Shipping OLL lowers out of the country

[marklouiemendoza]

Hi im from Long Beach, CA

i was wondering if i can bring some lowers i bought here in CA. to the Philippines legally?

anyone can point me to the right direction?

i am planning to go to 1st week of sept. i am thinking of including the lowers on my check in baggage.

thanks

mark

[aplinker]

This should get you started

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.asp?FAQID=1110&NoCount=1

[elSquid]

i was wondering if i can bring some lowers i bought here in CA. to the Philippines legally?

You'll need export permits. State dept, I believe.

i am planning to go to 1st week of sept. i am thinking of including the lowers on my check in baggage.


That would be illegal, so don't do it.

-- Michael

[Teletiger7]

You'll need export permits. State dept, I believe.



That would be illegal, so don't do it.

-- Michael

+1 illegal. Don't take the risk if they find it you might be detained by security.

[jacques]

I think you would really have to look into Phillipino law because you may be arrested when entering the Phillipines and that would not be a good situation either.

[dwtt]

I tried to export an AR-15 receiver to Australia in the late 1980's and the process was quite straight forward. You'll have to fill out an application for an export license from the State Dept. Usually, an entity has to pay a large fee of several thousand $ per year to become a registered exporter, but if you are doing this one time, then they waive the registration process. After waiting 2 months or so, you'll get the export license since the Philippines isn't a prohibited country.
The really hard part is getting permission to import at the destination country by the recipient. This is where you are likely to have things fall apart, but if by some miracle the other person can get permission to import a rifle receiver, then you can just send it by US postal service with all the appropriate declarations attached.

[lakai]

Flying with firearms within the country is one thing, but flying out of the country is a whole new game. You can fly with them in your luggage as long as you follow the tsa rules, but you when you come back you better bring them back or else you'll have a lot of questioning to do. You would also need to check with the laws over there regarding firearms.

You might want to start by going here.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_999.html (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_999.html)

[marklouiemendoza]

Flying with firearms within the country is one thing, but flying out of the country is a whole new game. You can fly with them in your luggage as long as you follow the tsa rules, but you when you come back you better bring them back or else you'll have a lot of questioning to do. You would also need to check with the laws over there regarding firearms.

You might want to start by going here.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_999.html (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_999.html)



so is it too much hassle and not worth doing?

[Tony.]

so is it too much hassle and not worth doing?

That is your decision.

[nothing4u]

Why would you want to do it. You can buy one there with a happy switch.

[asymmetricalwarfar3]

here's a start...

http://ffforum.50webs.com/index.html

[Teletiger7]

Why would you want to do it. You can buy one there with a happy switch.

+1 exactly. If you got the money you can buy one there. Went to a gun store in Cebu 3 years ago. First thing I see Armalite carbine and MP5. No mag restrictions there either.

Section 2. Henceforth, all citizens of the Philippines may possess firearms of ANY TYPE AND/OR CALIBER; Provided that such firearms are not classified as crew-served weapons (CSWs), light anti-tank weapons (LAWs), light machine guns (LMGs), anti-tank and anti-personnel recoilless rifles, bazookas, etc.; Provided further that such firearms are test-fired for ballistics, stenciled and properly licensed.

This is better than how we have it in Cali.

[aplinker]

+1 exactly. If you got the money you can buy one there. Went to a gun store in Cebu 3 years ago. First thing I see Armalite carbine and MP5. No mag restrictions there either.

Section 2. Henceforth, all citizens of the Philippines may possess firearms of ANY TYPE AND/OR CALIBER; Provided that such firearms are not classified as crew-served weapons (CSWs), light anti-tank weapons (LAWs), light machine guns (LMGs), anti-tank and anti-personnel recoilless rifles, bazookas, etc.; Provided further that such firearms are test-fired for ballistics, stenciled and properly licensed.

This is better than how we have it in Cali.

my god... that's better than most of America.

[BroncoBob]

Crap when I was in the Philippines back in 99 there was a gun shop in the mall with a gun range and you could rent anything you wanted. I chose a 12 gauge streetsweeper shotgun and had a blast of a time for just under $5.00 US dollars.

[tattooed_freak]

not worth the hassle bro.....just buy one there with FA switch

[CalNRA]

my god... that's better than most of America.

sure is.

are barrels restricted in the Phillipines? Otherwise I don't see the point of ballistic testing.

[LB21]

I used to do some contracting work in the PI and to the OP all I can say is DONT fly into the country with lowers in your baggage. Like others have said, its less hassle to buy over there plus it will be the real deal.

I dont think barrels are restricted there. When I was there years ago, it was a pain trying to find just the barrel so you had to buy a complete upper but you had to show a license of some sort before buying. Then I think you had to do the ballistic thing all over again. Maybe its different now?

Had a great time shooting when I was out there though. It may have been as hot as hell but the girls, beer and guns sure made it worthwhile. :)

[tyrist]

+1 exactly. If you got the money you can buy one there. Went to a gun store in Cebu 3 years ago. First thing I see Armalite carbine and MP5. No mag restrictions there either.

Section 2. Henceforth, all citizens of the Philippines may possess firearms of ANY TYPE AND/OR CALIBER; Provided that such firearms are not classified as crew-served weapons (CSWs), light anti-tank weapons (LAWs), light machine guns (LMGs), anti-tank and anti-personnel recoilless rifles, bazookas, etc.; Provided further that such firearms are test-fired for ballistics, stenciled and properly licensed.

This is better than how we have it in Cali.

guess being occupied by a foreign country and having your citizens enslaved in enough to change a governments outlook on things. Section 2 sounds about right for the maximum extent of the NFA.

[nothing4u]

Because Filipinos still remember what it was like to be invaded, occupied, and enslaved by the Japs. Unfortunately I think it would take the same kind of wake up call for America to realize again why you can't have Free Speech without a Big Stick to back it up.

[gose]

They have really started tightening up on the export regulations. Basically a lot of stuff that was fairly easy to export earlier is now classified as military equipment, adding a lot of pain to the export process (end user certificates, DSP-83s etc etc). Even a "normal" rifle like the Remmy 700 LTR Police is now considered military equipment, requiring a lot of extra hoops to export.
I have friends back in Europe desperately trying to get some AR15s exported, but they're not having much luck atm...
http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/ are the guys you want to talk to if you have any questions. They have been very nice and quick to respond when I've contacted them with various inquiries.

[elSquid]

They have really started tightening up on the export regulations. Basically a lot of stuff that was fairly easy to export earlier is now classified as military equipment, adding a lot of pain to the export process (end user certificates, DSP-83s etc etc). Even a "normal" rifle like the Remmy 700 LTR Police is now considered military equipment, requiring a lot of extra hoops to export.
I have friends back in Europe desperately trying to get some AR15s exported, but they're not having much luck atm...
http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/ are the guys you want to talk to if you have any questions. They have been very nice and quick to respond when I've contacted them with various inquiries.

Same issue in Canada: the State Dept has really clamped down on exports for a lot of AR parts and accessories. Anything marked "5.56" is pretty much a no-go:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2440787&postcount=20

-- Michael

[haodoken]

Because Filipinos still remember what it was like to be invaded, occupied, and enslaved by the Japs. Unfortunately I think it would take the same kind of wake up call for America to realize again why you can't have Free Speech without a Big Stick to back it up.

Uh yeah, try not to use racist terms like "Japs" in your posts. Personally I'm not Japanese so it does not affect me but I wouldn't want anyone to use that kinda of term to refer my heritage in that manner of disrespect. Just my $ 0.02.

[nothing4u]

Next time I'll call them Imperialist Japanese.

[trinydex]

that is the technical term.

[haodoken]

Next time I'll call them Imperialist Japanese.

Much better! Wasn't trying to flame you just letting you know some people may feel slighted when referred to like that...that's all. :)

[spex]

Yeah Kabayan! I wouldn't risk it, especially with the political instability in Mindanao. Probably be better off purchasing one there, no hassle. Have a nice vacation, and a couple of San Migs for us!