she inspiring?!"
My answer: "Not to me."

jamesob
08-26-2008, 7:54 PM
I watched the speech with my Lib wife, who was basically in tears. At the end, she said, "Isn't she inspiring?!"
My answer: "Not to me."she inspired me to take a crap after dinner, real moving speech for my intestines.

mecam
08-26-2008, 8:08 PM
Good thing she endorsed Obama without really endorsing Obama. All she said was "I believe in this and that (socialism) and if you believe too, you should vote for Obama".
Not a single time in her speech she said something like "you should vote for Obama because he is competent, or he has the right experience, or he is intelligent, will make a great commander in chief or he is ready to lead. Not a single time she praised him for anything. She was like a disciplined soldier who executes an order without showing any enthusiasm for the professional competence of her superior.
Anyone noticed that?

Of course she's not going to praise Obama, she's gonna want to run for Prez in 2012. ;)

jaymz
08-26-2008, 8:11 PM
All I heard her say was "we borrow money from the Chinese to buy oil from the Arabs". I turned it off as I ran from the room screaming. We could use our OWN oil if it were not for people like her!

pdq_wizzard
08-26-2008, 8:20 PM
I watched the speech with my Lib wife, who was basically in tears. At the end, she said, "Isn't she inspiring?!"
My answer: "Not to me."


she inspired me to take a crap after dinner, real moving speech for my intestines.

why do people get so wraped up in this??

Well that is how the Libs get you, they are there to help give you everything you need. that is until you need there help.

I have had a few beers tonight so I might spill to much about my self but, I have been at the bottom and when I needed help from the system I was denied, NO HELP!! I had never been in the system + I am white (this is not races but how I feel about how me and my wife were treated). so I had to pull myself up from my own boot straps.

I made it, I will never trust someone that is going to "help me" I can help myself thank you very much!!

so the bottom line is once they get people on the system they have there vote as long as they are on the system.

arib
08-26-2008, 8:47 PM
I almost vomited multiple times during her speech. Who falls for that crap???

mecam
08-26-2008, 8:49 PM
Best video I've seen of the two together. :43:

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jamesob
08-26-2008, 8:56 PM
why do people get so wraped up in this??

Well that is how the Libs get you, they are there to help give you everything you need. that is until you need there help.

I have had a few beers tonight so I might spill to much about my self but, I have been at the bottom and when I needed help from the system I was denied, NO HELP!! I had never been in the system + I am white (this is not races but how I feel about how me and my wife were treated). so I had to pull myself up from my own boot straps.

I made it, I will never trust someone that is going to "help me" I can help myself thank you very much!!

so the bottom line is once they get people on the system they have there vote as long as they are on the system. i am white also and have been at the bottom. i remember going to school carrying my lunch in a brown paper bag and my goodies inside was a miracle whip and cheese sandwich along with a little bag of cereal for dessert. i grew up poor and my mom and dad had to much pride to get on welfare or any other assistance.my dad worked hard and got better and better jobs until he had insurance for the family. his insurance came along at the right time for me to have an operation that i needed and it was a blessing. threw his hard work and persistance he provided healthcare for the family without handouts or assistance from the govn't. i provide private healthcare for my family because my work does not provide any type of insurance. sure its expensive but i have the satisfaction of knowing that im doing it on my own and other people like fellow calgunners are not spending a dime out of their pocket for my family to have insurance.

Satex
08-26-2008, 9:11 PM
don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

Everyone likes to point to the neighbor's lawn because its greener. All those countries "that manage to make it work" have to be closely examined. In Japan, doctors hardly make income. As a matter of fact, they put soda machines in the lobby to make extra income. In Thailand, if you see the doctor "too much" they call you in "to have a chat". In other countries - stand in line. In others, the coverage gets reduced every year so the govt can pay for it. In England, you aren't allowed to seek care outside the system, and if you do - you get cut out. Of course, if you never get sick, then socialized health care is awesome!

One thing I did learn that really aggravates me is the pharmaceutical industries. I just spoke to an insider and he told me that when a drug is introduced into any country but the USA, the local FDA doesn't approve the drug unless a price is negotiated with it. Since we don't have that here, we pay an outragous premium on drugs, effectively subsidizing the rest of the world. That is nonsense and we should level the playing field.

M. Sage
08-26-2008, 10:42 PM
Everyone likes to point to the neighbor's lawn because its greener. All those countries "that manage to make it work" have to be closely examined. In Japan, doctors hardly make income. As a matter of fact, they put soda machines in the lobby to make extra income. In Thailand, if you see the doctor "too much" they call you in "to have a chat". In other countries - stand in line. In others, the coverage gets reduced every year so the govt can pay for it. In England, you aren't allowed to seek care outside the system, and if you do - you get cut out. Of course, if you never get sick, then socialized health care is awesome!

The UK was recently discussing dropping people with "unhealthy lifestyles" like smokers, drinkers and fat people... and people with chronic illness... and, well, uhh.. isn't that everybody in the bloody UK!?

Foreign price controls of drugs screw us over. Drug companies have to pay for R&D somehow. We wind up footing the bill because we can afford it, and don't refuse to pay it. Thanks, Canada, UK, et. al.

Vectrexer
08-27-2008, 1:01 AM
Just listening to her speech and I can't believe the people who follow her... Non of her policies will help what she is actually trying to acomplish. Her and Barack are such idiots... I am no die hard McCain fan, but at least half of what he says makes sense...

At least she is better than this passive-aggressive **** Obama is made of. I think McCain's camp finally learned that letting Obama have enough rope to hang himself is the way to go to beat him. Every time Obama tried to put an somewhat original thought out on the floor, or tries to make a stance; he usually ends up having to backpedal from his own remarks for fear of losing his voter base. Exposing his indecision and lack of backbone is probably the best thing to show the public Obama is better suited to be looking at the a follower's butt that to be leading the pack.

I can also think of several people better than McCain that I would want. But none look to have the smarts to do anything for this election.

So for now it McCain or nothing. To bad we don't have the ability to leave the office empty for a term by voting 'No One" as the choice. But then we'd be stuck with Nancy. Not a situation I would find appealing.

So I am back to voting for the lesser of two evils, or casting my vote to the winds for a candidate who is sure to loose.

Glock22Fan
08-27-2008, 7:32 AM
don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it.

As someone who lived for fifty years in England, there are good and bad things about British medical care from the NHS (National Health Service).

For example, I wish we could take advantage of the prescription cost scheme, fixed maximum charge for any prescription, free to the elderly and other qualified people. A "season ticket" can be purchased if you need several ongoing medications which limits your charges to a reasonable quarterly or annual fee.

Emergency care is also usually pretty fast and pretty good, except that I have waited 45 minutes for an ambulance in central London.

However, routine surgery can take years on the waiting list and waiting rooms in hospitals and doctors' offices can be crowded, even with an appointment system. You need to see a specialist over something painful but not immediately life threatening? You first see your primary health care doctor who refers you to the specialist. You then wait maybe four months or more for an appointment. Then you see one of the specialist's interns. Only if you have an interesting and/or unusual condition will you see the consultant in person.

Dental care is now almost all private and expensive. You can't find a dentist willing to take on new patients under the NHS because there isn't enough in it for them. For decades, the NHS dentists that there were were encourage to pull and fill; the remuneration for crowns, bridges and less invasive or more technical work was little or nothing. Thus a lot of Brits have false teeth and massive fillings. My mouth horrifies US dentists.

I knew one of the NHS administrators once, he used to boast that for every caregiver, he had three clerks making sure that they didn't waste money. Now, does that sound reasonable? He also used to boast that it has more employees than any other employer in continental Europe except for the Red Army. Now, it probably has more than them.

10TH AMENDMENT
08-27-2008, 7:47 AM
I just gave birth in the commode this morning to an exact copy of HRC's convention speech.

Rest assured. It was appropriately filed after I pulled the flush lever on the tank.

AYEAREFIFTEEN
08-27-2008, 8:31 AM
As someone who lived for fifty years in England, there are good and bad things about British medical care from the NHS (National Health Service).

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't one of the reasons gasoline is $9.00+ a gallon in England is to help subsidize the NHS?

Thankfully I have full health and dental coverage through my company, but I'd rather pay $150 or so a month for a Blue Cross POS (point of service) than $10.00 a gallon for diesel.

MolonLabe2008
08-27-2008, 8:36 AM
Djbooya wrote:
"don't know but other countries manage to be able to do it."

With long waits and less than average care. It would be a disaster.

cleanguy46
08-27-2008, 8:44 AM
Funny comment by Uncle Ted ( Nuggent ) on an episode of Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations was when he was asked what he thought if Obama was elected to the White House and he said " It would be a target rich environment!" Wow that's funny!

Glock22Fan
08-27-2008, 9:08 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't one of the reasons gasoline is $9.00+ a gallon in England is to help subsidize the NHS?

Thankfully I have full health and dental coverage through my company, but I'd rather pay $150 or so a month for a Blue Cross POS (point of service) than $10.00 a gallon for diesel.

I was not saying that the NHS was wonderful, definitely not. It does have its good points, but it is a bloated, expensive undertaking that suffers from many drawbacks. Britain too does have many taxes, some of which undoubtedly prop up the "cradle to the grave" nanny state.

Annie Oakley
08-27-2008, 9:10 AM
I was just wondering if anyone else noticed, but did Hillary's pants suit look like it was made in hunting orange ?

AC Gould
08-27-2008, 9:22 AM
Yeah...How could you miss it against all that blue background. She probably wanted to make sure no one mis-took her for a game animal. :43:

Slayer
08-27-2008, 9:25 AM
I was just wondering if anyone else noticed, but did Hillary's pants suit look like it was made in hunting orange ?

Too bad Dick Cheney wasn't around.

domokun
08-27-2008, 10:28 AM
The only issue I have with all these "free" government provided services is that people forget it just creates bigger government and when that happens you'll have a government that is big enough to give you everything you want while on the flip side it'll be a government big enough to take from you everything you have.

Given our country's current financial situation and inability to control spending, I won't and cannot vote for Obama in good conscience at all since he will create bigger government and increase the amount the government spends on social programs that will be paid for by increases in taxes or interest paid on money borrowed from other foreign countries.

Hopi
08-27-2008, 10:30 AM
Did anyone else see Bill mouthing the words "I love you" when she was being introduced and applauded? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.....

tcrpe
08-27-2008, 12:33 PM
Please name one that does it well and has a tax bracket under 75%.

Just name any one that does it well.

Sam1
08-27-2008, 1:17 PM
I wouldn't mind having a health care plan :whistling:

chris
08-27-2008, 1:23 PM
Did anyone else see Bill mouthing the words "I love you" when she was being introduced and applauded? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.....

he wasn't saying that to Hillary. he was saying to his date that was below the camera's veiw.:eek:

Hopi
08-27-2008, 1:41 PM
he wasn't saying that to Hillary. he was saying to his date that was below the camera's veiw.:eek:

Well, he looked like he was lying so I just figured it was directed at the Hilldebeast.

djbooya
08-27-2008, 2:22 PM
Just name any one that does it well.

I know at least 2 Canadians that live here in California right now and keep their Canadian citizenship just for the healthcare when they eventually return. I have to imagine if it was sooo bad that they'd have become US Citizens by now since they've been in the country for so long. Now, I don't personally have any experience with Canada, but based on the 2 people I know they don't complain. They are also in 2 different camps. One is a 30 something year old male who lives in Northern California and works in hi-tech the other is a 50 year old something female lesbian who lives in SoCal working in hi-tech. Both of which when I talked to them say how they keep their citizenship so that they have all their bennies when they eventually move back.

sierratangofoxtrotunion
08-27-2008, 2:29 PM
I know at least 2 Canadians that live here in California right now and keep their Canadian citizenship just for the healthcare when they eventually return. I have to imagine if it was sooo bad that they'd have become US Citizens by now since they've been in the country for so long. Now, I don't personally have any experience with Canada, but based on the 2 people I know they don't complain. They are also in 2 different camps. One is a 30 something year old male who lives in Northern California and works in hi-tech the other is a 50 year old something female lesbian who lives in SoCal working in hi-tech. Both of which when I talked to them say how they keep their citizenship so that they have all their bennies when they eventually move back.

Leave your native country for a better paying job, live there all your life, don't pay into the social programs from your native country, then when it's time to retire, move back and suck on the government teat. How patriotic.

djbooya
08-27-2008, 2:55 PM
Leave your native country for a better paying job, live there all your life, don't pay into the social programs from your native country, then when it's time to retire, move back and suck on the government teat. How patriotic.

I wasn't making any statement about how patriotic they were...merely answering the question about a country where government sponsored health care works. I can't imagine they'd want to move back if it didn't work. Also, they haven't been here all there lives.. The female didn't move here until her job relocated her in the late 90s (otherwise she would have stayed there), the male didn't move here until he started college at MIT. He'd probably be more then happy to move back if there were more hi-tech jobs in the area he wanted to live.