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biznacho
08-25-2008, 9:00 PM
Finally something to prevent another Colombine!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26393946
AUSTIN, Texas - Along with normal first-day jitters and excitement, students in this tiny district started school Monday wondering which teachers might be toting firearms.

"It was kind of awkward knowing that some teachers were carrying guns," said Adam Lira, 17, a senior. "I don't feel like they should be, 'cause we already have locked doors and cameras. But I didn't feel threatened by it."

Several parents said they had no idea that employees of the K-12 school were allowed to carry concealed guns on campus until recent publicity about the school board's policy, approved quietly last fall. They said they were upset that the rural community near the Oklahoma border had not been able to give input.
The superintendent said some of the school's 50 employees are carrying weapons, but he wouldn't say how many. When pressed further, he first said that revealing that number might jeopardize school security. He then added that he considered it to be personnel information and not a matter of public record.

Each employee who wants to carry a weapon first must be approved by the board based on his or her personality and reaction to a crisis, Thweatt said. In addition to training required for a state concealed weapons license, they also must be trained to handle crisis intervention and hostage situations.

State education officials said they did not know of any other Texas schools allowing teachers to carry guns. National security experts and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence said they did not know of other U.S. schools with such a policy.

School districts in some states, including Florida and Arizona, have closed loopholes that allowed guns on K-12 campuses. Utah allows concealed weapons at public universities but not at primary or secondary schools.

Special bullets, extra precautions
Thweatt said the board took extra precautions, such as requiring employees to use bullets that will minimize the risk of ricochet, similar to those used by air marshals on planes.

"I can lead them from a fire, tornado and toxic spill; we have plans in place for that. I cannot lead them from an active shooter," Thweatt said. "There are people who are going to think this is extreme, but it's easy to defend."

Judy Priz, who has a third-grade daughter, said that "everyone I've talked to thinks it's great." She said she trusts the teachers with her child's life.

"Look how long it takes the police or anybody else to get here," she told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram for a story in its Monday online edition. "If someone wants to come here and harm someone, at least we would have sort of defense."

Gov. Rick Perry has said he supports the policy because "there's a lot of incidents where that would have saved a number of lives."

The Brady Center has spoken out against the plan, saying it may not comply with Texas law, which bans firearms at schools unless carriers have given written permission. If the school board authorizes an employee to carry a gun, then that person must be a peace officer, according to the center.

"It's unfair of us to ask teachers to take on the additional job of being police officers," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign.

Cheryl Mehl, an attorney for the Harrold school district, said the statute the Brady Center cites applies only to security guards, not teachers and other employees. The district has no security guards.


While some parents said they felt their children were safer, others opposed the plan, which appears to be the first of its kind nationwide.

"As far as I'm concerned, teachers were trained to educate my children not carry a gun. Even police officers need years of training in hostage situations," said Traci McKay, whose three children are among the 110 students in the red-brick Harrold school. "I don't want my child looking over her shoulder wondering who's carrying a gun."

But Harrold Superintendent David Thweatt said the board approved the policy in an October open meeting that had been publicized. He said the decision was made after nearly two years of researching the best school security options at the school, which is just off a busy highway and 30 minutes away from the sheriff's office.

"When you outlaw guns in a certain area, the only people who follow that are law-abiding citizens, and everybody else ignores it," Thweatt said.

Make sure you vote in the poll!

AEC1
08-25-2008, 10:24 PM
I hate Texas, but I have to give them props on this one...

biznacho
08-26-2008, 6:41 PM
Whats to hate No Pelosi, No Arni sounds like Utopia!

local
08-26-2008, 6:55 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=115966&highlight=teachers


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ShadowDeviant
08-26-2008, 8:04 PM
voted
Yes. Any teacher should be allowed to decide if he/she needs to carry a gun.
62%
Yes, but only in the country's most dangerous school districts.
5.8%
No. Guns have no place in schools.
32%

Meplat
08-26-2008, 8:29 PM
I am not a teacher but if I go to a family reunion I can’t throw a rock without hitting one. It is my understanding that state law in CA is that if you have your principle’s permission any otherwise entitled employee can have a gun at school. I know more than one that does.

Please don’t call your local newspaper, radio, or TV station with this information.

Citizen Snips
08-27-2008, 2:46 AM
It's comical (also disturbing) how many people squirm and scream and howl that kids are going to get a hold of the weapon and harm everyone in the classroom. Eerily similar to the voices in opposition to CCW, claiming that the streets will flow with blood. Even though it never happens, they just won't shut up. This districts change in policy is commendable and I hope it isn't the last to do so.

BillCA
08-27-2008, 2:56 AM
The Brady Center has spoken out against the plan...

Doh! What a surprise!
The Brady Center complains any time someone is capable of defending themselves with a firearm.

"It's unfair of us to ask teachers to take on the additional job of being police officers," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign.


Helmke is an idiot. No one is asking teachers to be police officers. The only purpose of allowing teachers to be armed is if someone begins terrorizing the school.

Even police officers need years of training in hostage situations," said Traci McKay, whose three children are among the 110 students in the red-brick Harrold school. "I don't want my child looking over her shoulder wondering who's carrying a gun."

Yes, but those highly trained police officers will take more than 30 minutes to arrive at this school, according to media reports and school authorities. That's a lot of time for a killer to work his way down to any one of McKay's kids.

But I guess McKay would rather have her children witness the deaths of their friends and teachers than see a killer get anchored by their armed teacher.

:rolleyes: Twits.