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FlyingPen
02-15-2016, 12:12 PM
Already fantasizing about my next 1911. In the chase stage right now and just pondering...

keenkeen
02-15-2016, 12:13 PM
Yes.

frickitsjon
02-15-2016, 12:17 PM
Same. Would like to add one last high end 1911 to my collection as well.

I have a DW Specialist that I cant tell the diff next to a Les Baer. Yet, here I am currently looking at Les Baer and Ed Brown options :)

HopetonBrown
02-15-2016, 12:20 PM
I own a Les Baer and had an Ed Brown. Both aren't really that impressive. Save your pennies for a CQB and run it through some classes with Aegis Academy in Carlsbad.

ojisan
02-15-2016, 12:21 PM
In before the Glock fans.
All you have to do is type "1911" and they show up.

It's nice to have a genuine Colt.
However, the fit and finish of the Baer, Wilson, Nighthawk, etcetera is a cut above the Colt and certainly deserves consideration.

stormvet
02-15-2016, 12:24 PM
I'm a Glock fan and I'm here.

frickitsjon
02-15-2016, 12:26 PM
I own a Les Baer and had an Ed Brown. Both aren't really that impressive. Save your pennies for a CQB and run it through some classes with Aegis Academy in Carlsbad.

Ohh, completely forgot about the Wilsons. CQB is a great option as well, albeit a bit pricier than some Les Baers.

I have somewhat mixed emotions on Ed Brown based on the negative customer service raps many people have commented on.

HopetonBrown
02-15-2016, 12:29 PM
Ohh, completely forgot about the Wilsons. CQB is a great option as well, albeit a bit pricier than some Les Baers.

I have somewhat mixed emotions on Ed Brown based on the negative customer service raps many people have commented on.

Get a CQB or a Springfield Professional. If you shoot enough you're going to need customer service eventually. And those two companies have the best that I've experienced.

Win231
02-15-2016, 12:29 PM
I own a Les Baer and had an Ed Brown. Both aren't really that impressive. Save your pennies for a CQB and run it through some classes with Aegis Academy in Carlsbad.

Beat me to it. I've been through the "good" 1911's. Wilson was the best of them. If you're going to spend that much, might as well get the best.

They have a written accuracy guarantee of 1" at 25 yds. With my handloads, mine did 1/2 inch. And has never malfunctioned in 6,100 rounds.

stormvet
02-15-2016, 12:30 PM
Ohh, completely forgot about the Wilsons. CQB is a great option as well, albeit a bit pricier than some Les Baers.

I have somewhat mixed emotions on Ed Brown based on the negative customer service raps many people have commented on.

I own a Wilson and two Browns, my Browns are every bit as good as my Wilson. Depending on which one I'm shooting at the moment, is the one I like better.

E92335i
02-15-2016, 12:31 PM
I agree, get a Wilson. I have the CQB Light rail and it is awesome!

hatidua
02-15-2016, 12:37 PM
I sold my Colts and Ed Browns when I bought my first Springfield Professional. I ended up with five SA Pro's.

Stanze
02-15-2016, 12:52 PM
I bought a blued Colt XSE Government Model and can't find anything wrong with it to make me wish I spent more or less.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=468642&d=1451793797

HopetonBrown
02-15-2016, 12:57 PM
Springfield, Wilson, Les Baer, Nighthawk, Ed Brown, etc are all Series 70 guns. Colt XSE are Series 80. Some people avoid Series 80 guns like they avoid magazine disconnects and loaded chamber indicators.

I bought a blued Colt XSE Government Model and can't find anything wrong with it to make me wish I spent more or less.

JTROKS
02-15-2016, 1:02 PM
Les Baers are tight and will require breaking in. Ed Brown's I've handled and shot were superb, but those were old EBs. Springfields Pros are really nice and their CS is top notch. Personally I would go for the Les Baer with the 1.5" guarantee, break it in then polished up the break in marks and have it refinished hard chrome or ion bond.

I am wanting a Stock Colt XSE and go from there. It all depends on what you expect from the 1911 pistol you're buying. One thing to keep in mind is a tight tolerance 1911 is good for accuracy bragging and a nice piece to hold. Tight and battle reliable is a hard combination to find.

pklin1297
02-15-2016, 1:08 PM
I've held Ed Browns, Les Baers, Nighthawks, and Wilsons in one sitting, and Wilsons consistently "felt" good to me for whatever reason. Having shot plenty of 1911s and currently own about 6 (including one Les Baer Premier 1.5"), my Dan Wesson Valor used to shoot the most accurate in my hands, but that title goes to my own 80% build now. If you just want to consider factory offerings, for the most value, Dan Wesson is it.

robert101
02-15-2016, 1:11 PM
I would buy the Springfield Armory Loaded or Range Officer before the Colt. What you will get is a warranty for a shooter. Colt warranty is no where near the SA warranty. Period.

Stanze
02-15-2016, 1:11 PM
Springfield, Wilson, Les Baer, Nighthawk, Ed Brown, etc are all Series 70 guns. Colt XSE are Series 80. Some people avoid Series 80 guns like they avoid magazine disconnects and loaded chamber indicators.

I'm ok with the firing pin safety and try not to drop my pistol muzzle end into the ground regardless if it has one or not -- my Glocks have firing pin safeties.

I don't like mag disconnect safeties (not good for tactical and SHTF absence of a magazine situations) and obnoxious LCI (not a deal breaker if no LCI or a subtle one -- I'd rather press check and practice basic gun safety)

I'm not ok with the CA roster requirements for these "features" resulting in infringement of the 2nd. That should be up to the manufacturer and customer demand.

FlyingPen
02-15-2016, 1:59 PM
I would buy the Springfield Armory Loaded or Range Officer before the Colt. What you will get is a warranty for a shooter. Colt warranty is no where near the SA warranty. Period.

IMO, if I have to warranty a gun, it's going up for sale immediately after its returned.

HopetonBrown
02-15-2016, 2:03 PM
IMO, if I have to warranty a gun, it's going up for sale immediately after its returned.
You must not shoot very much. Parts break.

FlyingPen
02-15-2016, 2:04 PM
You must not shoot very much. Parts break.

Sure, but I can square those away without a warranty. IE springs, extractors, ejectors, etc. Something I can't fix is something I can't trust.

stormvet
02-15-2016, 2:15 PM
IMO, if I have to warranty a gun, it's going up for sale immediately after its returned.

Most guns returned for warrenty work service are for very basic, easy to fix problems. That the owner could correct himself with just a little 1911 smithing skills.
But I have found that most manufactuers will repair one of thier guns for nothing long after the stated warrenty period has expired.
Many companies, Wilson Combat for one. Have no stated warrenty period, this has more to do with attorneys then anything else. When buying a 1911 or any other gun for that matter, the manufactuers written warrenty means absolutely nothing to me. If I have a legit problem with a gun and approach the manufactuer in the correct way, I have no doubt it will be taken care of.

HopetonBrown
02-15-2016, 2:19 PM
Sure, but I can square those away without a warranty. IE springs, extractors, ejectors, etc. Something I can't fix is something I can't trust.

I've broken a blended speed chute and a fitted firing pin stop. I can't blend an extractor to the rear of the slide and checker it after I've tuned it.

XDJYo
02-15-2016, 2:39 PM
I sold my Colts and Ed Browns when I bought my first Springfield Professional. I ended up with five SA Pro's.

First in line!

Dang! You've got 5?! Very jealous.

_TomT_
02-15-2016, 3:13 PM
I sold my Colts and Ed Browns when I bought my first Springfield Professional. I ended up with five SA Pro's.

Damn that's a lot of Pros, Springfield Pros/HRTs(from the Marketplace anyways) seems to hold their value much better than other high priced 1911. Heck I've seen people wanting more than MSRP for a used one, and it sold quick!

XDJYo
02-15-2016, 3:54 PM
Damn that's a lot of Pros, Springfield Pros/HRTs(from the Marketplace anyways) seems to hold their value much better than other high priced 1911. Heck I've seen people wanting more than MSRP for a used one, and it sold quick!


Yes, due to their pedigree and that they are identical to the FBI pistols.

Springfield will release small batches to the public once their contract for the FBI has been fulfilled. It is truly a limited production of guns.

There's a few nice write ups on the pro. Need to dig out the link. EDIT: Here are the links-
http://1911enthusiast.com/showthread.php/1233-Hype-vs-Reality-The-Springfield-Professional-PC9111
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/fbi-trials-article.18333/


A step down would be the TRP. A more production oriented gun with a bit of hand fitting. EDIT: Link to the TRP
http://www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/springfield-trp-45acp/

Happy shooting and be safe.


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D1911
02-15-2016, 4:13 PM
I've got a CQB, Pro, and Brown SF. I've owned NHC and Baer also. All are nice in their own way. I've used Customer Service for Wilson and Brown and had some additional work done to the guns while they were back at their respective shops. Both instances were great, absolutely no complaints. My previous experience with NHC sucked. The CQB probably feels the best in my hand, but the SF is probably the nicest build. I also have a couple of Series 80 custom Colts (one nicely worked over by Bruce Gray), but it seems whenever I go to the range and take a 1911 (which is always), it's mainly the Pro.

L84CABO
02-15-2016, 4:23 PM
I'm not sure Colt is in the same category of the other two, unless they have a "custom shop" version of something.

You should look at Wilson and Guncrafter too btw. And the Infinity that someone posted a few days ago sure got me drooling but I think those will set you back even more than a regular Wilson. But certainly within the budget of a Supergrade.

drdanno84
02-15-2016, 4:32 PM
I own 3 les baers, with the 1.5 guarantee. If you're going to carry, buy the
custom carry model. If for target shooting, buy the premier 2 with the adjustable sights. They are extremely well made and the accuracy is unbelievable. You will spend approximately $1900.00 for the Baer. Give John a call at 1911heaven.com. , he is one of the biggest distributors of Les Baers in the west coast.
If you want a "pretty refined 1911", spend the extra 1000.00 and buy a wilson or nighthawk. They are also very good guns and maintain their resale value. I also purchased an Ed Brown custom carry bobtail for around $2300.00, was not really impressed with the workmanship. My kimber gold combat shoots just as well.

Litespeeds
02-15-2016, 4:59 PM
First 1911 was a Kimber Tactical Custom II because I didn't know any better. I decided to skip right to the top and picked up a Wilson Combat CQB Elite. At least to the top of what I am willing to spend on a semi-custom 1911.

There is something about a WC that just can't be explained. The fit and finish is excellent. Feels amazing in my hand too.

Never fired a Springfield Pro, Nighthawk, Ed Brown or Les Baer so can't comment as they are all special in their own ways. All are extremely accurate and it all comes down to what you can afford and what name brand you want to own.

Heck, my Kimber can shoot just as well as my Wilson Combat at 15 yards. It's when it comes to 25 yards or more that these semi-custom guns start to shine.

Corbin Dallas
02-15-2016, 7:06 PM
I am THE glock fan and I'd say...

Get a Dan Wesson Valor.

XDJYo
02-15-2016, 9:33 PM
I am THE glock fan and I'd say...



Get a Dan Wesson Valor.


A Dan Wesson? Psshhhh! Of course you like Glocks! Lol! Jk!




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FlyingPen
02-15-2016, 9:48 PM
I mean, since the Colt is significantly cheaper, it would be a full custom gun.

Snuffleupagus
02-15-2016, 10:09 PM
Baer and Brown are great. I will always choose Guncrafter over Wilson.

Angrysnarf
02-15-2016, 10:32 PM
Colt

Libertarian71
02-16-2016, 12:20 AM
Ed Browns, for some reason, feel better in my hand than any other 1911. (Maybe it is because the frontstrap seems a little thinner.) I prefer them to some of their competitors because Ed Browns are generally less "tacti-cool" looking, and more understated.

WWDHD?
02-16-2016, 12:42 AM
I'm far from a 1911 expert but my Ed Brown SF just has a different feel to it from my other 1911's and I shoot better and more accurately with it. I bought it used (very well cared for) and I'm glad I did- it's a keeper.

Baer1911
02-16-2016, 1:31 AM
out of Colt, Les Baer and Brown, I say go with Les Baer.

If you have $4000 to blow, go with SA Pro or Wilson Combat...

ABR
02-16-2016, 4:29 AM
I own more Brown's than any other brand in my collection. I like the higher grip that EB provides (and don't need to pay extra for)vs my other semi customs. I shoot my Wilson's well but usually grab a Brown when reaching into the safe. Both companies have provided excellent customer service over the years and recommend them both.

teflondog
02-16-2016, 9:32 AM
I don't think it's fair to compare Colt to semi-custom 1911s. The Colt I owned had a lot of play in the slide and was picky with ammo. I would get a Springfield Loaded before buying another Colt.

If you're on a budget, then I'd choose the Les Baer from your list since it's priced well below Ed Brown. If you only plan on getting one 1911, then I'd save up more and get a Wilson Combat.

discoed
02-16-2016, 8:31 PM
From those 3 I would go Les Baer. It tough to compare the Colt to a Les.

rogervzv
02-17-2016, 6:11 AM
My Dan Wesson PM-7 will shoot as accurately as a Les Baer and far more reliably. It never jams.

My Colt XSE is probably not quite as accurate as a Les Baer gun. It is far more reliable. My two Colt Gold Cups would be fun to put up against a Baer but I have never done so. I will say that they are dog-nuts accurate.

The Baers I've run across required a lot of break-in to be reliable. My DW and Colts required none.

The finish on the Colts and DW look better to me than the finish on the Baer.

I have no experience with Wilson Combat or Ed Brown. I hear that these are fine 1911s.

robert101
02-17-2016, 8:54 AM
Sorry to disagree, but my PM-7 10MM required a trip back to DW for repairs due to mis-feeds. It is better now but not close to perfection. I have a G27 for carry and feel confident in its reliability.

Big bug
02-17-2016, 9:14 AM
make mine a wilson combat .....and I don't even prefer 1911's

FlyingPen
02-17-2016, 9:31 AM
I don't think it's fair to compare Colt to semi-custom 1911s. The Colt I owned had a lot of play in the slide and was picky with ammo. I would get a Springfield Loaded before buying another Colt.

If you're on a budget, then I'd choose the Les Baer from your list since it's priced well below Ed Brown. If you only plan on getting one 1911, then I'd save up more and get a Wilson Combat.

Yeah the Colt would get $1,000 in customization from a good smith.

jeffrice6
02-17-2016, 2:34 PM
Ruger > Baer

Mr. Patis
02-17-2016, 3:55 PM
Les baer..best bang for your buck imo