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kwest10
08-14-2008, 9:09 AM
Isn't private property PRIVATE property and you can do whatever you want on it with a weapon as long as you're not popping off rounds in the backyard?
Reason I ask is...
My GF just evicted a **** pig tennant who hasn't paid in 10+ months and the Riverside Sheriff executed the eviction yesterday. Tenants are the worst people and 99% sure they're meth heads. This ***** went so far as to sue GF that she didn't need to pay rent since it was "unhabitable" since they never provided a microwave. They are that shady and POS'S!
My GF doesn't feel safe going there alone and so I need to go with. Well, before I enter the place I'd like to enter with my weapon for obvious reasons. Plus the F-heads left to big german shepards in the back that apparently SHE IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR.
So if neighbors see me going into the home with a pistol or shotgun and call the cops, cops come. Am I looking at a big hassle or will they just come by, check me and weapon and leave since no crime is being committed and I'm there at the request of the owner?
I called an armed guard company and their fees are too high and they said I can't do that since I'm not LE or have a CA guard card? Any help is appreciated since I have to go there tonight TO FEED THEM DAMN DOGS!

hawk1
08-14-2008, 9:18 AM
Go down to the local police station and explain to them what happened. Ask if you can schedule to meet a deputy there. They will, if you do it on their time table.

kwest10
08-14-2008, 9:43 AM
Go down to the local police station and explain to them what happened. Ask if you can schedule to meet a deputy there. They will, if you do it on their time table.

I did. And they said it would depend on watch commander and how busy they were.

sorensen440
08-14-2008, 10:01 AM
I wouldn't go walking up to a house with a weapon drawn

cadurand
08-14-2008, 10:14 AM
This sounds like a bad bad idea.

The tenant, regardless of your opinion of them, probably has more rights that you do in this situation. I don't think a landlord's boyfriend has a right to carry weapons onto his girlfriend's property to help kick out tenants.

You need to arrange to have the local LE meet you at the address.

Anything is probably going to make you look like the bad guy and end up costing you money in legal fees.

damjo
08-14-2008, 10:43 AM
Call animal control and have them pick up the dogs.

kwest10
08-14-2008, 10:47 AM
sorry for the confusion gents. But the eviction has already been served, locks have been changed and they are NOT allowed to be on the property unless they make arrangements with her FIRST and at HER convenience. But I have a feeling that they will come back to the property and tresspass regardless. Animal control has already been called.
I wouldn't rush the property guns drawn. Basically open carry from the street to the door and check the property then let the GF in to take pics and have people come in to take pics, take assements etc.
and yes cadurand you're right. Scum have more rights than decent citizens.

Paratus et Vigilans
08-14-2008, 10:49 AM
Call animal control and have them pick up the dogs.


+1 Don't wait until tonight. Do it now, before the poor dogs die from the heat!! Their (former) owners may be scum, but it's not their fault. Call Riverside Co. Animal Control and tell them the dogs have been abandoned by evicted tenants. That will get it to the top of the priority list.

As for going there armed, bad idea. Do you really want to get into a gunfight with meth heads?? Be smart. Call for a civil standby.

Good luck.

nobs11
08-14-2008, 11:00 AM
Basically open carry from the street to the door and check the property then let the GF in to take pics and have people come in to take pics, take assements etc.
and yes cadurand you're right. Scum have more rights than decent citizens.

The law is in place so that decent citizens who rent can own firearms in their place of residence. Not every tenant is "scum." If you feel like there might be a confrontation, get the local LE involved. Being hot headed will get you in trouble either in criminal or civil court. Period.

kwest10
08-14-2008, 11:45 AM
thanks all for the input. Given this persons MO, the presence of a firearm is definitely not a good idea.
Not all tenants are scum b/c I have great ones at my property. But in this case, they are scum. Completely trashed the place, left her dogs there and a bird and still insits they won't pay rent due to lack of a MICROWAVE!?!??!
The dogs are our first priorty and I left them with food thrown over the fence. Yes they are the innocent victims. I've always owned dogs and I'd never leave them behind without food or water.

Ding126
08-14-2008, 12:03 PM
As said several times. Don't go on your own. Don't bring your firearm. (period ) Have the sheriff there with you. Let them use their weapons. You have all the opportunity to call for a escort, this is not a place time or event for being a hero.

Good Luck

BigKevLA
08-14-2008, 12:05 PM
You must take care of the animals for a certain amount of time. They are considered personal property and they law spells out the length of time that you must secure personal property. I don't if animal control will do anything at this point in time but you can try. Don't let anything happen to the animals on you're wathch because you're girlfriend can be held liable. I know California Landlord-Tenant Law sucks.

hawk1
08-14-2008, 5:25 PM
I did. And they said it would depend on watch commander and how busy they were.

Well, there's your answer then. Coordinate with them and get it done. Best case senario is they are on the property. The the po po can arrest them right then.
Don't go in with a firearm unless you are absolutely ready and willing to use it. If you hesitate, the outcome may not be what you expected.

Matt C
08-14-2008, 5:29 PM
As sad several times. Don't go on your own. Don't bring your firearm. (period ) Have the sheriff there with you. Let them use their weapons. You have all the opportunity to call for a escort, this is not a place time or event for being a hero.

Good Luck

avatar reads:

Rules for a Gunfight
1. bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all your friends who have guns.

LOL, the irony... I would sure as hell bring a gun, and open carry it and load up once on your property. Call the SD but if they won't show up, you still have to go in, so you better be armed.

MrEd
08-15-2008, 12:24 AM
Bad Bad Bad idea to bring a gun , your girlfriend is being sued the evicted tenant telling the Judge you showed up with a gun is sure to sink her FAST because you KNOW that they will make up some stories about you trying to intimidate them and so on , then they will ask for and receive a restraining order against YOU .

As to the lawsuit , was a microwave implied in the lease agreement ? if yes then she has a case , if no the lawsuit will be thrown out of court .

Some tenants are less then pleasant but saying that all tenants are scumbags is not entirely true . Eviction is part of the gig when owning rental property . I would Urge you to consider it like I do , this is Strictly business . It will help the stress level go down a few notches .

Matt C
08-15-2008, 12:28 AM
Bad Bad Bad idea to bring a gun , your girlfriend is being sued the evicted tenant telling the Judge you showed up with a gun is sure to sink her FAST because you KNOW that they will make up some stories about you trying to intimidate them and so on , then they will ask for and receive a restraining order against YOU .


Intimidate them?!? They ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE! If there is anyone there, arrest them! They can explain to the SD/DA/Judge that they felt intimidated during the arrest.

Liberty1
08-15-2008, 12:37 AM
Rent the property from your GF for whatever ($100). This should put you on better legal ground. Call the SO when ever you suspect trespass or vandalism and in all cases of contact with the individuals. Carry a tape recorder and have it on (proving your side of the story). Avoid conflict when ever possible.

Know the gun and self defense laws and case laws. It's your responsibility and your neck!

Matt C
08-15-2008, 12:42 AM
Rent the property from your GF for whatever ($100). This should put you on better legal ground. Call the SO when ever you suspect trespass or vandalism and in all cases of contact with the individuals. Carry a tape recorder and have it on (proving your side of the story). Avoid conflict when ever possible.

Know the gun and self defense laws and case laws. It's your responsibility and your neck!

Great advice. Hell carry a camcorder.