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stag1500
08-24-2008, 3:01 PM
Now the fun begins...

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html

Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

by Jeff Schreiber
America's Right.com

A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."

Crazed_SS
08-24-2008, 3:13 PM
Interesting.. reminds me of when people tried to say McCain was not eligible.
http://americanchaos.wordpress.com/2008/02/02/john-mccain-is-he-even-eligible-to-be-president/

Looks like we got two illegals running for president! :rolleyes:

journeyman
08-24-2008, 3:18 PM
looks like BS last ditch crap from the good ol boys

Librarian
08-24-2008, 3:18 PM
Dupe of http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=1460231
on the 22nd - in off-topic.

CHS
08-24-2008, 3:22 PM
I hope this doesn't go anywhere.

It's not that I want Obama to have any chance at the presidency, it's that if he gets out now, we might have Hillary in his place.

Frankly, that scares me more than anything. I say, drop this case and continue to let him run.

triaged
08-24-2008, 3:53 PM
looks like BS last ditch crap from the good ol boysIf by "good ol boys" you mean Clinton supporters then yes:rolleyes:

journeyman
08-24-2008, 3:56 PM
same thing sore losers always seem like the democrats cant take defeat well just something else to break the dem party

Fate
08-24-2008, 5:26 PM
I'd rather have the Obama/Biden ticket than a Hillary one. She'd be a much more formidable candidate for McCain.

VegasND
08-24-2008, 5:50 PM
I think this one is pretty much going to go nowhere. Unless there's some real incontrovertible proof, the courts will not make BHO a non-citizen--certainly not during a campaign where he quite possibly might be elected President.

air soft rules!
08-24-2008, 6:41 PM
is philly a sanctuary city?

fullrearview
08-24-2008, 7:36 PM
maybe this is why he wants to give amnesty to all illegals!!! so he can be a citizen too!

Crazed_SS
08-24-2008, 7:40 PM
maybe this is why he wants to give amnesty to all illegals!!! so he can be a citizen too!

Wait.. are you talking about Obama or McCain?

Cause McCain supports amnesty.. he even addressed La Raza here in San Diego
http://tancredo.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1372

Librarian
08-24-2008, 8:51 PM
I think this one is pretty much going to go nowhere. Unless there's some real incontrovertible proof, the courts will not make BHO a non-citizen--certainly not during a campaign where he quite possibly might be elected President.Really. Much more entertainment value after the convention - anyone recall Thomas Eagleton?

stag1500
08-24-2008, 9:15 PM
George McGovern's VP nominee. Yes, it will be very interesting indeed to see all the dirty tricks both sides will play after the conventions.

CalNRA
08-25-2008, 1:13 AM
looks like BS last ditch crap from the good ol boys
:rolleyes:
A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

fullrearview
08-25-2008, 5:47 PM
Wait.. are you talking about Obama or McCain?

Cause McCain supports amnesty.. he even addressed La Raza here in San Diego
http://tancredo.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1372

I was talking about Obama...quite honestly I don't know much about McCain.....the media will never cover him and I don't feel like researching on my own! not to mention that my vote is meaningless in this state(libertarian/conservative).

firecaptdave
08-25-2008, 5:53 PM
Yawn...

VegasND
08-25-2008, 7:02 PM
Really. Much more entertainment value after the convention - anyone recall Thomas Eagleton?

McGovern was behind him one-thousand percent, until he dumped T.E. The courts were not involved. I can't see any judge eagerly desiring to hear this case...

As for entertainment value; I agree with you one hundred percent.:TFH:

DedEye
08-25-2008, 7:10 PM
Interesting.. reminds me of when people tried to say McCain was not eligible.
http://americanchaos.wordpress.com/2008/02/02/john-mccain-is-he-even-eligible-to-be-president/

Looks like we got two illegals running for president! :rolleyes:

+1. First thing I thought of as well.

DedEye
08-25-2008, 7:12 PM
:rolleyes:

The Goold Old Boys can be Hilary too...

tiki
08-25-2008, 7:51 PM
Didn't we have the same sort of discussion about Jerry Brown? :)

AEC1
08-25-2008, 9:26 PM
Come on guys you know this aint gonna fly. DOnt know if I want it to, no way John beats Hillary, Barack he can beat, Hillary no chance...

nothing4u
08-25-2008, 10:56 PM
Why don't they ask Obama's mother? Shouldn't she know? And if this turns out that the accusation is true then does that automatically make Hillary the second runner up?

Bugei
08-26-2008, 6:54 AM
Why don't they ask Obama's mother? Shouldn't she know? And if this turns out that the accusation is true then does that automatically make Hillary the second runner up?
I kinda doubt she's on the short list for Miss Congeniality.

RomanDad
08-26-2008, 7:10 AM
Why don't they ask Obama's mother? Shouldn't she know? And if this turns out that the accusation is true then does that automatically make Hillary the second runner up?

Both of Obama's parents are dead.

dfletcher
08-26-2008, 7:11 AM
Without respect to the veracity of the claim, I'd presume there's someone looking into this - maybe a 527 group not affiliated with the Republican campaign. And if they were to find anything substantial - and I should think it would have to be clear cut and convincing beyond doubt - then there's the matter of timing.

If a group had proof, why release the information now? So the Democrats can nominate a 2nd and have 2 full months to campaign? No, the approach should be to hold the information and time its release with a short enough period of time left that they can not recover. Of course, having the information and holding it runs the risk of allowing the Democrats to learn you have the info, they then release it themselves with a self serving spin.

If it exists, a little hand grenade like this should be used deliberately and for maximum effect; and with an eye towards unintended consequences.

stag1500
08-26-2008, 8:28 AM
Come on guys you know this aint gonna fly. DOnt know if I want it to, no way John beats Hillary, Barack he can beat, Hillary no chance...

Hillary hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning a presidiential election. She can't even win her own party's nomination. The woman pisses too many people off. I can't tell you how many liberals I've met who said they would never vote for Hillary despite their love for Bill. Personally, I think McCain would have an easier time running against Hillary than Obama.

DedEye
08-26-2008, 8:53 AM
Hillary hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning a presidiential election. She can't even win her own party's nomination. The woman pisses too many people off. I can't tell you how many liberals I've met who said they would never vote for Hillary despite their love for Bill. Personally, I think McCain would have an easier time running against Hillary than Obama.

+1. I'd never vote for Hillary.

nothing4u
08-26-2008, 9:06 AM
Both of Obama's parents are dead.

Damn I thought his mother was still alive. Guess we will find out sooner or later if the accusations are true.

Fate
08-26-2008, 9:12 AM
Both of Obama's parents are dead.

"How convenient!" ;)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n257/OrangeClouds_115/church_lady.jpg

Two Shots
08-26-2008, 9:24 AM
I swear they'll turn this into a soap show by next year. None of these people should be running a country, They have no interest in the American citizens life except to get a vote. Wheres the H.S.Truman, Eishower, JFK, FDR types of people?

stag1500
08-26-2008, 2:20 PM
I swear they'll turn this into a soap show by next year. None of these people should be running a country, They have no interest in the American citizens life except to get a vote. Wheres the H.S.Truman, Eishower, JFK, FDR types of people?

It would be so nice if we WOULDN'T have people like FDR. The closest this country has ever come to Socialism was during his presidency. It's because of his New Deal, big government programs that people across this country are now expecting the government to take care them. Not to mention that those policies kept the U.S. in the Great Depression much longer than it needed to be. :mad: