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Walky Talky
02-03-2016, 6:08 AM
. . for the purpose of making a new gun for today What do you think they would make today. Which one of their designs would they most likely improve upon. Who would win the competition?


John Browning
Samuel Colt
Daniel Wesson
Willi Korth
George Jennings
Casimir Lefaucheux

mike415stone
02-03-2016, 6:12 AM
What, no bacon option?

SmallShark
02-03-2016, 6:13 AM
He finds out his gun is not considered "safe" in California, then he uses his newly creation to end his life.

Walky Talky
02-03-2016, 6:15 AM
He finds out his gun is not considered "safe" in California, then he uses his newly creation to end his life.

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Cpetersen
02-03-2016, 6:26 AM
iiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaggggggiiiiiinnnaaaaaaati iiiioooooonnnnnn-land!

*southpark reference*

Not so Chapped Hide
02-03-2016, 8:17 AM
Where's Gaston Glock? ;)

Edit: he's not dead yet I guess.

supertrooper
02-03-2016, 8:31 AM
What, no bacon option?

Im subitting a write in vote for bacon

Red-Osier77
02-03-2016, 8:37 AM
Richard j Gatling, I need a california safe model Gatling gun.It's a hand operated gun in my book.

pterrell
02-03-2016, 8:40 AM
It's a hand operated gun in my book.

Aren't all guns "hand operated"?

Red-Osier77
02-03-2016, 8:44 AM
Aren't all guns "hand operated"?

Why yes, yes they are. Good point;)

reverser
02-03-2016, 8:50 AM
Samsung SGR-A1 sentry gun is an autonomous robotic sentry gun used by South Korea. So no. It has no hands.

Aren't all guns "hand operated"?

pterrell
02-03-2016, 8:51 AM
Samsung SGR-A1 sentry gun is an autonomous robotic sentry gun used by South Korea. So no. It has no hands.

Ban it.

reverser
02-03-2016, 8:55 AM
In a few more years, it will more likely ban us. lol

Ban it.

pterrell
02-03-2016, 8:57 AM
In a few more years, it will more likely ban us. lol
Most likely

tbc
02-03-2016, 7:16 PM
Where's Gaston Glock? ;)

Edit: he's not dead yet I guess.


He is still working on this:
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Walky Talky
02-03-2016, 7:24 PM
He is still working on this:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160204/f2256f1abefd80e3bc4df5f265f80cdb.jpg


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Is that photoshopped?

orangeusa
02-03-2016, 7:27 PM
Uhh, John Moses Browning made a huge impact. Think about all the 50 cal guns used in WWII, Korea, and VN. Not counting 1911, Hi-Power, so many wonderful things.

I can't believe I am posting in a WT thread.

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CockedAndLocked
02-03-2016, 7:40 PM
has to be Browning, over 100 years later his design is STILL one of the most revered and sought after

stormvet
02-03-2016, 8:43 PM
This poll is a nail bitter, too close to call right now.

cockedandglocked
02-03-2016, 9:04 PM
haha, did anyone catch that George Jennings (Raven Arms) was an option? Funny thing, the guy who invented the flush toilet goes by the same name. It's almost like the second George had to live up to his namesake by inventing something to go into the first George's invention.

cockedandglocked
02-03-2016, 9:07 PM
This poll is a nail bitter, too close to call right now.

If Iowa taught us anything, we should just call it a tie.

Walky Talky
02-03-2016, 9:42 PM
haha, did anyone catch that George Jennings (Raven Arms) was an option? Funny thing, the guy who invented the flush toilet goes by the same name. It's almost like the second George had to live up to his namesake by inventing something to go into the first George's invention.

That's very funny

. . . but let me provide you with a little perspective


The gun control act of 1968 effectively made the import of cheap foreign guns to be impossible. This left a void in the industry. Why would any advocate of guns want a void to be left in the industry? George Jennings filled that void by creating a great gun for cheap . . the gun was a target of many gun control efforts. This is something that should be on page two of every economic text book, right next to the standard rhetoric about the Ford Pinto. The materials may of been cheap but it's well-functioning gun, accurate and pretty fun round. If I had smaller fingers it would be great to shoot all day

cockedandglocked
02-03-2016, 9:59 PM
That's very funny

. . . but let me provide you with a little perspective


The gun control act of 1968 effectively made the import of cheap foreign guns to be impossible. This left a void in the industry. Why would any advocate of guns want a void to be left in the industry? George Jennings filled that void by creating a great gun for cheap . . the gun was a target of many gun control efforts. This is something that should be on page two of every economic text book, right next to the standard rhetoric about the Ford Pinto. The materials may of been cheap but it's well-functioning gun, accurate and pretty fun round. If I had smaller fingers it would be great to shoot all day

Oh I know all that, I was just joking :cool:

I noticed the coincidence when I was googling his name, and couldn't let it go, can you blame me?

meno377
02-03-2016, 10:08 PM
Browning. Knowing him, he would probably improve on Eugene Stoner's design of the AR-15 along with Colt.

AFTII
02-03-2016, 10:18 PM
You left out Harry Sanford.

Dr.Lou
02-04-2016, 5:01 AM
Uhh, John Moses Browning made a huge impact. Think about all the 50 cal guns used in WWII, Korea, and VN. Not counting 1911, Hi-Power, so many wonderful things.

I can't believe I am posting in a WT thread.

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The M2 50 cal's service didn't end in Nam, it is still in use by our military, NATO and many other forces around the globe.

Dr.Lou
02-04-2016, 5:09 AM
Browning. Knowing him, he would probably improve on Eugene Stoner's design of the AR-15 along with Colt.

AR15 lol - Browning would likely throw the piece of crap in the trash and start from scratch. To my mind the Stoner's AR15 platform and its rotary bolt BCG is a very poor design for its intended use. Can't believe the AR15 has proliferated to the extent that it has.

BarrettM99
02-04-2016, 5:19 AM
John C Garand.

Not only did the man invent the greatest battle Implement ever devised, but he also invented many of the tools/machinery to make it.

That's just gangsta...like pimpin' since been pimpin'

SonofWWIIDI
02-04-2016, 5:57 AM
Poll fail! No bacon!
:D

Browning is my choice.

heidad01
02-04-2016, 7:07 AM
I can't believe I am posting in a WT thread.

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Me neither,


Just wacky.

el_clingon
02-04-2016, 7:13 AM
i want to vote for bacon...

heidad01
02-04-2016, 7:14 AM
Sorry guys. I do not get the bacon thing. Is that something like the Boating Accident???

Crocketus
02-04-2016, 7:19 AM
Of those options, Browning but I think the Mauser Brothers should get a mention as their rifle design is still in use and production today.

I Swan
02-04-2016, 8:51 AM
You left out Harry Sanford.

Lots of interesting designs but poorly executed and poor QC. I know someone that used to work with him. I heard he was a very nice guy.

Lead Waster
02-04-2016, 12:05 PM
Where's Gaston Glock? ;)

Edit: he's not dead yet I guess.

LOL, I was thinking that too.

Love them or hate them, you can't deny that the design of the Glock pistol is nothing short of sheer genius.

JDW67
02-04-2016, 12:36 PM
If this is for a new gun, then I wouldn't want any of these guys designing it. All these old guys built weapons that are over 100 years old in technology.

I'm looking forward to particle beams, lasers, rail guns...

451040
02-04-2016, 1:54 PM
None of the above. It's a tie between Eugene Stoner and Gaston Glock.

71MUSTY
02-04-2016, 1:56 PM
No Carbine Kelly?

onelonehorseman
02-04-2016, 2:24 PM
Sorry guys. I do not get the bacon thing. Is that something like the Boating Accident???

Everything is better with bacon! :thumbsup:

Sabian722
02-04-2016, 2:38 PM
Browning is killin it here

Blademan21
02-04-2016, 3:57 PM
Browning. Then he would make a 3-Inch 1911 that works.
One won't have to send it back and forth to fix the jamomatic physics.

Carcassonne
02-04-2016, 5:33 PM
John C Garand.

Not only did the man invent the greatest battle Implement ever devised, but he also invented many of the tools/machinery to make it.

That's just gangsta...like pimpin' since been pimpin'

The Garand was complicated to make. The barrel threads had to be cut so it could be indexed within 0.0005". They tried to refine the Garand, and make it easier to manufacture, by creating the M14, but that was also a flop.

The StG44 was the greatest battle rifle ever devised. Almost every battle rifle in use today is based on the StG44.

Carcassonne
02-04-2016, 5:39 PM
Browning. Then he would make a 3-Inch 1911 that works.
One won't have to send it back and forth to fix the jamomatic physics.

My Colt Officers works, but I am not sure if it has a 3 inch barrel.



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451040
02-04-2016, 8:09 PM
The StG44 was the greatest battle rifle ever devised.

The StG 44 is not a battle rifle.

WartHog
02-04-2016, 8:18 PM
The StG 44 is not a battle rifle.

True dat...

Walky Talky
02-04-2016, 8:21 PM
The StG 44 is not a battle rifle.

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You're right http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ohhh.png


Rifles are inanimate objects and therefore we shouldn't be attaching adjectives to them

Blademan21
02-05-2016, 5:52 AM
My Colt Officers works, but I am not sure if it has a 3 inch barrel.



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According to Colt you have a 3.5" barrel.

I Swan
02-05-2016, 9:57 AM
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on second thought . . . http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/jbhmmm.png


You're right http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ohhh.png


Rifles are inanimate objects and therefore we shouldn't be attaching adjectives to them

Wha he means is the stg44 is an assault rifle by definition not a battle rifle. Both are actual accepted terms for different classes of rifles. Stg44 was revolutionary but did have design flaws later corrected in guns copying the assault rifle idea.

What is wrong with the M14 how is it a failure?

Carcassonne
02-05-2016, 10:38 AM
What is wrong with the M14 how is it a failure?

How long was it in general service with the US military? I know it is still used today for special purposes, but they ditched it because it didn't work as good as a battle rifle should.


http://looserounds.com/2015/01/30/the-m14-not-much-for-fighting-a-case-against-the-m14-legend/

https://www.full30.com/video/9eef6b3a4eb6c8846a4c8dc4b8968bc4

https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8


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451040
02-05-2016, 3:20 PM
How long was it in general service with the US military?

by your measure the StG 44 is the bigger flop

I Swan
02-06-2016, 6:19 AM
by your measure the StG 44 is the bigger flop

Very good point. Also the Carcano and the Mosin Nagant must be wonderful if using that criteria as both had service lifes of 50+ years.

I Swan
02-08-2016, 9:00 AM
How long was it in general service with the US military? I know it is still used today for special purposes, but they ditched it because it didn't work as good as a battle rifle should.


http://looserounds.com/2015/01/30/the-m14-not-much-for-fighting-a-case-against-the-m14-legend/

https://www.full30.com/video/9eef6b3a4eb6c8846a4c8dc4b8968bc4

https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8


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I read that link it is interesting. However a relative of mine preferred the M14 in combat and I've heard another vet or two say the same thing and I'd trust their first hand experiences over some guys on the internet.

Another gun magazine writer who saw a lot of combat didn't like battle rifles in general he says too hard to carry the gun and spare ammo on extended patrols.