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BroncoBob
08-20-2008, 5:50 AM
Just saw a latest poll that has McCain ahead of Obama by 5 points.

McCain takes lead over Obama: poll By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
1 hour, 16 minutes ago



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.



McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama's experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.

The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation in Hawaii that ceded the political spotlight to McCain, who seized on Russia's invasion of Georgia to emphasize his foreign policy views.

"There is no doubt the campaign to discredit Obama is paying off for McCain right now," pollster John Zogby said. "This is a significant ebb for Obama."

McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election.

That margin reversed Obama's 4-point edge last month on the economy over McCain, an Arizona senator and former Vietnam prisoner of war who has admitted a lack of economic expertise and shows far greater interest in foreign and military policy.

McCain has been on the offensive against Obama during the last month over energy concerns, with polls showing strong majorities supporting his call for an expansion of offshore oil drilling as gasoline prices hover near $4 a gallon.

Obama had opposed new offshore drilling, but said recently he would support a limited expansion as part of a comprehensive energy program.

That was one of several recent policy shifts for Obama, as he positions himself for the general election battle. But Zogby said the changes could be taking a toll on Obama's support, particularly among Democrats and self-described liberals.

"That hairline difference between nuance and what appears to be flip-flopping is hurting him with liberal voters," Zogby said.

Obama's support among Democrats fell 9 percentage points this month to 74 percent, while McCain has the backing of 81 percent of Republicans. Support for Obama, an Illinois senator, fell 12 percentage points among liberals, with 10 percent of liberals still undecided compared to 9 percent of conservatives.

OBAMA NEEDS TO WORK ON BASE

"Conservatives were supposed to be the bigger problem for McCain," Zogby said. "Obama still has work to do on his base. At this point McCain seems to be doing a better job with his."

The dip in support for Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, cut across demographic and ideological lines. He slipped among Catholics, born-again Christians, women, independents and younger voters. He retained the support of more than 90 percent of black voters.

"There were no wild swings, there isn't one group that is radically different than last month or even two months ago. It was just a steady decline for Obama across the board," Zogby said.

Obama's support among voters between the ages of 18 and 29, which had been one of his strengths, slipped 12 percentage points to 52 percent. McCain, who will turn 72 next week, was winning 40 percent of younger voters.

"Those are not the numbers Obama needs to win," Zogby said about Americans under 30. The 47-year-old is counting on a strong turnout among young voters, a key bloc of support during his primary battle with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

It made little difference when independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr, who are both trying to add their names to state ballots.

McCain still held a 5-point edge over Obama, 44 percent to 39 percent, when all four names were included. Barr earned 3 percent and Nader 2 percent.

Most national polls have given Obama a narrow lead over McCain throughout the summer. In the Reuters/Zogby poll, Obama had a 5-point lead in June, shortly after he clinched the Democratic nomination, and an 8-point lead on McCain in May.

The telephone poll of 1,089 likely voters had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

The poll was taken as both candidates head into their nominating conventions and the announcements of their choices of vice presidential picks. The Democratic convention begins on Monday in Denver, with the Republican convention opening the next Monday, September 1, in St. Paul, Minnesota.

(Editing by Patricia Wilson and Patricia Zengerle)

RomanDad
08-20-2008, 6:14 AM
I just heard this as well.... McCain really outshined him in this weekends debate in Orange County....

The "That question is above my paygrade" not only showed another example of how evasive he is on direct questions and tries to have it all ways.... it was worded in such a way as to really highlight his lack of experience as well.... Off prompter this guy is a train wreck....

I dont agree with McCain on all of his positions all the time.... But the guy is a straight shooter. He answers direct questions directly and lets the chips fall where they may, and theres something very refreshing about that. Most politicians are wishy washy and getting them to answer questions is like trying to nail jello to a chalkboard.

Piper
08-20-2008, 6:42 AM
Is it safe to say that McCain looked far more Presidential than Obama ? I think that interview process by Rick Warren at Saddleback church really helped McCain get his message out and just might be Obama's undoing.

deleted by PC police
08-20-2008, 6:51 AM
That is hillarious. I would love nothing more than to see dem's loose this next election.

.454
08-20-2008, 6:56 AM
If Dems have any brains, they will nominate Hillary. Pray to God they won't.

;)

Sutcliffe
08-20-2008, 7:07 AM
Many more Loathe the former president. I think she has less of a chance than Obama would.

AEC1
08-20-2008, 7:26 AM
They put up two of the best against us this year, for us that is...

hawk1
08-20-2008, 7:48 AM
If Dems have any brains, they will nominate Hillary. Pray to God they won't.

;)

I hope they do. That'll rip that party apart. :)

If it happens, and she gets the nomination, her negatives are so high that it'll be a slam dunk for us on election day...;)

I have to admit, that for me, McCain isn't all that and a bag of chips. I'm more concerned that we get our kind of people on the Supreme Court.

sorensen440
08-20-2008, 7:50 AM
Im glad to see obama losing steam a bit
we have a long way to go though

BroncoBob
08-20-2008, 8:01 AM
I just heard this as well.... McCain really outshined him in this weekends debate in Orange County....

The "That question is above my paygrade" not only showed another example of how evasive he is on direct questions and tries to have it all ways.... it was worded in such a way as to really highlight his lack of experience as well.... Off prompter this guy is a train wreck....

I dont agree with McCain on all of his positions all the time.... But the guy is a straight shooter. He answers direct questions directly and lets the chips fall where they may, and theres something very refreshing about that. Most politicians are wishy washy and getting them to answer questions is like trying to nail jello to a chalkboard.

RomanDad: I'm in total agreement with you. I don't agree with McCain on a couple of positions but he is by far the best canidate for the job. The BHO statement about Paygrade was priceless.

MrLogan
08-20-2008, 8:26 AM
This is good news. I hope the gap widens even more. GOP FTW!

RomanDad
08-20-2008, 8:32 AM
This is good news. I hope the gap widens even more. GOP FTW!
I think you have to factor in a couple of other issues.

1. Republicans poll low compared to the actual votes they get by about 1-3% depending on the poll. There are some good reasons for this, the most important being Republicans are more likely to hang up on pollsters. (BTW Gallup is the MOST accurate).

2. Obama has consistently polled HIGHER than he has actually gotten in votes during the primaries. Remember he lead Hillary by 10 points in several races on the Eve of the election, and she consistently closed the gap on primary day- Sometimes making it a dead heat, sometimes she actually eclipsed him to take the win. Some have called this the "Tom Bradly Factor". I dont expect that trend to change.

DParker
08-20-2008, 9:12 AM
Really surprised that Obama is having trouble with his base.

And note that the poll was done Thursday through Saturday...before the Saddleback event. Most agree that McCain did very well there, but it is not reflected in this poll.

Neil McCauley
08-20-2008, 9:20 AM
Thank goodness, always glad to hear good news like this. I hope America wakes up and realizes that having a guy with 3 islamic names as president is a bad idea.

sorensen440
08-20-2008, 9:21 AM
Thank goodness, always glad to hear good news like this. I hope America wakes up and realizes that having a guy with 3 islamic names as president is a bad idea.

I don't think this has anything to do with his names

xrMike
08-20-2008, 9:21 AM
What have you guys got against Hope, Change, and the Hope for Change? ;)

I liked McCain's answer to the same question. Without hesitation he replied: "Conception".

I don't like his answer because I agree with it (I don't), but the fact that he took a stand and layed his answer out there, and didn't try to weasel out of the question like nobama did. That's how a prez needs to be.

MrTuffPaws
08-20-2008, 9:52 AM
What have you guys got against Hope, Change, and the Hope for Change? ;)

I liked McCain's answer to the same question. Without hesitation he replied: "Conception".

I don't like his answer because I agree with it (I don't), but the fact that he took a stand and layed his answer out there, and didn't try to weasel out of the question like nobama did. That's how a prez needs to be.

The saddle back event was targeted at evangelicals. There was only one correct answer for that question for that venue. Unlike BHO, McCain gave the correct answer, regardless of this stance on the issue. It was a loaded question for a loaded audience. Saying that McCain isn't wishy washy in a scripted event with scripted rehearsed answers is pulling the wool over your own eyes.

His past reveals that he is far from a straight shooter on this subject:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1999/08/25/MN54171.DTL&hw=mccain+roe+wade&sn=004&sc=706
``I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary,'' McCain told The Chronicle then. ``But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to (undergo) illegal and dangerous operations.''

And I can't find the direct story, but I also recall McCain during an interview asked his campaign manager what his stance on abortion was during the interview when the question was asked of him. You can't get more scripted than that.

Honestly, if either of these two win, we lose. On one side we have wet behind the ears popular bafoon, and on the other, we have an old died in the wool two faced dishonest sleaze bucket.

WokMaster1
08-20-2008, 10:02 AM
HOPE!!!!!!! NOPE!!!!!!!CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!;)

bulgron
08-20-2008, 10:13 AM
Honestly, if either of these two win, we lose. On one side we have wet behind the ears popular bafoon, and on the other, we have an old died in the wool two faced dishonest sleaze bucket.

This is probably true. Question is, which one do you want picking Supreme Court Justices over the next four years?

FortCourageArmory
08-20-2008, 10:36 AM
This is probably true. Question is, which one do you want picking Supreme Court Justices over the next four years?
The correct answer of "Neither" isn't on the ballot so I guess I'll take the old sleeze bucket.

vandal
08-20-2008, 10:48 AM
Every time I see "BHO" I think "Bolt Hold Open." Coincidentally this guy is totally "out of battery!"

nicki
08-20-2008, 10:51 AM
Well, we will have to see what happens after the Dem Convention next week.

Rumors are that Sen Joe Biden may be Obama's VP choice. If that is the case, Obama is toast.

Following the elections, I figure the Dems must have a natural suicide complex, they can't stop self sabotaging themselves.

Obama though is still a formable foe, he has a campaign funding machine and he could help out many of our opponents in close congressional and senate races.

Obama may not win in November, but he will be a powerful force for years to come. The Daley machine has gone national, so we better not get complacent.

Nicki

MrTuffPaws
08-20-2008, 11:03 AM
Every time I see "BHO" I think "Bolt Hold Open." Coincidentally this guy is totally "out of battery!"
?
Yep, you're not the only one. Wonder what would happen if BHO fired out of battery? KABAMA!

Kestryll
08-20-2008, 11:06 AM
Both of you deserve to be PUNished....

singleshotman
08-20-2008, 11:50 AM
I think Mcain is a very lucky guy, the one issue that he's all over the other fellow is National Defense-well guess what Read the News, Cold War 2 has now started,this is like winning the lottery for him.Juzz maybe i could get my old cold war job back? The place where in worked last, 90% of the business was national Defense.

AJD
08-20-2008, 4:26 PM
Rumors are that Sen Joe Biden may be Obama's VP choice. If that is the case, Obama is toast.

Following the elections, I figure the Dems must have a natural suicide complex, they can't stop self sabotaging themselves.


If that's true and Biden is his VP choice that would be about the worst VP choice any presidential hopeful has ever made. Seriously, they wouldn't even have to design new tv ads attacking Biden, they could just dig out fellow Democrat Michael Dukkacus' old ads attacking him for being a plagurist.

bg
08-20-2008, 5:07 PM
It looks like Biden might be Obama's choice for VP.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080820/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes

I can't think of a more igniting reason for gun owners
to unite against this ticket than picking Biden. He is
about as anti-gun as they come, and I recall he actually
laughed in the face of a person who asked him a
question regarding so called "AW's" either last year
or two years back..

This Obama ticket HAS to be defeated, no question
about it.

FreedomIsNotFree
08-20-2008, 5:14 PM
National polls mean little. Electoral college count in those battle ground states is what really matters. I wouldn't read too much into this.

emc002
08-20-2008, 5:16 PM
We're going to have at least 100 more polls with 100 lead changes between now and November.
To those who lean McCain's way, keep your focus and keep pushing for Obama defeat. Don't get complacent.
To thos who lean Obama's way, don't worry he'll bounce back. Heck you can even skip voting for him, no worries.

fairfaxjim
08-20-2008, 5:49 PM
I think nothing really counts until after the convention, when we have an actual ticket, and the world gets to watch Hillary's floor vote demonstrate how shattered the Democratic party actually is.

dfletcher
08-20-2008, 9:54 PM
If that's true and Biden is his VP choice that would be about the worst VP choice any presidential hopeful has ever made. Seriously, they wouldn't even have to design new tv ads attacking Biden, they could just dig out fellow Democrat Michael Dukkacus' old ads attacking him for being a plagurist.

Agree. I hope he does pick Biden, but I can't imagine why he would. The guy doesn't bring a state with him, I'd expect Delaware would go Democrat without him. The guy's run for President as often a Harold Stassen & with similar results. He's stiff and patrician and worst of all - he doesn't know he's boring. I think of him as the old fart who chats up a young girl, doesn't see her eyes rolling as in "will this geezer just leave me alone?"

First sign Biden's the VP pick - Neal Kinnock starts writing new speeches .......

savs2k
08-21-2008, 4:15 AM
im not very much into politics but mccain is pro gun correct? if so if he wins would we get any changes here in cali with gun laws?

Pred@tor
08-21-2008, 5:14 AM
Either way we are screwed 08' No McCain not progun as you would think hes funded by George Soros but compared to Obama whom I think is our next president is maybe more progun. Its always been a change in the party over the years the republicans have had their time and now its time for the democrats. Personally I am not even gonna vote because of the poor choices. Its like the choice between a turn sandwich and a douche.

BroncoBob
08-21-2008, 8:38 AM
Either way we are screwed 08' No McCain not progun as you would think hes funded by George Soros but compared to Obama whom I think is our next president is maybe more progun. Its always been a change in the party over the years the republicans have had their time and now its time for the democrats. Personally I am not even gonna vote because of the poor choices. Its like the choice between a turn sandwich and a douche.

Sad to hear you're not going to vote. Hope not too many more gun owners have that attitude; we'll all be screwed.

:fud:

MrLogan
08-21-2008, 8:42 AM
Either way we are screwed 08' No McCain not progun as you would think hes funded by George Soros but compared to Obama whom I think is our next president is maybe more progun. Its always been a change in the party over the years the republicans have had their time and now its time for the democrats. Personally I am not even gonna vote because of the poor choices. Its like the choice between a turn sandwich and a douche.

If you don't vote, we better not see you complain about whatever administration gets into office. If you didn't help to choose someone, then you have no right to complain.

Pred@tor
08-21-2008, 8:59 AM
Why compromise more? We are just gonna keep losing more over time... Besides we are in CA we are outnumbered by the Leftist voters. Obama will be out next president regardless if I shot myself in the foot and voted for McCain. McCain supports the Real ID act! Do you support the national ID card and what about the NAU? (north American Union) I dont think hes really touched on the NAU though... Invade Iran? Thats insane with the shape the economy is in! My lord but we already have spec ops over there now. Now this **** going on with Russia going back to their old ways. WW3 is coming soon my friends.

Glock22Fan
08-21-2008, 9:08 AM
McCain's got his faults (age not being the least of these) but any gun owner who doesn't vote for him is not welcome in my circle of friends.

Fate
08-21-2008, 9:25 AM
New bumper sticker:

OBAMA BIDEN
off more than he can chew!

:D

DSA_FAL
08-21-2008, 10:18 AM
Obama was chosen because he looks really slick and can give a great speech. However, his kryptonite is giving off the cuff answers. That's why BHO is going to get owned when he an McCain debate later in this election cycle. As much as his campaign is avoiding it, I don't think he'll be able to completely avoid debating McCain even with his cheerleaders in the mainstream media.

tombinghamthegreat
08-21-2008, 10:29 AM
This is a bit of a surprise and Obama got it easy. All he has to do is keep is answers vague, wait for McCain to say something stupid and compare McCain to Bush to win. The fact that not to long ago he had a slight lead and now he is down 5 points does not look good for the socialists. But then again this election is not over so who knows what happens.

Glock22Fan
08-21-2008, 10:53 AM
OK, I told a joke, clean but probably broke the rules for joking about politicians. So I deleted it.

Pity, it's quite funny.

John

Pred@tor
08-21-2008, 10:54 AM
McCain's got his faults (age not being the least of these) but any gun owner who doesn't vote for him is not welcome in my circle of friends.

Thats fine by me man... over something silly like that. A vote for the lesser evil is well still evil... In the end we are gonna loose slowly but surely.

Glock22Fan
08-21-2008, 11:01 AM
over something silly like that.

That's the point, I don't think it is at all silly. Not voting, on the other hand, you let evil win by default.

In the end we are gonna loose slowly but surely.

We sure would, if many people thought like you. Come to think of it, we'd 'loose' rapidly and certainly if enough people thought like you.

God save us from the apathetic.

dfletcher
08-21-2008, 11:02 AM
If you don't vote, we better not see you complain about whatever administration gets into office. If you didn't help to choose someone, then you have no right to complain.

Actually, by not voting I think a person is helping to choose someone - the "other guy", right?

Pred@tor
08-21-2008, 11:25 AM
It a way of protesting... :D

Hopi
08-21-2008, 11:26 AM
It a way of protesting... :D

like fasting and then complaining of hunger.....

Glock22Fan
08-21-2008, 11:35 AM
It a way of protesting... :D

It's an empty hollow form of protest, heard by no-one and only benefitting those you protest against.

Pred@tor
08-21-2008, 11:51 AM
I am not gonna vote now for sure since you guys make such a big deal about it. I am gonna do it just to tick people off.

Glock22Fan
08-21-2008, 12:01 PM
I am not gonna vote now for sure since you guys make such a big deal about it. I am gonna do it just to tick people off.


Wow, what a mature and responsible way of dealing with criticism!

xrMike
08-21-2008, 12:46 PM
I am not gonna vote now for sure since you guys make such a big deal about it. I am gonna do it just to tick people off.Calgunners everywhere will be losing much sleep tonight over this. :rolleyes: :p

Pred@tor
08-21-2008, 12:54 PM
Calgunners everywhere will be losing much sleep tonight over this. :rolleyes: :p

lol.... Just like I wont have a friend on the interweb over this crud...

nobs11
08-21-2008, 2:16 PM
McCain's got his faults (age not being the least of these) but any gun owner who doesn't vote for him is not welcome in my circle of friends.

What does this have to do with the topic? It is a little presumptuous of you to think that people are dying to be welcomed to your "circle of friends."

radioburning
08-21-2008, 3:24 PM
I thought polls were "b.s. from the liberal media" and all that other tinfoil nonsense. Now they're good news? Oh, BTW, neither politician is going to "loose" the election. Someone will "lose" the election.

Just sayin'...

nobs11
08-21-2008, 3:27 PM
I thought polls were "b.s. from the liberal media" and all that other tinfoil nonsense. Now they're good news?

Polls are good news only when they align with your beliefs.

Glock22Fan
08-21-2008, 3:29 PM
What does this have to do with the topic? It is a little presumptuous of you to think that people are dying to be welcomed to your "circle of friends."

It's an expression of my strength of feeling and has everything to do with the topic of McCain v. Obama and nothing to do with my presumptuousness.

radioburning
08-21-2008, 3:29 PM
Ooops, my post duped for some reason.