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mecam
08-22-2008, 10:03 PM
Barack Obama picks Joe Biden for VP. Say HELLO to AW BAN part 3. :puke:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

CNN confirms: Obama names Biden as Dem VP
Posted: 12:45 AM ET
(CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama has selected Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware as his running mate on the Democratic ticket for the White House, two Democratic sources told CNN.

CNN) — As his major competitors slipped out of contention late Friday night, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware emerged as the top remaining contender for the Democratic vice presidential nomination.

Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, Indiana Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana and Senator Hillary Clinton of New York — presumptive nominee Barack Obama's main primary season rival - have all been informed that they will not be the Illinois senator's running mate, sources tell CNN.

Neither Biden - a 1988 presidential candidate - nor Obama's campaign has commented on whether or not he has been asked to join the Democratic ticket. An official announcement of Obama's final pick is expected within hours.

CCWFacts
08-22-2008, 10:04 PM
That's good news. Better would have been Al Sharpton or "Rev" Jesse Jackson but Biden is good enough.

five.five-six
08-22-2008, 10:08 PM
LMAO, not to mention, Obama who is going for the hip slick younger crowd, can't even send a text message, just Pwned himself


oh yea biden = change LMAO

Mr. Beretta
08-22-2008, 10:08 PM
Another link.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92NPH8G1&show_article=1

56Chevy
08-22-2008, 10:09 PM
That's good news. Better would have been Al Sharpton or "Rev" Jesse Jackson but Biden is good enough.
Even better, maybe The National Enquirer will find out that Biden is Bin Laden in disguise.:TFH:

sorensen440
08-22-2008, 10:13 PM
I wonder who hilary is going to pick

five.five-six
08-22-2008, 10:15 PM
I wonder who hilary is going to pick


where did you find out that BHO is not eligible to run for president?

falawful
08-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Gun banning scum, both.

Difficult to imagine a more anti-gun ticket.

sorensen440
08-22-2008, 10:18 PM
where did you find out that BHO is not eligible to run for president?

???

Mr. Beretta
08-22-2008, 10:23 PM
Like two peas in a pod! Both Losers !!!

CalNRA
08-22-2008, 10:28 PM
oh yea biden = change LMAO

+1

real change right there folks.:rolleyes:

AKman
08-22-2008, 10:28 PM
Biden must give good head. I can't think of anything positive that he brings to the ticket, other than his ability to plagiarize someone else's work. I guess they think a stiff white guy will bring enough of the old white vote to make a difference. Unless McCain blows it, Obama/Biden are toast.

.454
08-22-2008, 10:31 PM
Perfect pair: a coke head and a drunkard:

NmRXH7RkCZQ&hl

;)

Cato
08-22-2008, 10:36 PM
Good choice. Joe Biden's a loser.




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Bad Voodoo
08-22-2008, 10:38 PM
Yeah, Biden's a peach. The perfect running mate for our celebrity suit. Here's a great synopsis of Biden quotes (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGRhNzJlMWY5NjdiNzhjMTRkYjMzNjYwOGJmYzNjMTY=). His public record on topics from McCain to Obama to Iraq. :oops:

Thanks Barrack!

Bad Voodoo
08-22-2008, 10:47 PM
You do really have to love how these socialists and their MSM sycophants all circle the wagons for each other though: http://newsbusters.org/node/10532

Mr. Beretta
08-22-2008, 10:49 PM
Believe me, Loser Joe ain’t going do well with the folks in the South.

Plus, Obama has dis’ed HRC so bad, he’s not going win.

Like Akman said, unless McClain blows it, Obama ain’t got a prayer.

Remember……….”B.O. Stinks”(stole it from another forum)

.454
08-22-2008, 10:53 PM
Want to know why Obama picked Biden?

"The first clean black guy" (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=463858485)

It's nice to see Obama knows how to return a favor.

:D

AEC1
08-22-2008, 11:01 PM
This is awsome. This should be the year of the Dem, given the lack of support for Bush and the economy. And the fact that McCain is not realy a strong republican IMHO. But they picked the one guy that has no chance at all.

I think that McCain got the nod cause it was his turn, he has tried so many times before and the party wanted him to get the nomination and go away as the Dems should have had it sewn up. I think that is why Bob Dole got the nod, we had to nominate some one, we were not going to beat Bill and it was a kiss good bye to the old guy.

but this time the dems nominate a moron who is unelectable, and the republicans get McCain in the white house... imagine that....

Fobjoe
08-22-2008, 11:03 PM
I really hope you are all right and this optimism is not prematurely celebrated.

five.five-six
08-22-2008, 11:10 PM
???

listen to coast 2 coast right now LOL

.454
08-22-2008, 11:11 PM
If you think with your posterior, vote

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3933/iace1970bidetom7.jpg

For a crappy America

Hope I didn't offended anybiden.

:D

five.five-six
08-22-2008, 11:12 PM
Want to know why Obama picked Biden?

"The first clean black guy" (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=463858485)

It's nice to see Obama knows how to return a favor.

:D


there is a knock knock joke in ther somewhere


but :lol:

five.five-six
08-22-2008, 11:14 PM
knock knock

who's there?

clean black man

clean black man who?

Barack Obama :p

.454
08-22-2008, 11:21 PM
"...the first articulate African-American"

Man, this Biden guy sure knows how to make a compliment to the entire American black community!

:D

tombinghamthegreat
08-22-2008, 11:25 PM
I remember hearing Biden in the debates expressing his very anti gun views. Question: What is so good about having Biden as a VP for the socialists?

AC Gould
08-22-2008, 11:30 PM
I remember hearing Biden in the debates expressing his very anti gun views. Question: What is so good about having Biden as a VP for the socialists?


Sounds like a payback to 'Ol Slow Joe' from the party for hangin' around so long.

Glock30
08-22-2008, 11:44 PM
What is with these terrorist sounding names?

Osama Biden?

GuyW
08-22-2008, 11:53 PM
Gun banning scum, both.

Difficult to imagine a more anti-gun ticket.

QFT

I can't wait to see the closet anti-gunners here on CalGuns continue to justify their vote for these unAmerican socialist bast#$%s

Lee F. Smith
08-22-2008, 11:58 PM
Joe Biden on Gun Control

Democratic Sr Senator (DE)




Keep assault weapons ban; close gun show loophole

Q: How many of you, in your adult lifetime, have had a gun in the house?

[Show of hands]: Senator Gravel, Senator Biden, Senator Dodd, Governor Richardson, Congressman Kucinich.
Q: Sen. Biden, what could the federal government have done to save those kids at Virginia Tech?

A: What they could have done is three things.
In the so-called Biden crime bill, we put 100,000 cops on the street. I've worked with law enforcement for the past 30 years, with armor-piercing bullets, waiting periods, etc. But the one thing that's clear: We should not have let the assault weapons ban lapse.
We should close this so-called gun show loophole, so you can't go into a gun show and buy a gun that you couldn't buy walking into a gun shop.
We have let the country down in the way in which we have not focused on mental illness. We should know that your kid is safe at college. If teachers determine that a child is a danger, the school should be able to take them off the campus.
Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC (http://www.ontheissues.org/2007_Dem_primary_SC.htm) Apr 26, 2007
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.


A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN397:) ; vote number 2005-219 (http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2005-219.htm) on Jul 29, 2005
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence.

Vote to pass a bill that would block certain civil lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers of firearms and ammunition, mainly those lawsuits aimed at making them liable for gun violence. In this bill, trade groups would also be protected The bill would call for the dismissal of pending lawsuits against the gun industry. The exception would be lawsuits regarding a defect in a weapon or ammunition. It also would provide a 10-year reauthorization of the assault weapons ban which is set to expire in September 2004. The bill would increase the penalties for gun-related violent or drug trafficking crimes which have not resulted in death, to a minimum of 15 years imprisonment. The bill calls for criminal background checks on all firearm transactions at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold. Exemptions would be made available for dealers selling guns from their homes as well as members-only gun swaps and meets carried out by nonprofit hunting clubs.
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S.1805/H.R.1036 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN01805:) ; vote number 2004-30 (http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2004-30.htm) on Mar 2, 2004
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows.

Require background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows.
Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)50; N)50; VP decided YES
Reference: Lautenberg Amdt #362; Bill S. 254 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:SN00254:@@@D&summ2=m&) ; vote number 1999-134 (http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_1999-134.htm) on May 20, 1999
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations.

The Hatch amdt would increase mandatory penalties for the illegal transfer or use of firearms, fund additional drug case prosecutors, and require background check on purchasers at gun shows. [A YES vote supports stricter penalties].
Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)48; N)47; NV)5
Reference: Hatch Amendment #344; Bill S. 254 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:SN00254:@@@D&summ2=m&) ; vote number 1999-118 (http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_1999-118.htm) on May 14, 1999
Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows.

Vote to table or kill a motion to require that all gun sales at gun shows be completed by federally licensed gun dealers. Also requires background checks to be completed on buyers and requires gun show promoters to register with the Treasury.
Reference: Bill S.254 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c10X:S.9999:) ; vote number 1999-111 (http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_1999-111.htm) on May 11, 1999
Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks.

Vote to table [kill] an amendment to make it unlawful for gun dealers to sell handguns without providing trigger locks. Violation of the law would result in civil penalties, such as suspension or revocation of the dealer's license, or a fine.
Reference: Bill S 2260 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:S.2260:) ; vote number 1998-216 (http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_1998-216.htm) on Jul 21, 1998
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record.

Biden scores F by NRA on pro-gun rights policies

While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.
While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.
The following ratings are based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionaire sent to all Congressional candidates; the NRA assigned a letter grade (with A+ being the highest and F being the lowest). Source: NRA website 02n-NRA (http://www.ontheissues.org/Notebook/Note_02n-NRA.htm) on Dec 31, 2003

CCWFacts
08-23-2008, 12:14 AM
I remember hearing Biden in the debates expressing his very anti gun views. Question: What is so good about having Biden as a VP for the socialists?

He makes Obama even less electable. If Obama had picked a real centrist, someone with pro-RKBA and executive credentials like Bill Richardson, it would be a much stronger ticket and might have been able to attract some confused gun owners. Remember, fighting the NRA is a losing fight, and Obama has declared war on the NRA with this pick.

Obama picked an older and less charismatic version of his own Socialist self. Oh and now it's two senators, one in his first term, the other with a long career in senate and nowhere else. Traditionally, American voters prefer to vote for someone with executive experience, such as a governor, a military officer, etc. So adding another senator to a ticket that lacks executive experience makes it weaker. Also Obama picked someone from a heavily Democratic region, so it's not like he's getting someone who could help him in the swing states (Ohio, FL, etc). Obama himself is from a solidly Democratic region so he's not bringing anyone in.

What's happening is Obama is hoping to get his own solidly socialist crew in there, even though he's weakening his own chance of winning. Good.

To put it another way, traditionally the veep is used to "balance the ticket", and Obama's ticket needed a lot of balancing, and picking Biden does nada to balance this ticket. Good!

If the Dems had wanted to win this election they would have picked a Blue Dog-ish Democrat, or a governor of a Republican state. Instead they picked a charismatic extremist with no executive experience from a solid D state, and then they added on a non-charismatic extremist with no executive experience from another D region. Stupid of them. I'm happy about it.

chris
08-23-2008, 12:30 AM
yep i think BHO would have been better off with bill richardson. he has shown with this pick that he is not the centrist he has duped millions of people into thinking he is.

i sure hope this is the bullet he shot himself in the foot with when he picked biden.

jumbopanda
08-23-2008, 12:43 AM
I don't get it. Wasn't Obama all about change, and "bringing a fresh face to Washington?" Aren't his supporters always criticizing McCain for his age? Choosing Biden seems to go against a major theme of Obama's campaign.

CCWFacts
08-23-2008, 12:43 AM
Let's put it another way: Americans have elected 43 presidents in our history, and out of those 43 presidents, 42 of them have been of the "founding group" of American. America's founding group are Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Voters trust this group to lead the country. Voters are suspicious of people who may have any foreign connections or other loyalties or are not part of this founding group. Well, Obama sure is not part of that group and obviously has foreign connections.

Obama would have done well to pick someone who projected loyalty to core American values. Obama would have done well throughout this campaign to portray himself as being as loyal as George Washington. Well, he didn't portray himself that way, probably because he isn't and can't hide it.

There's a level of background checking which is necessary for the security people who guard the president, who guard the nuclear trigger, etc. This level is called Yankee White. They need to be native-born Americans from American families with no foreign connections. The reason for this is that at a deep level, that's who we trust for leadership and for the grave responsibilities of having the finger on the nuclear trigger and everything else. Guess what, Obama himself couldn't pass Yankee White clearance. There's a deep trust issue here to do with loyalty and tribal membership. It's something that's not PC to talk about and so isn't reflected in the polls, where people are talking with pollsters, but is reflected in the privacy and anonymity of the voting booth.

Americans look for someone who has his eggs all in one basket, and whose parents and grandparents also did.

At a deep level that's why there's the "native born" requirement is there in the const. as a presidential requirement.

That's also why this Reverend Wright thing is such a festering wound, even if it has died down in the press. This guy has gone to a church for 20 years that has had a long history of anti-American lunacy.

None of this is about race. I don't think anyone would question Powell's loyalty or Americanness for example. If anything, he was too loyal to the president when he should have been asking questions. This is about Obama himself, not about Obama being black.

chris
08-23-2008, 12:46 AM
Let's put it another way: Americans have elected 43 presidents in our history, and out of those 43 presidents, 42 of them have been of the "founding group" of American. America's founding group are Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Voters trust this group to lead the country. Voters are suspicious of people who may have any foreign connections or other loyalties or are not part of this founding group. Well, Obama sure is not part of that group and obviously has foreign connections.

Obama would have done well to pick someone who projected loyalty to core American values. Obama would have done well throughout this campaign to portray himself as being as loyal as George Washington. Well, he didn't portray himself that way, probably because he isn't and can't hide it.

There's a level of background checking which is necessary for the security people who guard the president, who guard the nuclear trigger, etc. This level is called Yankee White. They need to be native-born Americans from American families with no foreign connections. The reason for this is that at a deep level, that's who we trust for leadership and for the grave responsibilities of having the finger on the nuclear trigger and everything else. Guess what, Obama himself couldn't pass Yankee White clearance. There's a deep trust issue here to do with loyalty and tribal membership. It's something that's not PC to talk about and so isn't reflected in the polls, where people are talking with pollsters, but is reflected in the privacy and anonymity of the voting booth.

Americans look for someone who has his eggs all in one basket, and whose parents and grandparents also did.

At a deep level that's why there's the "native born" requirement is there in the const. as a presidential requirement.

well said.

CCWFacts
08-23-2008, 12:56 AM
well said.

Thank you. And by the way, I myself wouldn't pass the Yankee White clearance because I have dual citizenship and other foreign connections. So yeah, I'm also out of the club of people who this country would trust carry the nuclear trigger and all that. Oh well, I know that I'm loyal and will do what I can do in other ways, even if I get to stand in the "citizens" line in more than one country. I'm like Obama in that way: not from the founding group, with foreign connections. I won't be running for president! Instead, I'll be voting, for John McCain.

CalNRA
08-23-2008, 3:20 AM
None of this is about race. I don't think anyone would question Powell's loyalty or Americanness for example. If anything, he was too loyal to the president when he should have been asking questions. This is about Obama himself, not about Obama being black.

couldn't agree more.

on the other hand a whole lot of people are voting for BO because of half of his racial composition and don't care about the issues. Sad but true.:mad:

DesertDawg
08-23-2008, 4:27 AM
Oh, well! At least we'll hear a lot of hair transplant jokes on late-night TV!

gmcal
08-23-2008, 4:50 AM
Well, that should send a clear message to Obama's gun owning supporters.

nicki
08-23-2008, 5:39 AM
Some of you feel Obama shot himself in the foot by picking Biden.

Well, I can't say he shot himself in the foot, but after the November elections Obama are over and John McCain is elected he probably will feel like shooting himself in the head after this pick.:D

Seriously, if I was looking for a VP to insure defeat, I couldn't pick anyone better than Joe Biden



Nicki

tcrpe
08-23-2008, 7:14 AM
I wonder who hilary is going to pick

Reminds me of a scene from Wizard of Oz, now stop looking behind the curtain.

AEC1
08-23-2008, 7:15 AM
Just to throw a wrench in here, the republicans always do better when we put a stong conservative, (Regan, Nixon, Gingrich and his congress) on a ticket and not try to be centrist. Our "centrist" canadates never do well... It is a fact. Lets hope that the same doest not hold true for the libs...

Pvt. Cowboy
08-23-2008, 8:06 AM
I'll weigh in:

I've never been excited about McCain and was almost getting to the point where I didn't care who wins the Presidency this time around. I couldn't believe that the GOP chose McCain.

Now I can't believe that Sen. Obama chose Biden. "Change America Can Believe In" ... With Biden? Joe Biden? Good God. I don't think I've ever seen a stupider political move from a Democrat. No way could Obama have made that choice. Either every other available Democrat said 'Hell no' to being his running mate, or he's as beholden to the DNC power brokers as any of the rest of them. Probably both.

This selection is so bad I cannot even understand the thinking that went into it. An angry old white man with bad hair plugs. He's repellent to the extreme. A consummate political insider with tons of baggage. Did Obama really need to lock up Delaware's three electoral votes? There are very few Democrats that support gun rights, but Biden is so vociferously anti-gun he's practically the only chief gun grabber left from the old dark days of Metzenbaum, Kennedy, Dodd, Feinstein, and Schumer. Biden is a classic old 'Turn Them All In' gun grabber. If there is one liberal Democrat alive that you can blame the '89 Import Ban and the '94 AWB on, it's Biden. There's no debate on that.

If you're a gun owner that cherishes your RKBA to any degree and would now even consider voting for the Obama ticket with a knife at your throat, you're both a traitor and revoltingly stupid. Biden is a chief architect of gun control at the Federal level. A thoroughly arrogant and impetuous royal ***, the likes of which have rarely been seen within the Senate chambers.

Oh mercy, who on Earth thought that Joe Biden would be a good pick as Obama's running mate? This one entirely rotten selection alone could possibly sink his campaign, Lord willing. Obama may have the last laugh, but I simply cannot believe he's this recklessly stupid.

gunsnrovers
08-23-2008, 8:12 AM
McCain ad already out on this one...

u3mN0VpKFMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3mN0VpKFMM

hawk1
08-23-2008, 8:17 AM
I love it...:D Thanks for posting

11Z50
08-23-2008, 8:29 AM
Well, all I can say is I'm very happy about BHO's choice. Now, clearly, the Dems have a straight-up socialist agenda that is made up of the best of east-coast beltway boys. BHO is now just a talking head. Just as Cheny kept Bush in line, Biden will be in place to keep BHO in check. Change? Just a different face, same game.

With a dem congress for at least another 2 years, these two clowns could really cause us gun owners some serious heartburn.

While I'm not too terribly fond of McCain, he looks a lot better now than he did yesterday. I hope he makes a wiser choice than BHO.

.454
08-23-2008, 8:46 AM
If you're a gun owner that cherishes your RKBA to any degree and would now even consider voting for the Obama ticket with a knife at your throat, you're both a traitor and revoltingly stupid.

Uh...excuse me!

Liberal gun owners are much smarter than us, conservative voters. You see - they are not narrow minded, single issue voters like we are.
I mean come on, the Second Amendment is important but it pales in comparison with the Constitutional Right To Abortion, The Amendment of Making Christianity Illegal in America, the Constitutional Right to Universal Free Healthcare or The Right To Tax The Rich Bastards Into Bankruptcy.
So you see, around here they do us a favor by joining us in the fight to regain our lost gun rights (which were lost because of how they voted in the past the first place).

My dear friends: you should consider yourselves blessed to have liberal gun owners as friends an allies in our struggle to have our Second Amendment Rights restored. Only don't ask them to help by voting against Obama and Biden (the biggest two gun grabbers who ever run for the highest office in America) because they will laugh at you and say "You know, the fight together for the common cause slogan? It was a lie. See you sucker. And by the way, see that knife sticking out your back? That was me!"

;)

hawk1
08-23-2008, 8:58 AM
Uh...excuse me!

Liberal gun owners are much smarter than us, conservative voters. You see - they are not narrow minded, single issue voters like we are.
I mean come on, the Second Amendment is important but it pales in comparison with the Constitutional Right To Abortion, The Amendment of Making Christianity Illegal in America, the Constitutional Right to Universal Free Healthcare or The Right To Tax The Rich Bastards Into Bankruptcy.



Generally from what I read of your writing, I agree. Here, however, we part ways. I think the most important right we have is the Second Amendment. Without it and the ability to own firearms, all the others will fall to the side.
Lose the right to keep and bear arms and you will have nothing for the fight, if need be, to protect the rest of the Constitution...

Edited to add: Now after re-reading your post I think you may be joking about this? Set me straight please...

.454
08-23-2008, 9:08 AM
Edited to add: Now after re-reading your post I think you may be joking about this? Set me straight please...

:D What do you think? Think hard please! :D



Anyway, here is another Biden racist slip, this time directed at Indian immigrants:

sM19YOqs7hU&hl

scobun
08-23-2008, 10:13 AM
Way to go Hussein!

BHO backed himself into a corner months ago with the long, drawn out primary. That served to really solidify Democratic support for two separate candidates. Those who liked BHO wouldn't vote for HRC. Those who liked HRC won't vote for BHO. Now, by seemingly dismissing HRC, a candidate much beloved by a HUGE contingent of the DNC, he has lost many more votes than he has gained by picking Biden. While I can't imagine a 4 year term with Hildebeast as my back seat driver, if I wanted to win in a walk I'd have picked Hillary in a heartbeat.

Now, if McCain has even 1/10th of a brain, he'll pick Sarah Palin as his running mate. She is eloquent, has executive experience, adds a great deal of youth and energy to a very drab ticket, and she is absolutely gorgeous. a McCain/Palin ticket would absolutely wipe the floor with Obama/Biden. It nullifies Obamas only real weapon, his eloquence and the fact that he "doesn't look like all those other guys on money." I'd bet that Sarah Palin would get at least 1/3 of former HRC supporters. Plus, again, she is gorgeous.

http://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg?w=225

.22guy
08-23-2008, 10:19 AM
Yeah, she is hot!

tcrpe
08-23-2008, 10:32 AM
Liberal gun owners are much smarter than us, conservative voters.

I don't know about that, but Joe Bidenpence does have a higher IQ that we do. He said so himself.

diving dave
08-23-2008, 10:35 AM
Obama is an asshat...hopefully Mcain makes a good choice, I think its all downhill for the chosen one now.

ZombieKiller
08-23-2008, 10:46 AM
???


Supposedly, there is a lawyer in Virginia who has filed a lawsuit against Obama. He says that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii- and then moved to Indonesia. Shortly after he was born though, his father divorced his mother- therefore he was never issued a passport- and his mother never swore allegiance to the United States.....So constitutionally, he is not eligible to be the president of the USA because he was not born in the United States....

.454
08-23-2008, 10:48 AM
I don't know about that, but Joe Bidenpence does have a higher IQ that we do. He said so himself.


If only Booskanky were here to tell us how Biden is good news for gunowners...

:D

Bad Voodoo
08-23-2008, 11:24 AM
Now, if McCain has even 1/10th of a brain, he'll pick Sarah Palin as his running mate. She is eloquent, has executive experience, adds a great deal of youth and energy to a very drab ticket, and she is absolutely gorgeous. a McCain/Palin ticket would absolutely wipe the floor with Obama/Biden. It nullifies Obamas only real weapon, his eloquence and the fact that he "doesn't look like all those other guys on money." I'd bet that Sarah Palin would get at least 1/3 of former HRC supporters.

The fact that it would seem to be an obvious choice to some only indicates to me that McCain won't choose Palin as his running mate. :rolleyes:

berto
08-23-2008, 11:32 AM
So much for change.

Biden is as inside as it gets. The debates on the economy should be interesting since Biden's long experience in the back pockets of the nefarious banking institutions based in Delaware will make it hard for Obama to fault them for much.

A startling poor choice for the peddler of hope and change.

scobun
08-23-2008, 11:40 AM
The fact that it would seem to be an obvious choice to some only indicates to me that McCain won't choose Palin as his running mate. :rolleyes:

While I hope you are wrong, I think you're right. Anything that involves Sarah Palin and mate should be more than enough to perk anyones interest. I'm really hoping he surprises both of us.

MKE
08-23-2008, 12:26 PM
How about a John McCain and Colin Powell ticket? Opinions?

Ford8N
08-23-2008, 12:44 PM
Joe Biden always struck me as a loose cannon. Just give him enough rope... and he will say something so stupid, even the lib media won't be able to help him. And they will do everything possible, like they do for Obama, to hide the truth. It's McCain's election to lose. I hope McCain does a smart move and pick Bill Richardson for the VP. That would really throw the liberal media in a tizzy.

.454
08-23-2008, 12:45 PM
Joe Biden, friend of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4610)
By W. Thomas Smith Jr. Saturday, August 23, 2008

http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/uploads/obama-biden.jpg

Sen. Joe Biden – Barack Obama’s eagerly anticipated running mate – should be named an honorary soldier in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). We’re all familiar with the IRGC: Iran’s unique corps of Islamist fighters who have been directly involved in deadly attacks against U.S. soldiers in Iraq – even Afghanistan – threatening our ships in the Persian Gulf; and organizing, training, equipping, funding, and providing direct operational support to Lebanon-based Hezbollah (perhaps the most dangerous terrorist army on earth). And that’s just for starters.

Also known as the Pasdaran, the IRGC is not Iran’s conventional territorial armed force, but the military force of the Khomeinist-inspired Islamic Revolution. The organization fields an army, a navy, and an air force, as well as an extranational special-operations force known as the Quds (Jerusalem) Force.

Iran, of course, is a “state sponsor of terrorism,” so-designated by the U.S. State Department back in 1984. And the IRGC and its Quds Force were both designated “supporters of terrorism” in October 2007. Though the latter two designations would not have been so had Biden had his way.

On September 26, 2007, Biden voted “Nay” to Senate Amendment 3017 (S. Amdt. 3017) – a piece of legislation amending S. Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585 – “to express the sense of the Senate regarding Iran.”

In a nutshell, S. Amdt. 3017 called on the Senate to: “Support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy … with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies.”

And most importantly – for the sake of sanctions and the unequivocal denial of any form of support to terrorists and terrorist supporters – the amendment said, “the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization … and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists.”

The text of the amendment included Congressional testimony from then-commander of Multi-National-Force Iraq Gen. David Petraeus, who said, “Iran, through the use of the Iranian Republican Guard Corps Quds Force, seeks to turn the Shiia militia extremists into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq.”

The amendment also included corroborating testimony from U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker; retired Marine Gen. James Jones, who chaired the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq; Defense Department and independent reports; the most recent National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq at that time; captured Iranian documents; even the public comments of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, who said: “The political power of the occupiers [the United States and allied foreign forces in Iraq] is collapsing rapidly. Soon we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course we are prepared to fill the gap.”

Nevertheless, when it came time to vote on the measure, Biden said, “no.” Instead, he went on – in forthcoming speeches and blustering – to threaten Pres. George Bush with impeachment if the president unilaterally attacked Iran.

According to an article in New Hampshire’s Seacoast Online: “Biden said the best deterrent to prevent pre-emptive military action in Iran is to make it clear, even if it is at the end of his final term, action will be taken against Bush to ensure ‘his legacy will be marred for all time.’”

So Biden threatens a sitting president of the United States with impeachment and the marring of his legacy “for all time.” He warns against striking Iran – a rogue terrorist-sponsoring nation that kills American soldiers, refuses to curb its nuclear development program, serves as the primary benefactor to Hezbollah, and threatens nations with annihilation. And he flatly refuses to designate the IRGC as a terrorist organization.

Obama, who didn’t participate in the vote on S. Amdt. 3017, spoke out against the amendment, calling it “excessively provocative.” But in an attempt to cover himself and appear strong, pointed to his co-sponsorship of the inconclusive Iran Counter-Proliferation Act (March 2007), which calls for the terrorist-designation of the IRGC (There were actually 72 co-sponsors of that bill). Fine. It’s one thing to propose and talk about countering terrorism. It’s quite another to actively and aggressively counter terrorism, pressing actions to conclusion, which Obama failed to do and Biden blatantly refused to do.

Still Biden’s refusal to name the IRGC a terrorist organization had its supporters: Surely, the ayatollahs backed Biden’s “nay” vote. And among Biden’s colleagues was Sen. John Edwards who – in a Nov. 2007 campaign speech – said he applauded Biden’s vote, and in the same breath referred to the IRGC as just “a government-run militia.” That was just a few days after the IRGC and its Quds Force had been designated “supporters of terrorism” by the U.S. State Department.

At any rate, S. Amdt. 3017 passed: No thanks to Biden who – by his rejection of the amendment and threats aimed at a sitting president – clearly provided indirect support to terrorists. Perhaps the word, “indirect,” is letting him off the hook



W. Thomas Smith Jr. – a former U.S. Marine rifle-squad leader and counterterrorism instructor – is a journalist, author, and military analyst whose work has appeared in the New York Post, USA TODAY, U.S. News & World Report, BusinessWeek, CBS News, and many others. Smith writes about military/defense issues and has covered conflict in the Balkans, on the West Bank, in Iraq and Lebanon. Visit him online at uswriter.com.

hawk1
08-23-2008, 1:04 PM
:D What do you think? Think hard please! :D





Yeah, I know. That's why I went back and re-read all of your words. The part I quoted sure could be taken the wrong way and out context.
All is right in the world again. :D

CCWFacts
08-23-2008, 1:44 PM
Seriously, if I was looking for a VP to insure defeat, I couldn't pick anyone better than Joe Biden

Marion Barry! "Rev" Jesse Jackson! "Rev" Al Sharpton! Louis Farrakan! Kim Jong Il! Deborah Edgerly!

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/06/19/ba-johnson20_ph_ed_0421625902_part1.jpg

BroncoBob
08-23-2008, 1:55 PM
How about a John McCain and Colin Powell ticket? Opinions?

Interesting thought....................................

berto
08-23-2008, 2:19 PM
How about a John McCain and Colin Powell ticket? Opinions?

Powell doesn't want the job. Powell reinforces McCain's edge in foreign policy but adds nothing on domestic policy or the economy. Powell does nothing to make social conservatives wet. Powell may actually be a democrat, nobody knows, and Willie Brown is convinced Powell will come out in support of Obama. Powell's a good guy but if he wanted to be on a ticket he could have run and won at the top.

1859sharps
08-23-2008, 6:13 PM
People, don't forget, it ani't over until it's over. A lot can happen between now and November.

Yes, Obama very possibly just gave away his shot at the presidency.... but the opportunity/opening he just handed us is ours to give away as well.

yellowfin
08-23-2008, 6:30 PM
It boggles me as to why anyone here or elsewhere gave the person from Illinois any credibility to begin with. Further bothersome is why this forum gives him as much free advertising.

CalNRA
08-23-2008, 6:42 PM
It boggles me as to why anyone here or elsewhere gave the person from Illinois any credibility to begin with. Further bothersome is why this forum gives him as much free advertising.

because he has many, many fans here...

chris
08-23-2008, 6:56 PM
BHO is no Abraham Lincoln. that is the only good thing that came out of Illinois.

sorensen440
08-23-2008, 6:59 PM
BHO is no Abraham Lincoln. that is the only good thing that came out of Illinois.

ahem...

http://www.springfield-armory.com/index.php

Peragro
08-23-2008, 7:19 PM
BHO is no Abraham Lincoln. that is the only good thing that came out of Illinois.

With all due respect, Abraham Lincoln was born a Kentuckian.

journeyman
08-23-2008, 7:37 PM
Let's put it another way: Americans have elected 43 presidents in our history, and out of those 43 presidents, 42 of them have been of the "founding group" of American. America's founding group are Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Voters trust this group to lead the country. Voters are suspicious of people who may have any foreign connections or other loyalties or are not part of this founding group. Well, Obama sure is not part of that group and obviously has foreign connections.

Obama would have done well to pick someone who projected loyalty to core American values. Obama would have done well throughout this campaign to portray himself as being as loyal as George Washington. Well, he didn't portray himself that way, probably because he isn't and can't hide it.

There's a level of background checking which is necessary for the security people who guard the president, who guard the nuclear trigger, etc. This level is called Yankee White. They need to be native-born Americans from American families with no foreign connections. The reason for this is that at a deep level, that's who we trust for leadership and for the grave responsibilities of having the finger on the nuclear trigger and everything else. Guess what, Obama himself couldn't pass Yankee White clearance. There's a deep trust issue here to do with loyalty and tribal membership. It's something that's not PC to talk about and so isn't reflected in the polls, where people are talking with pollsters, but is reflected in the privacy and anonymity of the voting booth.

Americans look for someone who has his eggs all in one basket, and whose parents and grandparents also did.

At a deep level that's why there's the "native born" requirement is there in the const. as a presidential requirement.

That's also why this Reverend Wright thing is such a festering wound, even if it has died down in the press. This guy has gone to a church for 20 years that has had a long history of anti-American lunacy.

None of this is about race. I don't think anyone would question Powell's loyalty or Americanness for example. If anything, he was too loyal to the president when he should have been asking questions. This is about Obama himself, not about Obama being black.

thats exactly what this is about!!!

journeyman
08-23-2008, 7:39 PM
couldn't agree more.

on the other hand a whole lot of people are voting for BO because of half of his racial composition and don't care about the issues. Sad but true.:mad:


As are those voting for McCain because of his race whats your point?
Sad but true:(

WokMaster1
08-23-2008, 8:36 PM
Let's put it another way: Americans have elected 43 presidents in our history, and out of those 43 presidents, 42 of them have been of the "founding group" of American. America's founding group are Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Voters trust this group to lead the country. Voters are suspicious of people who may have any foreign connections or other loyalties or are not part of this founding group. Well, Obama sure is not part of that group and obviously has foreign connections.

Obama would have done well to pick someone who projected loyalty to core American values. Obama would have done well throughout this campaign to portray himself as being as loyal as George Washington. Well, he didn't portray himself that way, probably because he isn't and can't hide it.

There's a level of background checking which is necessary for the security people who guard the president, who guard the nuclear trigger, etc. This level is called Yankee White. They need to be native-born Americans from American families with no foreign connections. The reason for this is that at a deep level, that's who we trust for leadership and for the grave responsibilities of having the finger on the nuclear trigger and everything else. Guess what, Obama himself couldn't pass Yankee White clearance. There's a deep trust issue here to do with loyalty and tribal membership. It's something that's not PC to talk about and so isn't reflected in the polls, where people are talking with pollsters, but is reflected in the privacy and anonymity of the voting booth.

Americans look for someone who has his eggs all in one basket, and whose parents and grandparents also did.

At a deep level that's why there's the "native born" requirement is there in the const. as a presidential requirement.

That's also why this Reverend Wright thing is such a festering wound, even if it has died down in the press. This guy has gone to a church for 20 years that has had a long history of anti-American lunacy.

None of this is about race. I don't think anyone would question Powell's loyalty or Americanness for example. If anything, he was too loyal to the president when he should have been asking questions. This is about Obama himself, not about Obama being black.

You obviously forgot the power of CHANGE, HOPE..... The force is strong & CHANGE is CUMMING!:D

ShooterMcGavin
08-23-2008, 9:12 PM
You obviously forgot the power of CHANGE, HOPE..... The force is strong & CHANGE is CUMMING!:D


Which brings up a point- anybody ever hear BHO state exactly what he plans to change and how he would plan to do it?

CalNRA
08-23-2008, 10:51 PM
As are those voting for McCain because of his race whats your point?
Sad but true:(

you mean half of the Clinton supporters?

CalNRA
08-23-2008, 10:52 PM
ah yes, Debrah "Jabba" Edgerly.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/06/19/ba-johnson20_ph_ed_0421625902_part1.jpg

11Z50
08-24-2008, 8:59 AM
Howzabout a McCain/Condoleeza Rice ticket? She has always impressed me, and I think she would make a superb VP.

journeyman
08-24-2008, 9:31 AM
you mean half of the Clinton supporters?

All of a sudden its not so cut and dry going the other way? youre a funny lad for sure!:)

Fate
08-24-2008, 10:18 AM
Howzabout a McCain/Condoleeza Rice ticket? She has always impressed me, and I think she would make a superb VP.

That would indeed be a very interesting pick. Imagine the buzz with that one. A woman. A black woman. A black woman that would actually make a good president! Imagine all those Dems speaking of "making history" with BO having to scramble for ways to tear a Rice VP nomination down.

I like it.

BillCA
08-24-2008, 10:36 AM
Meanwhile... as the DNC convention looms, Democrats are pointing to McCain having 7 houses (or is it 8?). One of the comments on this morning's news was that McCain's ownership of multiple homes means he's "out of touch" with the middle class of America, out of touch with the working poor. And he can't understand the frustrations of the average American.

Then, of course, they boast Obama is more in touch with the "little people" and he is about "Change".

Bull droppings.

How "common" is living in a $1.65M mansion? How common is it for the average American to sell one house and buy another one valued at almost four times as much? How "common" is it to buy a 10-foot section of "garden" from your neighbor (a DNC fundraiser under indictment for fraud and extortion) for over $100,000? How many Americans could afford a $1,000 per sq/ft garden?

Yeah... Obama understands your plight. Bull.

11Z50
08-24-2008, 10:36 AM
I think McCain has to be very careful about his pick...and we should pay close attention. While he appears to be in good shape, he is old, and a presidency can age a person drastically. A black female as VP would win over most of the Hillary crew and certainly a lot of blacks. The radical Sharpton and Jesse Jackson crew will dismiss Rice, but most centrist blacks will support her.

While Obama is the opposite extreme, very young and inexperienced, McCain can play on age, experience and wisdom. To shore up his ticket he needs someone clearly capable of taking over if needed. This is not such an issue with BHO.

Condoleeza has been privy to how the nation is run, and what the real-world threats are. She is a very well known figure internationally, and has dealt with just about every major leader out there as Secretary of State. She is also a proven conservative who is pro-2A.

McCain/Rice would be a very effective leadership team for the USA. Obama/Biden would be a mess from the start. It'd be change alright, but not the kind of change any of us wants.

Casual Observer
08-24-2008, 10:55 AM
More importantly...

Obama is from Ill. and Biden is from Delaware.

When was the last time a non-southern democrat ticket won the white house? JFK? FDR? Even then, they both won landslide victories because the competition was so weak.

CCWFacts
08-24-2008, 11:04 AM
Meanwhile... as the DNC convention looms, Democrats are pointing to McCain having 7 houses (or is it 8?). One of the comments on this morning's news was that McCain's ownership of multiple homes means he's "out of touch" with the middle class of America, out of touch with the working poor. And he can't understand the frustrations of the average American.

Presidential candidates aren't average Americans, not by a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain owns zero houses. They are probably owned through trusts or corporations, as is standard for people at his asset level. He couldn't give a direct answer because the real answer is probably something like, "I own holding corporations X, Y and Z which have X% interests in real estate pieces A, B and C, and there's a family trust of which I'm one of the four trustees that has controlling interest in, and my wife owns an LLC that has P and Q, but we have a pre-nup that says control is only transfered when E and F are true...." blah blah blah. If you ask anyone at that asset level "how many houses do you own", and if that person tried to answer the question, that's the kind of answer you would get. Normally people at that level would decline to answer such questions, but McCain was on the spot there.

I'm sure McCain's family (but maybe not McCain personally; there's probably some pre-nups / trusts in there) has more money than Obama, but Obama has probably had more of an elitist experience in his childhood and education.

11Z50
08-24-2008, 11:11 AM
Google Ms Rice......you'll find some very interesting facts.

I especially like the part where the Alabama dem daddy arms himself to protect his daughter....then goes republican.

Rice is from Alabama, was schooled in Colorado and PRK. Anybody that's ever heard her speak will tell you she has a way with words...In Russian, Spanish, French and German.

Casual Observer
08-24-2008, 11:14 AM
I'm sure McCain's family (but maybe not McCain personally; there's probably some pre-nups / trusts in there) has more money than Obama, but Obama has probably had more of an elitist experience in his childhood and education.

Columbia University and Harvard Law.

vs.

US Naval Academy and US Naval Flight School.

I don't know if I'd call McCain's education any less "elite" than Obama's, but it certainly couldn't be much different if you tried.

Casual Observer
08-24-2008, 11:15 AM
Google Ms Rice......you'll find some very interesting facts.

I especially like the part where the Alabama dem daddy arms himself to protect his daughter....then goes republican.

Rice is from Alabama, was schooled in Colorado and PRK. Anybody that's ever heard her speak will tell you she has a way with words...In Russian, Spanish, French and German.

x2. She's no model, but she's quite possibly one of the smartest people on the planet.

11Z50
08-24-2008, 11:18 AM
x2. She's no model, but she's quite possibly one of the smartest people on the planet.

Precisely who I want as a heartbeat away from the most powerful job in the world. Compared to Rice, Biden is a joke. He is the quintessential loser with a big L on his forehead.

BroncoBob
08-24-2008, 11:34 AM
Remember that when Obama choose Biden (just about Mr. Anti 2A himself) this will help McCain and who ever is his pick for VP with all the "Bitter Gun Owners" of this great country, north to south, east to west and everywhere between.

Anyone who owns a gun and doesn't foresee that Obama and Biden will make every chance they can to take our guns away is only fooling themselves. This whole election is about keeping our 2 Amendment Rights.

11Z50
08-24-2008, 11:59 AM
Remember that when Obama choose Biden (just about Mr. Anti 2A himself) this will help McCain and who ever is his pick for VP with all the "Bitter Gun Owners" of this great country, north to south, east to west and everywhere between.

Anyone who owns a gun and doesn't foresee that Obama and Biden will make every chance they can to take our guns away is only fooling themselves. This whole election is about keeping our 2 Amendment Rights.

Yes, it has become a one issue vote for most of us.

BroncoBob
08-24-2008, 2:40 PM
Wether you're for McCain or Obama, the main focus for this elections comes down to one major issue, which I think you'll all agree on... Our 2 Amendment Rights, nothing more, nothing less.
The economy will adjust, gas will not be $2.00 per gallon, the war on terrorism will continue no matter who sits in the White House, the Russians will continue their policies and don't forget the North Koreans and all our friends over in the sandbox.
Now that I've said all that, lets get back to the one major issue "OUR 2 AMENDMENT RIGHTS". Who ever is elected into office will no doubt add one or two Chief Justices to SCOTUS. I strongly believe that a couple of Supreme Court Justices will retire or die due to health problems within the next 4 to 8 years.
By the Heller decision being so close 5 to 4 we can not sit back and think all is OK. I now ask you, do you want someone who's anti 2A or pro 2A? Being one of the "Bitter Gun Owners" (a tag from Obama I'll proudly wear) in this country I will vote so my 2 Amendment Rights will not be taken away from me or my children.

BillCA
08-25-2008, 1:56 AM
x2. She's no model, but she's quite possibly one of the smartest people on the planet.

Condie Rice is articulate and intelligent, no one disputes that. But from people I know who have met her, she doesn't have the right qualities to be Prez... and maybe not VP. Not to put her down, but several people have told me that she's much better in a cabinet post than the leader position. Her specialty is the Soviet Union/Russia and she'd be valuable in helping to stablize that part of the world. Being a woman, however, is a negative when working with many middle-eastern countries, however.

Who might McCain pick?
Tom Tancredo?
J.C. Watts? (A black Republican former congressman)
Ron Paul? (Capture that elusive independent/libertarian set)
Ted Stevens? (R-Alaska)
Jim Gibbons (Nev. Govenor)
Fred Thompson? (Make him the pitbull for McCain?)

Who's your suggestion for McCain's Veep?

RP1911
08-25-2008, 8:44 AM
Jack Kemp

hill billy
08-25-2008, 10:26 AM
If you're a gun owner that cherishes your RKBA to any degree and would now even consider voting for the Obama ticket you're both a traitor and revoltingly stupid.
yep.
I also agree that this election is McCains' to lose. BOth BHO and Biden have enough rope to hang themselves every time someone sticks a mic in their faces.