Have you had a negligent discharge?

[jumbopanda]

Just wondering how many Calgunners have had a ND before.

[Bobula]

None for me, thanks.

[DB2]

Negative, and I'll try my best to keep it that way.

[gcvt]

Not a single one since I got my first gun at age 13....26 years ago.

I just went through the three guns I'm taking shooting tomorrow. I must have checked each one five times, just to make sure. When you live in an apartment in San Francisco, there's people all around you all the time. An ND could be absolutely catastrophic. With that said, I'd still be just as careful if I lived alone in the middle of nowhere.

Never get complacent or careless!

I give credit to my Father and Grandfather for teaching me gun safety at a very young age. Teach 'em young.

[Cato]

No way. I respect guns for the awesome machines that they are. Personal rule of mine...never load a firearm outside of the range. My home defense pistol has a loaded magazine, but no round in the barrel. My shotgun has shells in a stock carrier, I keep my mag tube empty. I use snap caps for function checks.

[Spyder]

One time, unfamiliar gun, mistake. Lesson learned. No harm, no foul, no damage or injury or death. Muzzle was pointed in a safe direction and I fumbled the controls. I figure it was a helluva good way to pound that lesson into my head even more, seeing that either one of my parents would have kicked my rear if they knew about it.

[Full Clip]

When I was about 14. I'd removed the magazine but not unloaded my dad's M1 carbine. The round went into ground, but scared the hell out of me. In a good way.

[TimG]

I personaly have not but I feel I did contribute to one. I use to store my Glock G26 with a full magazine in the pistol but no round chambered. I handed it to my Dad who took it out of the holster then pulled the slide back to confirm there was no round chambered but when he released the slide of course it chambered one. How he didnt notice the magazine I dont know. And theres only one way to decock a Glock.....pull the trigger :eek: The round hit the bottom of my safe then the garage floor and pretty much disintegrated. I dont know which was louder, the 9mm going off in the closed garage or the ensuing chewing out from the wife. Thank God he had it pointed in a safe direction at least.

[Greg-Dawg®]

Triple, quadruple, fiftuple, sixtuple, septuple, eightuple, ninthtuple and tenthtuple times in checking that the gun's unloaded.

[sorensen440]

Yep
I was younger
It was actually pointed downrange but I still had not intended to have it fire when it went
I'm alot more careful now

[What Just Happened?]

When I'm dryfiring, I do a chamber check almost every other shot.

Because I've never had a negligent discharge and want to keep it that way.

[ibanezfoo]

The safety rules are pretty easy to remember and follow through... not sure why people these days still have negligent discharges (firearms related, that is :) )

-Bryan

[nothing4u]

If a firearm leaves my line of sight after it gets checked, it gets checked again before it goes anywhere.

[mike22ca]

Thank god no so far.

[Nodda Duma]

The safety rules are pretty easy to remember and follow through... not sure why people these days still have negligent discharges (firearms related, that is :) )

-Bryan

Because many families (and more so now than in the past) do not feel it necessary to teach their children proper firearm safety (which is where it should initially be taught), and/or do not have a firearm in the home. My in-laws are a prime example. My wife was never taught firearm safety--nor had she fired a firearm--before I met her.

-Jason

[sorensen440]

Because many families (and more so now than in the past) do not feel it necessary to teach their children proper firearm safety (which is where it should initially be taught), and/or do not have a firearm in the home. My in-laws are a prime example. My wife was never taught firearm safety--nor had she fired a firearm--before I met her.

-Jason

Even the best trained can have a nd if they handle firearms enough
They also don't have to be destructive nd's
Mine happened at the range as I was getting the scope lined up with the target

[gunsnrovers]

Define ND vs AD. That's alway a wobbler depending on who you ask. Some say there is no such thing as an AD. Where do you put mechanical failure?

[PatriotnMore]

No, and I attribute that to keeping my finger off the trigger unless I am sending hot lead down range.

[Beelzy]

Yep, I have 4 kids, so I guess that means 4 negligent discharges. :smilielol5:

[Blackwater OPS]

No, and I attribute that to keeping my finger off the trigger unless I am sending hot lead down range.

I guess you never owned a gun that required a trigger pull for de-cock or takedown.

[halifax]

Years ago I had a hang-fire that was delayed longer than I expected. Single action revolver, 44SPL, click, nothing, wait ~30 seconds, still nothing. Just as I was bringing the gun back towards me, BANG. Luckily, I still had it pointed down range. Scared the crap out of me.

[sorensen440]

Years ago I had a hang-fire that was delayed longer than I expected. Single action revolver, 44SPL, click, nothing, wait ~30 seconds, still nothing. Just as I was bringing the gun back towards me, BANG. Luckily, I still had it pointed down range. Scared the crap out of me.

Scary
Ive only had a couple of duds in my shooting experiences and they always leave me scratching my head thinking now what?

[PatriotnMore]

I guess you never owned a gun that required a trigger pull for de-cock or takedown.

I do, but I don't pull the trigger unless its un loaded and mag out.

[Can'thavenuthingood]

One.

Way back in another life while in Marine Corps boot camp shooting the M-14 at Edson Range.
It was Qual day, did the 200 yard offhand, then the 300 yard kneeling and sitting and on to the 500 yard line for prone position. I shot all my rounds and as I began to shift away from firing position my rifle found the 21st cartridge and launched it downrange.
Scare the hell out of me. Didn't get a Maggies drawers and non of the DI's or Instructors noticed.
I still shot Expert at 226.

That was first and last ND, happened in 1969 and it seems only a few days ago.

Vick

[LkPillsburyDude]

.308 through the floor at my parents house, they were gone on vacation. I had never been so scared in my life. One is enough for me, I learned a lot VERY quickly.

[Turbinator]

There are two types of gunnies in this world.. those who have had an ND, and those who will. Hey, I'm a realist. It hasn't happened to me, yet, but sooner or later, who knows?

Figure that as long as the 4 rules are followed, life should play out ok?

Turby

[sorensen440]

There are two types of gunnies in this world.. those who have had an ND, and those who will. Hey, I'm a realist. It hasn't happened to me, yet, but sooner or later, who knows?

Figure that as long as the 4 rules are followed, life should play out ok?

Turby

exactly
If you knew you would never have an ND why would you bother following all 4 rules?

[emc002]

None. I'm too paranoid & OCD.

[Blackwater OPS]

There are two types of gunnies in this world.. those who have had an ND, and those who will. Hey, I'm a realist. It hasn't happened to me, yet, but sooner or later, who knows?

Figure that as long as the 4 rules are followed, life should play out ok?

Turby

Yup.

[amurphy]

Years ago I had a hang-fire that was delayed longer than I expected. Single action revolver, 44SPL, click, nothing, wait ~30 seconds, still nothing. Just as I was bringing the gun back towards me, BANG. Luckily, I still had it pointed down range. Scared the crap out of me.

I ran and taught blackpowder rifles at my Boy Scout camp. I was teaching how to hold the rifle to your shoulder and breath aim and squeeze that trigger. Got a *POP* from the cap but no BOOM. Waited a minute then leaned the rifle against the shooting shed to wait for some downtime to pull the ball. About an hour later I went to go pick it up to pull the ball and *BOOOM* lifted the roof of the shed up and over about 4 inches and lodges the ball in the 3x3 frame. Scared me and about 80 scouts watching their scoutmasters shoot. 45 grains of FFFg. Everyone laughed and went on with the shoot.

I miss my Kentucky rifle with the doubleset trigger. Most accurate BP I have ever shot. 2" groups at 100 yards .50cal. Sold it to feed myself and put gas in the truck. Wasn't worth it. I miss that rifle. :(

[M. Sage]

I still blame the over-sensitive primer on the one I had. I still have the case somewhere around here, and the primer barely has a scratch on it!

Just the same, I'm a lot more careful now.

[gwl]

None. Thanks but no thanks. I'll pass on the ND.

[fairfaxjim]

Yup. Killed a really nice Sony TV in the process. The adrenaline rush was unbelievable too.

[ldivinag]

one time in college, i was seriously crushing on this chick and everytime i asked her out, she no.

out of the blue one day she said yes. well during the movie, one thing led to another... and well, i had an ND...


oh wait... we're talking about guns?!?



;)

[aklon]

Not for 46 years. All it took was one and the message came through loud and clear.

[CSACANNONEER]

I said "yes" since, I've had firearms go off due to mechanical failures. I would really call them ADs but, that's close enough for me.

[gwl]

one time in college, i was seriously crushing on this chick and everytime i asked her out, she no.

out of the blue one day she said yes. well during the movie, one thing led to another... and well, i had an ND...


oh wait... we're talking about guns?!?



;)

:eek:

[tattooed_freak]

well my brother had one and came close to blowing my foot off when I was 14....I had an AD....LOL

oh and no I have never had one

[4wdlego]

I have not. I like to think I am attentive enough to avoid it in my lifetime.

I am new to shooting and gun ownership. I was not exposed to any of it growing up. I did lots of reading and talking to coworkers about safety before I ever went looking for my first weapon.

[Rudolf the Red]

Summer 1991. I was a total gun n00b. My boss at a raingutter company in Eureka hands me a cocked .22 rifle loaded with a shotshell and tells me to shoot this orange he had placed on the driveway. "Ever shot a gun before?" he asks. "Nope", says me. The orange rolls away. "How do I decock this thing?" I say. "Put your thumb on the hammer and pull the trigger" he says. BANG! I shoot the ceiling in his garage. He then took it away from me.

1993. The Gun Room in Modesto. I had an FFL at the time and was buying some of the neato keen handguns in the gun magazines. I went to shoot a new Glock 21 I had just received. Pulled trigger once. Nothing. Pulled trigger twice. Nothing. I bend my elbow and twist the gun so I can see the trigger and instintively pull the trigger. BANG! I shoot the ceiling at the range. Last stall on the right. That hole is mine. The trigger safety on a Glock works!

The last incident was my wake up call. I am very safe now. :eek:

[sorensen440]

Summer 1991. I was a total gun n00b. My boss at a raingutter company in Eureka hands me a cocked .22 rifle loaded with a shotshell and tells me to shoot this orange he had placed on the driveway. "Ever shot a gun before?" he asks. "Nope", says me. The orange rolls away. "How do I decock this thing?" I say. "Put your thumb on the hammer and pull the trigger" he says. BANG! I shoot the ceiling in his garage. He then took it away from me.


I hope he didnt give you any grief on that one it was 100% his fault

[dgey]

was taking a 4 day gun class @ front site. The class was at the line shooting from 7 yards, from the holster. The instructors were yelling at everyone inducing stress. As I was drawing, my 1911 shot off a round 2 ft in front of me. The muzzle was just clear of my rig, left hand on stomach and freaking finger where it shouldn't have been, on the trigger... no one but the instructor and I noticed what happened. I was mentally freaking out... the instructor leaned over and said, the training we provide does help, you didn't shoot yourself..., most of the time it's a closer call. At the time I was at front site, they'd never had an accidental shooting of anyone... :D

another time, my cousin was over and fondling one of my 1911's. He apparently slid a loaded mag in and released the slide then took out the mag again. He then proceeded to shoot my brand new 40" wide screen TV... after the ringing stopped and I stopped yelling, I noticed that I needed to change my shorts... :eek: :p :eek:

[Wild Squid]

Kind of, I say kind of because it kinda went in the direction of downrange. I was popping in a mag not knowing there was a live one in the chamber. Had the barrel pointed 45 degree to the left but still downrange. For some reason I still don't know til this day I pulled the trigger. Immediately after I did so, I put it down and slapped myself twice across the face and left. Now every time I pick up a gun I make sure the finger is not near the trigger.

[sloguy]

i disagree with the term itsself. they are all accidental discharges. many are due to neglegence but its bs automatically calling them neglegent.

[ibanezfoo]

i disagree with the term itsself. they are all accidental discharges. many are due to neglegence but its bs automatically calling them neglegent.

I actually think its the other way.

Accident:

1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents.

Negligent:

1. guilty of or characterized by neglect, as of duty: negligent officials.
2. lazily careless; offhand: a negligent wave of his manicured hand.

Neglect:

1. to pay no attention or too little attention to; disregard or slight: The public neglected his genius for many years.
2. to be remiss in the care or treatment of: to neglect one's family; to neglect one's appearance.
3. to omit, through indifference or carelessness: to neglect to reply to an invitation.
4. to fail to carry out or perform (orders, duties, etc.): to neglect the household chores.
5. to fail to take or use: to neglect no precaution.
–noun
6. an act or instance of neglecting; disregard; negligence: The neglect of the property was shameful.
7. the fact or state of being neglected: a beauty marred by neglect.


I also don't believe in auto accidents, other than mechanical failure. Someone screws up. There is no "oopsie!" when someone gets hurt or dies.

I suppose I could go with being negligent might cause an accident by definition 1.

-Bryan

[lazuris]

Once, i was a little bit drunk, and she way, way hot.

[MrLogan]

I always fear a ND, so that makes me a bit more paranoid about following the cardinal gun safety rules. I haven't had an ND so far. Let's hope I never do.

[Max-the-Silent]

In 50+ years of gun handling, much of it as a professional as an adult, I've had two.

Neither one resulted in injury to myself (other than dignity) or any other living thing. I killed a ladder (non-record worthy) and an end table.

[Max-the-Silent]

i disagree with the term itsself. they are all accidental discharges. many are due to neglegence but its bs automatically calling them neglegent.

-100.

Any incident that involves discharging a weapon without deliberate intent is negligence.

[Blackwater OPS]

-100.

Any incident that involves discharging a weapon without deliberate intent is negligence.

I disagree with you both. If you pull the trigger and the gun goes off it's and ND, if the gun malfunctions and goes off, like with a hang fire/slam fire that is an AD.

[Pugster]

Only once and but it was pointed downrange.

[HowardW56]

Yep
I was younger
It was actually pointed downrange but I still had not intended to have it fire when it went
I'm alot more careful now

You aren't the only one that did that...

[Max-the-Silent]

I disagree with you both. If you pull the trigger and the gun goes off it's and ND, if the gun malfunctions and goes off, like with a hang fire/slam fire that is an AD.

Mechanical failure, defect or malfunction when you are firing the weapon isn't an ND, it's an AD, you are correct.

Example: you load your 1911 type on the range. The disconnector fails, the pistol had a "trigger job" done by an amatuer that removed enough of the half cock notch that the gun goes full-auto and discharges the full mag - downrange - mechanical failure and possible legal problem (in today's environment) but not an ND.

Now if you knew the pistol was "loose" and something wasn't right, and the hammer had been following the slide, that would be negligence to attempt to load and fire the weapon.

What I was referencing in my post was the typical surprising Bang! that occurs when you violate rule # 1.

[duenor]

I have a friend who recently had an ND but denies that he did it. :rolleyes: Needless to say I'm quite a bit more ginger about him when he's handling guns these days. I personally have never had one - and after I found the hole, I went to my safe and made sure all guns inside were unloaded. Outside loaded, inside unloaded. All guns are always loaded. Muzzle in safe directions. Finger off the trigger. Sure of target and what's behind it.

[762cavalier]

Had one once when I was younger. Was chambering a shotgun slug in a shotgun and as I racked the slide closed the gun went off. Finger no where near the trigger. Blew a nice 12 gauge slug through the plaster ceiling,through one of the supports, was stopped by the shingle on the roof. Scared the hell out of me and now I am a whole lot more careful.

[Xerxes]

Just wondering how many Calgunners have had a ND before.

Once, hope it was my last and I got that business over with.

When I was a junior in high school, a friend and I took our 22LR rifles out shooting by the bay.

We ran into some friends and a few older dudes. They were shooting also.

One of them had a Ruger Six and offered to let us shoot it. I deiced what the heck. He then warned me it had a hair trigger. I said OK, like in the westerns for a quicker draw. He handed it to me. I had it pointed down and cocked it for greater accuracy to shoot the plastic bottle bobbling in the bay. I very lightly put my trigger finger alongside the trigger and BLAM! That scared the hell out of me but I got lucky as there was not damage.

I handed it back to the older fellow who then said something derogatory towards me about being an idiot for shooting the ground.

He then said anyone else care to give it a shot, anyone else that knows how to handle a gun. An acquaintance I knew was there said sure why not.

He took the pistol.. I said be real careful and as I was saying it he did the exact thing I did in cocking the trigger while pointed down and slightly touching the trigger then BLAM!,......

......this time the result was different. There was lots of hollering, lots of "I shot myself, someone help me, ......holler holler scream howl,......I shot myself someone help me please....." as he danced around on one foot.

It was hilarious and we started to laugh.

This fellow finally stopped howling and hopping long enough to sit on a washed up log yanked off his shoe and socks.

It seems he shot himself right between two toes. It clipped of a bit of flesh of both. he was still hollering and cussing and got up and hopped around a bit then sat down and cussed some more then got back up and howled while hopping around and screaming his mom and dad were going to find out when he went to the hospital for treatment.

All the rest of us just laughed and laughed. I laughed so hard my belly ached.

We all joked around and said how lucky he was as a half inch over and it would have taken a toe out and to not worry as he was just a big cry baby howling and hooting over a slight flesh wound.

We all joked around and there was lots of what an idiot he was for shooting himself.

After the laughing and howling died down the fellow with the Ruger said
......anyone else want to give her a try without shooting yourself....

With that it got real quiet. We did not say anything. The mood became real serious. We all quietly said it was time to go and no thanks as we shuffled off.


That incident put the fear of god in me with regards to firearms.

Fortunately there has not been another.

[Centurion_D]

None here..

[tiko]

When I was 10, I found my Dad 1911 hidden place and played with it. Remove pounds, reload rnds... luckily no accident. But by that time, I knowed if I pull the trigger then the bullet will fly out! Things are diiferent now, I am teaching my kids about fire arms step by step.

[jacques]

I have always been really scared of something like this happening so I am really careful.

I wonder in some of these instances if the police were called?

[onikuma]

I have a friend who recently had an ND but denies that he did it. :rolleyes: Needless to say I'm quite a bit more ginger about him when he's handling guns these days. I personally have never had one - and after I found the hole, I went to my safe and made sure all guns inside were unloaded. Outside loaded, inside unloaded. All guns are always loaded. Muzzle in safe directions. Finger off the trigger. Sure of target and what's behind it.

how odd. i have this friend that is trying to pin a bullet hole and nd on me.

this is the same guy who has some 20 year old twit a couple houses down and uses guns to pick up girls and has them come to the house while i'm out of town and leaves his pistols lying around unlocked, loaded, and out in the open.

i leave for a vacation for 2 weeks, there's a new hole in the furniture, and somehow i must've been the one to do it.

[Nikola]

Never had one, but I've only been a gun owner for about a year. I live in an apartment around a lot of other apartments facing a busy street, so I'm pretty paranoid about NDs. I never chamber a round in any of my guns anywhere but the range, and I use snap caps for practice.

[Rudolf the Red]

I hope he didnt give you any grief on that one it was 100% his fault

No grief. Just shook his head in disbelief.

[Soldier415]

Define ND vs AD. That's alway a wobbler depending on who you ask. Some say there is no such thing as an AD. Where do you put mechanical failure?

If you failed to keep your booger hook off the bang switch, then it is a ND.

With modern guns there is a 99.9% certainty it wasn't mechanical failure.

[CSACANNONEER]

If you failed to keep your booger hook off the bang switch, then it is a ND.

With modern guns there is a 99.9% certainty it wasn't mechanical failure.

No. I've seen too many modern guns with mechanical failures to believe this. Right now, I own a higher end, single shot, 12g that will fire sometime between closing the action and shouldering it. (No, my finger is not on the trigger when this happens.) Anyway, the sear needs a little work and the gun is currently in pieces waiting for me to get to it. I've also got a Bushmaster Carbon 22 that was slamfireing and fireing out of battery. Those are two of the most recent guns that I've had ADs from due to mechanical failures.