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WokMaster1
08-18-2008, 6:26 PM
What's the story here? She did not vote along party lines & they booted her out of the State Capital building? Any juicy details? I don't understand how the Demorcratic party leaders can kick out someone voted by the people of King County. I know that she has voted for our cause a few times so could it be that it is revenge?:confused:

aplinker
08-18-2008, 6:37 PM
She's not kicked out of her duties, just her "preferred" place in the building.

She got "demoted" from her good office into the annex...

the_natterjack
08-18-2008, 6:46 PM
California politics. Vote the party line or you'll loose your nice office and have to work out of the third floor bathroom. The one with no outside vents.

Things must be serious, last time they did something like this they just changed the locks on some office doors.

RRangel
08-18-2008, 6:48 PM
What do you expect from victim disarmers?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/08/nicole-parra-fr.html

Nicole Parra: From the state house to the dog house

What happens when you cross Karen Bass, the L.A. Democrat who leads the Assembly? Nicole Parra, the lone Assembly Democrat to refuse to vote for her party's spending plan on Sunday, shared the answer as her staff packed for a sudden banishment move to a small office across the street from the state Capitol. (That's Parra in the photo at right.) Nancy Vogel has the details:

Bass ordered Assemblywoman Nicole Parra of Hanford out of her fifth-floor Capitol office and into an office building across the street where legislative staffers work.

“They wanted us to have everything packed up by 4 p.m.,” said Parra’s chief of staff, Derek Chernow, as he ripped packing tape to seal a box of office supplies. “We’re just doing what we’re asked by the powers that be.”

bwiese
08-18-2008, 6:50 PM
Nicole Parra should be considered a friend by gunnies.

Glad she's standing up to The Don.

Of particular note:It probably didn’t help that Parra has offered more enthusiastic support of the Republican running to replace her -- Danny Gilmore -- than the Democrat, Fran Florez, the mother of Sen. Dean Florez (D-Shafter), with whom Parra has openly feuded for years.

Bad Voodoo
08-18-2008, 6:52 PM
Seriously? :rolleyes:

This is the kind of immature atmosphere the DNC fosters, in honor of Feinstein, Pelosi, Boxer and their other CA socialist raiders. What a three-ring circus this state has become. I sure hope the (D)s responsible for these state and federal quagmires get destroyed in this next election cycle.

sorensen440
08-18-2008, 7:46 PM
wow what a bunch of children

hoffmang
08-18-2008, 7:50 PM
Parra has been a very good friend of gun rights so don't blame her.

-Gene

dfletcher
08-18-2008, 7:51 PM
Very short sighted. In the long run the chimp who grooms others usually fosters greater support than the one who terrorizes or bullies. Considering the capabilities of our majority legislators, I think the chimp analogy is appropriate - no offense to chimps in general is intended. ;)

RRangel
08-18-2008, 8:32 PM
Karen Bass looks like a real piece of work. My guess is that Parra won't have a hard time being elected by her constituents, which crazies like Bass won't let her represent. We need more of a TTBO mentality for the Karen Bass's of California, and especially the victim disarmers.

American_pride
08-18-2008, 8:32 PM
I think she is termed out. It is to bad because I would vote for her again. She actually represents the people that elected her. :eek: OMG how far in the past is she. I get so tired of the Republicans this, and the Democrats that. Why dont the people elected just represent who voted for them.......

Rant Off

Springfield45
08-18-2008, 9:06 PM
Still no state budget, again. State workers laid off or threatened to be paid Federal Minimum wadge $6.55 by a uncaring Governor that can't figure out what is going on. Gas over $4.00 a gallon. The (so called) compassionate Democrats are starting to feed on each other. Republicans are dug in like it is the Alamo. The legislature decides it is a good time to vote on trans-fat bans, and Anti gun bills instead of a Constitutionally required Budget. Now lets raise taxes to support the people that don't want to work.

Cats and dogs living together....Mass Hysteria!

scootergmc
08-18-2008, 10:06 PM
Imagine, a representative who represents her district- not her party. What a concept.

Go Parra.

FreedomIsNotFree
08-18-2008, 10:30 PM
Offices should be given by seniority...not petty politics. This is an example of how ridiculous politics in this state have become...well, they've been that way for quite some time.

bwiese
08-18-2008, 10:32 PM
Still no state budget, again. State workers laid off or threatened to be paid Federal Minimum wadge $6.55 by a uncaring Governor that can't figure out what is going on.

Count your blessings on the $6/hr.

Many of us would be happy to see a fair chunk of state employees laid off and replacements hired with no retirement/no health care.

dfletcher
08-18-2008, 11:12 PM
Count your blessings on the $6/hr.

Many of us would be happy to see a fair chunk of state employees laid off and replacements hired with no retirement/no health care.

I went to the Daly City DMV a few days ago. I was surprised when one of the workers told me they were half staffed. I couldn't tell the difference, the usual wait, hanging out with "Dawn of The Dead" extras. If DMV provides the same service being half staffed I say save some $$$ and cut away.

ldivinag
08-18-2008, 11:23 PM
just saw this on the news...

What a bunch of babies...

plus parra isn't bad on the eyes either... ;)

sorensen440
08-18-2008, 11:31 PM
Count your blessings on the $6/hr.

Many of us would be happy to see a fair chunk of state employees laid off and replacements hired with no retirement/no health care.

+1000

mikehaas
08-19-2008, 9:09 AM
Nicole Parra has consistently supported the Second Amendment as far back as I remember. She is a shining example of how gun-owners should not blanketly condemn Democrats. Instead, let's consider what it must be like for her and Democrats like her who try to do the right thing.

Let's keep in mind that the GOP only sits in 1/3 of the state government. Even if every Republican voted with NRA everytime, it would not be enough to pass or stop anything. We need cooperation with Democrats for ANY victory and NRA gets it. My hats off to Ms. Parra and other Democrats like her who understand this issue and it's importance. IMO, that bodes well for their ability to govern.

Term limits has been a disaster for gun rights. It's another shining example - of how the initiative process can work against the people because emotion rules the day.

hill billy
08-19-2008, 9:16 AM
It's pretty interesting that she is a Cal grad but votes for the 2nd and the Sierra Club hates her. Way to go, Parra, we're sad to see you go. :(

vf111
08-19-2008, 10:42 AM
What are her options? Can she run for the State Senate? Or possibly Congress? Or does her "maverick" tendencies to buck the Democrat platform pretty much kill her chances of further office as a (D)? Crap I hate this two party system BS.....

RomanDad
08-19-2008, 10:47 AM
Good For her!!!!

CCWFacts
08-19-2008, 10:51 AM
It's really too bad she is being termed out. She was one of our best allies.

Bad Voodoo
08-19-2008, 1:56 PM
Count your blessings on the $6/hr.

Many of us would be happy to see a fair chunk of state employees laid off and replacements hired with no retirement/no health care.

I'd rather they were laid off without replacement. We have too many state-employed, unionized, liberal enablers as it is in CA. Kick their asses to the street and let them fend for themselves like the rest of us.

I'll bet you could whack 20% of the state's bottom-feeding employees and not feel any pain while obtaining two side benefits: 1.) balance the budget, and 2.) eliminate the union dues associated with the affected individuals. Cut the liberal (D)s off at the funding source. That would surely hurt their cause in this state, wouldn't it?

dfletcher
08-19-2008, 2:08 PM
just saw this on the news...

What a bunch of babies...

plus parra isn't bad on the eyes either... ;)

Are you suggesting Ms. Bass is not easy on the eyes ..... :smilielol5:

jerryg1776
08-19-2008, 6:22 PM
What do you expect from victim disarmers?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/08/nicole-parra-fr.html

Nicole Parra: From the state house to the dog house

They should stage a good old fashioned hippie style sit in!!!

Meplat
08-19-2008, 7:20 PM
Para, in general has represented her district well, in general she is a DEM. She deserves our support. Meplat Fresno.






Parra has been a very good friend of gun rights so don't blame her.

-Gene

Mallardstacker
08-19-2008, 8:06 PM
Para, in general has represented her district well, in general she is a DEM. She deserves our support. Meplat Fresno.

I went to her webpage and sent her a message thanking her for past and continued support of the RKBA :) (Link on the bottom left of the page)

zenthemighty
08-20-2008, 10:30 AM
Nicole Parra is awesome. She's the only Democrat I have voted for this decade! She understands and represents the people in her district well.

GuyW
08-20-2008, 7:07 PM
Would this be a bad time to put in a plug for Proposition 11 - the redistricting proposal?

Sunwolf
08-20-2008, 7:27 PM
Parra has done well for her district...and she`s a babeorama!

aileron
08-21-2008, 6:34 AM
California politics. Vote the party line or you'll loose your nice office and have to work out of the third floor bathroom. The one with no outside vents.

Things must be serious, last time they did something like this they just changed the locks on some office doors.

Cool maybe we can get most dems to do get demoted to an office on the third floor, then it will have no effect on them, and they can boot the ones that require party line voting with window seats. :p

Very short sighted. In the long run the chimp who grooms others usually fosters greater support than the one who terrorizes or bullies. Considering the capabilities of our majority legislators, I think the chimp analogy is appropriate - no offense to chimps in general is intended. ;)

I'm offended for the chimps regardless. ;)

I wrote her to thank her for standing up for what she believes in btw.

FEDUPWBS
08-21-2008, 6:58 AM
Count your blessings on the $6/hr.

Many of us would be happy to see a fair chunk of state employees laid off and replacements hired with no retirement/no health care.

As long as we start with those darned prison guards right Bill;). I say throw the doors open and let em free!

rue
08-21-2008, 8:01 AM
I watched the story on the news and they showed the lady who booted her and they asked why and she said she won't discuss it with the public. That's funny because last I checked she worked for the public and anything she does should be discussed openly in my opinion. It just goes to show you these people think they are above the public and can do what they want.

Meplat
08-21-2008, 6:13 PM
What is a "babeorma"?:rolleyes:


Parra has done well for her district...and she`s a babeorama!

Meplat
08-21-2008, 7:12 PM
Maybe we could use illegals, they work cheep.

The health care is deteriorating, the pension ain't that great. My real income has diminished by 22% over the last 15 years. I could make 50% more in the private sector, still keep my state retirement, and double dip another as well. I have 25 years experience at what I do, and at the risk of sounding egotistical, my skills and experience at the unique job I do cannot be replaced. I could retire right now and get 60% of my base pay, while making more money in private industry. So, I am effectively working for 40%. I put up with it because I think what I do is important to the economy of the Central Valley and the state in general, as well as to the food supply of the country and the world. I am hanging on until we get enough younger people with enough experience. BTW, my project does not use a penny of general fund (read "your") money. We are entirely funded by the agricultural industry. We are fighting tooth and nail to keep the GD tree huggers from shutting us down.

I put in a days work for a days pay, and a lot of times more. We have to travel often, you seen one motel room you seen them all, so I and most of my crew put in 12 or 14 hrs. and get paid for 8, we don't mind. On top of that when we travel we get $6.00 for breakfast, $10 for lunch and $14 for dinner. Try to eat for that, even in Denies, and have coffee, and leave a decent tip. We barely get enough to stay in a decent motel, but not if we are in a high dollar area. Thank god our job is in rural areas where the rates are not as high. Bottom line is we go in the hole every time we travel. On top of that, you are not home, if the plumbing fouls up momma has to call a plumber that makes three times what you do.

Every time the budget comes up everyone wants to dump on state employees. We are not all Prison guards and CHP's with fat wages and fat early retirements. If it's such a cushy deal why don't you get in on it? Can’t you qualify? I know, you call DMV and get put on hold for 45 minutes before they hang up on you. But that's because the legislature would rather fund programs that buy votes than essential services. You call our office and you get a real person within four rings. And that real person knows what the F their talking about.

Until you can talk about something you really know something about, you can Kiss My ***.




Count your blessings on the $6/hr.

Many of us would be happy to see a fair chunk of state employees laid off and replacements hired with no retirement/no health care.

bwiese
08-21-2008, 9:25 PM
= BTW, my project does not use a penny of general fund (read "your") money. We are entirely funded by the agricultural industry

Um, that's typical gov't affrontery not knowing where money comes from.

THE AG INDUSTRY DOES NOT PAY FOR IT, it's just the first point of contact - ALL FEES AND TAXES ARE ALWAYS PAID, IN THE END, BY THE CONSUMER/BUYER. Joe and Mary Blow at Safeway or Raleys pay for it hidden in the cost of their food.

It's just like no corporation really pays corporate income tax when you think about it at the deepest level - it's just wealth transfer from their customers to the state via the corporation.

No disrespect to you specifically but I am sure the industry will not warp without you or your agency's "services". Whether or not you are hard working or not (and I am sure you are), you do not create wealth like the private sector does. Most all gov't services are not needed except for emergency stuff (fire, flood) and basic compliance inspections.

I think it's safe to say 1/2 the employees of the State of CA could be disposed of without anyone noticing anything bad.


If it's such a cushy deal why don't you get in on it? Can’t you qualify?

I am nicely employed, thank you.

And I would put a gun to my head before I ever resorted to lowering myself to take gov't money.
(I don't take unemployment between jobs either.)

I just hate having to pay for services I and others don't want or need.


Until you can talk about something you really know something about, you can Kiss My ***.

I know enough about it because I have to pay for it.

I'll consider it a start when all state employees have retirement age at 65 and have 401ks instead of defined-benefit pensions.

Meplat
08-22-2008, 12:46 AM
Um, that's typical gov't affrontery not knowing where money comes from.

THE AG INDUSTRY DOES NOT PAY FOR IT, it's just the first point of contact - ALL FEES AND TAXES ARE ALWAYS PAID, IN THE END, BY THE CONSUMER/BUYER.
Joe and Mary Blow at Safeway or Raleys pay for it hidden in the cost of their food.

Got it all wrapped up real neat don't you? You are incorrect; ultimately all taxes are paid for by producers. Just because you consume something does not mean you paid a tax or fee on it, it doesn’t even mean you gave reasonable compensation for it. The only people who can be taxed are producers, who can be taxed on or robbed of the fruit of their labor.

The food that Joe & Mary buy is cheaper because of what I do. The grower who pays my salary can produce his crops a LOT cheaper because of what I do. He is more competitive on the world market because of what I do. He pays me gladly because he gets a lot more bang for his buck from me than he does from most of the private sector vendors and contractors he deals with. And the minute he does not he can vote me out of existence because I serve at the pleasure of his industry board! On top of that what I do would be nearly impossible for a private sector entity to do.

I am a libertarian. I know where you are coming from, but it chaps my *** when fools latch onto some supposed little factoid slogan, chant it like the sheep in Animal Farm and think they are being intellectual.

It's just like no corporation really pays corporate income tax when you think about it at the deepest level - it's just wealth transfer from their customers to the state via the corporation.

Deepest level? I figured that out when I was twelve. You haven't even figured out that you can't be taxed unless you produce something to take.

No disrespect to you specifically

You have disrespected me specifically.

but I am sure the industry will not warp without you or your agency's "services".

Warp? The ability to grow several crops in the central valley would cease.

The economic upheaval for CA's economy would be wrenching. Farmers would have to convert to other crops that are much less lucrative and produce only a fraction of the jobs that present crops do.

The women in the packing houses who are working right now to buy school clothes for the kids. The pickers in the fields. The foundation of this economy that eventually trickles up to provide a market for whatever goods or services YOU provide.

Do you really want to be dependent on foreign sources for your food as well as your gas?

Whether or not you are hard working or not (and I am sure you are), you do not create wealth like the private sector does.

The hell I don't!

Maybe you should take a break from pontificating on the net and read a book or two on economics. "Thinking Beyond Stage One" By Thomas Sowell would be a good start.

Most all gov't services are not needed except for emergency stuff (fire, flood) and basic compliance inspections.

Most is a big word. You have just named most of government except for the welfare sector and don't blame that on me.

Personally I could live without most "compliance inspections", fire and rescue can be contracted out, hell, they even have contract prisons.

I think it's safe to say 1/2 the employees of the State of CA could be disposed of without anyone noticing anything bad.

I agree, but don't go badmouthing the ones that are doing good necessary work.

I am nicely employed, thank you.

And I would put a gun to my head before I ever resorted to lowering myself to take gov't money.
(I don't take unemployment between jobs either.)

I'm not covered by unemployment. Bet you didn't know that either.


I just hate having to pay for services I and others don't want or need.

Tell it to the stupid politicians you elected. But, get off my ****ing back.

I know enough about it because I have to pay for it.

You eat cheep because of me and you don’t know didly squat about it.

I'll consider it a start when all state employees have retirement age at 65 and have 401ks instead of defined-benefit pensions.

That would be one hell of a lot better deal than we have now. Oh that's right you think we all get the sweet deal the prison guards and CHP have. God help me I'm in a battle of wits with an intellectual Lilliputian.



End of rant:p