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Greg-Dawg
08-20-2008, 11:36 AM
Choose your weapon!!!

If possible, share the model type!

NotSoFast
08-20-2008, 11:52 AM
Mossberg 500 Field/Security combo. Picking it up at 5:00 from Big 5.

rrr70
08-20-2008, 2:13 PM
Mossberg 500A.
Picking it up next week from Big 5.:D

double_action
08-20-2008, 2:50 PM
Mossberg 590A1. I just don't like the location of the controls on the 870.

Black Majik
08-20-2008, 3:10 PM
Geez, more 870 votes but all the Mossy owners are speaking up.

Well, here's one for the Remington 870. :cool2:

I own 3 Wingmasters in different configurations.

Full Clip
08-20-2008, 3:19 PM
I have both. The 870 is a 1970s vintage and seems to have a more finely tuned design, while the 500 must have been dreamed up by some former Soviet tanker. Both work great. Guess which is my bird gun and which is for HD.

sorensen440
08-20-2008, 3:27 PM
you should add a choice in the poll for both

Blacky
08-20-2008, 3:29 PM
I guess I have the best of both worlds.

gmcal
08-20-2008, 3:30 PM
I own a 870 Big 5 special: 18.5" barrel, 2 shot extension, hi viz follower. I added a surefire fore end, 6 shot side saddle, and a Speedfeed IV-s stock. (I'm a sucker for tacticool goodies :D).

vinny_land
08-20-2008, 5:10 PM
get both!

BroncoBob
08-20-2008, 5:40 PM
870 is MHO

liberty08
08-20-2008, 6:04 PM
For me personally I choose the Remmy 870 for hunting and the Mossy 500 for home defense. I'm not sure why but it might be because I started out hunting with an 870.

sprintcar
08-20-2008, 6:15 PM
I have both but prefer the 870. The 870 feels better plus mine is a left hand model which is nice no powder burns on the nose.

trashman
08-20-2008, 6:19 PM
I'm about to ditch my M590A1 for a Police 870. The remington has better balance, shorter length of pull, and wood furniture :)

My issue with the Mossberg is that it's like a pair of 18x80 binoculars: really cool, but *jeezus* the thing is muzzle heavy (especially loaded). After building my first AR CAR - a heavy barrel 16", even -- I have less patience with non-fast-handling longarms.

Also - I didn't realize this when I bought my Mossy some years ago -- the Remington has an Improve Cylinder choke -- just slightly constricted -- whereas the Mossberg has a Cylinder. Accordingly rifled slugs perform a bit better.

Finally - for those of you who care about such things - I bought the Mossberg because I am a lefty, and the ambi-safety appealed to me.

But - I can use the Remy safety as-is.

--Neill

tombinghamthegreat
08-20-2008, 6:28 PM
The mossberg is more of a HD shotgun in my opinion so i would pefer my mossberg 590. The remington 870 is about as good but i did not like where the safety is. Its seems these threads pop up a every few months but both of the guns are great and the only thing it comes down to is personal preference.

savasyn
08-20-2008, 6:37 PM
Yeah, this comes up quite a bit here. Anyway, I have a 590A1 for HD and a 500A for messing around with clays.

I'd like to get an 870, mostly so I can see what all the fuss is about.

KrizB
08-20-2008, 9:57 PM
Mossberg 500
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Zantar45/mssb1.jpg

Will buy an 870 sometime in the future, kinda holding off until I find one of those $100-$150 pawnshop guns everyone just seem to trip over.:(

AEC1
08-21-2008, 8:01 AM
I have hunted with an 870 for 15 years, and love the action, just bought my 9 year old a mossy youth, nad the action is horrable, spent 2 hours with the dremmel to pollish the bolt carrier and bolt to get it to cycle half as well and my 870 did when it was new. Also the forearm has alot of slop, could this be because it is a youth model? i cant imagine they would lower the quality on a youth model, they have to know that dad is going to give it the once over, this will be the first and last mossy to make it to my gun safe...

blackberg
08-21-2008, 8:49 AM
I have a mossberg and just started dros on a winchester 1200, where does that put me? :)

-bb

Infidel
08-21-2008, 8:58 AM
I voted for the Mossy but only really because I own one and love it. IMO the remington and the mossberg are equals. My brothers and my dad are all about Remington and we have this discussion quite often, but in all honesty I could go either way. The only reason I have the mossberg is because someone gave it to my dad and he didn't want it, so I took it and ran. If I had a choice I would buy a Remingotn for myself but only because I already own the Mossberg.

Another thing to consider is that if there is an accessory made it is 100% for sure made for the remington. Mossberg probably, but Remington definitely.

Greg-Dawg
08-21-2008, 2:14 PM
you should add a choice in the poll for both

It's either one or the other. But looks like 870s are winning!

BONECUTTER
08-21-2008, 2:27 PM
870....aftermarket parts in all configurations are always available.

I always have guys comming up to me at show asking if I know anywhere that sells xxxxx for Mossberg.

Mike L
08-21-2008, 2:48 PM
I have a Winchester 1300 Defender, too bad it is not on the list. :cool:

TZL
08-21-2008, 4:58 PM
Its not really a fair poll since there is a huge price differennce

Moss 500 with 2 barrels - $250 (the popular combo)

Rem 870 basic - $350

The Rem 870 costs 40% more with only one barrel.....add in $75 for a 2nd barrel, and we are talking 70% more expensive

so the poll should be more like tricked out Mossberg 500 vs stock Rem 870

However one huge advantage for the Rem870....you can put extended tubes on it, the stupid barrel endcap design of the Moss500 prevents that.


For the same money, i'd take a remington 870, but that being said, I own a tricked out Moss 500 :D

TZL
08-21-2008, 5:11 PM
nope, there is a lot of slop in the stock Moss500 forearm, however i reduced it greatly with an aftermarket forearm with forward pistol grip and a bit of tinkering....not as tight as a Rem870 frontend, but better than stock.

....Also the forearm has alot of slop, could this be because it is a youth model? ...

BroncoBob
08-21-2008, 5:47 PM
Its not really a fair poll since there is a huge price differennce

Moss 500 with 2 barrels - $250 (the popular combo)

Rem 870 basic - $350

The Rem 870 costs 40% more with only one barrel.....add in $75 for a 2nd barrel, and we are talking 70% more expensive

so the poll should be more like tricked out Mossberg 500 vs stock Rem 870

However one huge advantage for the Rem870....you can put extended tubes on it, the stupid barrel endcap design of the Moss500 prevents that.


For the same money, i'd take a remington 870, but that being said, I own a tricked out Moss 500 :D


Sometimes you get what you pay for..... Thats my opinion but I could be wrong.

AJD
08-21-2008, 6:09 PM
I have handled and shot both and currently own a Mossberg 500a although I will add a 870 shortly in the future. I also own/have owned Winchester shotguns as well. It's really the same as the Glock vs. Sig or HK or whatever other brand gets compared to one another. They're pretty much both great shotguns that will last probably longer than you. If I had to give just a little nod for durability I would say 870. The Moss is more prone to broken extractors and the plastic safety has also been known to break. IMO, the ergos of the Moss are really great if you stick with a standard stock. Once you go to a pistol grip butstock the ergo advantage is moot. So it really depends on what you plan on doing with gun as far as mods. The Remington has a more solid feel and does not have a loose forend that wobbles like the Moss. The Remington may displace recoil a little better due to its steel receiver vs. the Moss aluminum although the Moss receiver is not a weak point because of the material. The 590 with the optional parkerized finish and Ghost ring sights is one of my favorite shotguns right out of the box.

IMO, the real difference in quality wouldn't be in the standard 870 express or Moss run of the mill guns, but in the 870 Police. The 870 Police has a much better parkerized finish and the internals have a much better fit and finish aiding in a much smoother action than either of the lower priced models. Though the 870P is hard to find new. It really comes down to personal preference. As far as mods, the most important mod you make with any shotgun would be getting the LOP on the stock match you if you don't like the factory length, IMO.

IH8CALAWS
08-21-2008, 6:25 PM
870
I have two, a Wingmaster and an Express.

TZL
08-21-2008, 7:20 PM
I'll admit the Mossberg 500 series feels cheaper than the Rem870....but it can't be that bad as the former US Military shotgun....and yes the US Military uses Rem870's also....however I'd much rather have a Benelli M4....

"Military use

Mossberg claims the Model 500 is the only shotgun to pass the US Army's Mil-Spec 3443E test, "a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot". (The updated 3443G specification requires a metal trigger guard, so only the Model 590A1 variants, which have a heavier barrel and use metal trigger groups instead of the standard Model 500's plastic trigger groups, will fit the requirements.)

While the Army and Marines officially switched to the semi-automatic M1014 Combat Shotgun in 1999, various branches of the US military are still acquiring pump shotguns. The Navy acquired several thousand Mossberg 590A1 shotguns in 2004, and the US Army placed an order in 2005 for 14,818 units at a price of just over US$316 each (The Benelli M1014 is considerably more expensive). Other varieties of pump shotgun previously used by the military, such as the Winchester 1200, have been phased out as of 2005"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500#Military_use



Sometimes you get what you pay for..... Thats my opinion but I could be wrong.

5968
08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
Here is mine. Only it is green now.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r187/5968/7a69184e.jpg

fullrearview
08-22-2008, 12:47 AM
I own a 500a and shoot an 870 weekly...


870 bad.....

being that Im a lefty and have to index the safety at all times on the 870, I dont like it. the slide release is in front of the trigger and is a pain to reach without removing my strong hand, and when I have to sling it at the range the safety gets pushed off on my belt...

870 good.....


built like a tank and easy to break down.



500a bad......

complex design and if you dont know it good luck getting it back together. slide rattles a bit, even with double bar.


500a good.....


love the thumb safety, love the slide release behind the trigger.
easy to install a rail on and cant wait to put a red dot on it for some fun!



500a>870

BP88
08-22-2008, 12:59 AM
It's all preference. I've fired both and owned a Mossy 500. Different guns but they both work everytime you pull the trigger.

ENTHUSIAST
08-22-2008, 5:03 AM
My Fav Mossys...

M590A1:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc57/ikeepitmoving/moss_51663.jpg?t=1219408834
500 Tactical Cruiser:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4589/mossbergcruiser0sh.jpg

Remington has NOTHING on MOSSBERG IMHO...



Original Prototype for the model 870:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc57/ikeepitmoving/elmer-fudd2.gif?t=1219409254
(Tester Credit: Elmer J. Fudd)

...unless you are hunting wascally wabbits! :D

What Just Happened?
08-22-2008, 6:42 AM
I like my Mossberg 500. Tho' the fact that I shoot long guns southpawed might have something to do with that.

ZombieKiller
08-22-2008, 6:53 AM
870.....I have the Wilson Border Patrol and love it.....but I also want to add a 590a1 to the collection.

Bongos
08-22-2008, 7:41 AM
If you compare the cost of the 590A1, it would be comparable in cost to the Rem 870. The nice things about a Rem is it's very well made and designed, if you get the Police model, all the internal parts are forged not MIM. You can't go wrong with either, personalluy I think the Moss 500 is more of a truck gun, just throw it in the back, the 870 more of a HD/Hunter... the 870 police/590A1 nice overall representative of both Mfg...

That said, for my HD, I have a 870 Police Magnum and an 11-87 Police :43:
I switch from a 590A1 due to the shotgun being a tad too long, not good for going around cornors in your Home:D

PorkLover
08-22-2008, 8:16 AM
for the money....Mossberg.......both are solid in my opinion......

hybridatsun350
08-22-2008, 9:42 AM
I really like both shotguns, but the safety location on the 870 just kills me so I have to vote Mossberg on this one.

vinny_land
08-22-2008, 10:00 AM
It all comes down to personal preference. IMO the mossberg 500 is better suited for a regular buttstock because of safety and slide release. The remington 870 is better suited for pistol grip applications. Both shotguns in their basic form are good solid shotguns that serve a purpose. You really cant go wrong with one of them.

mic214
08-22-2008, 6:15 PM
Being a lefty, I find that the Mossbergs fit me better than the 870. I have a 590A1 and an 835 that I turned into an HD shotgun:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/DSCN0158_edited.jpg

forynot
08-22-2008, 7:21 PM
The Mossberg 500 is used by more troops in Iraq then any other shotgun!

jc_stecker
08-22-2008, 8:47 PM
Bayonet = win!

1911su16b870
08-22-2008, 9:26 PM
My 870 works. It works dirty, it works wet, it works messy, it works clean, it goes boom each and every time a shell is chambered and I squeez the boom switch :D. I :wub: my 870 :)

C_1
08-23-2008, 11:35 AM
Classic Mossberg 500/590 vs. Remington 870.

Its preference.

Remington costs a little more and is said to be of higher quality. Its not lefty friendly but works great with a pistol grip stock. Extended mag tubes are easy to install.

The Mossberg 500 has some plastic parts but the 590 replaces those with metal ones. The mag tube cannot be easily extended. The safety is on top and is good for both left and right handers.

gunsnrovers
08-24-2008, 2:24 PM
Have a 1951 870 and a mid 1970's 870. Slick, smooth, and solid.

Had a Mossberg,. Nice, but not as nice as Remington or Ithaca.

tombinghamthegreat
08-24-2008, 2:32 PM
Bayonet = win!

Yes it is useful when you run out of 9 shells and you don't have time to reload.

mossy
08-24-2008, 2:42 PM
mossberg 590 for me. dirty or not she goes bang every time i pull the trigger. and the bayonet is iceing on the cake

scrat
08-24-2008, 2:54 PM
depends on what im shooting. Trap shooting 870 hands down

ccandgc
08-24-2008, 4:15 PM
I have a new 870 home defense setup.....0 rounds thru it... :D