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bohoki
08-11-2008, 7:48 PM
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.22guy
08-11-2008, 8:01 PM
Well, my first reaction was no, but it's blackpowder so I'm not too sure. Either way it's pretty cool.

M. Sage
08-11-2008, 8:04 PM
Muzzle-loading? Legal, IIRC.

ETA: 12020 keeps talking about being able to fire "fixed shotgun shells". Should be good to go.

5150Marcelo
08-11-2008, 8:05 PM
Are you a pirate?:chris:

Bishop
08-11-2008, 8:06 PM
Pretty sure it's legal in CA considering it's BP, and there are few restrictions on BP firearms, even handguns.

I'm sure someone else will chime in with a more positive answer, but I just wanted to post because that's damn cool! :chris:

jamesob
08-11-2008, 8:07 PM
blackpowder=ok

Guntech
08-12-2008, 10:40 AM
Are you a pirate?:chris:

lol +1:D

liketoshoot
08-12-2008, 12:41 PM
No, send it to me please I want it. J/K
If it is black powder you are good to go.

motorhead
08-12-2008, 6:50 PM
bp=not a firearm

Ding126
08-12-2008, 7:01 PM
I'm sure if the anti's had there way. We would only have BP weapons. And in time they would take those away as well.

( would you have to add the BB? )

tunder
08-12-2008, 9:18 PM
Isn't it Muzzleloaders=not a firearm ,rather than BP=not a firearm?

Riodog
08-12-2008, 9:48 PM
bp=not a firearm

Does not matter what it uses for a propellant. It is a firearm. It cannot be carried concealed either on your person or in your glove box. Doesn't matter if it's loaded with shot or a solid projectile.

The law initially excluded them but was changed years ago. The cowboy shooters load their metallic shells with BP cuz they want the "smoke and fire effects". Spark + propellant= firearm. (without getting too technical).
Rio

Spiggy
08-12-2008, 10:01 PM
feeling like hoisting the black flag?

Black Powder muzzle-loaded arms are not considered firearms until used in a threatening or other illegal manner.

when carried, it is not considered a firearm until the primers are in... Supposedly

-But I am not a Lawyer

Decoligny
08-13-2008, 1:08 AM
feeling like hoisting the black flag?

Black Powder muzzle-loaded arms are not considered firearms until used in a threatening or other illegal manner.

when carried, it is not considered a firearm until the primers are in... Supposedly

-But I am not a Lawyer

Since it is smooth bore, it is not considered a short barrel rifle, and since it doesn't take fixed shells, it is not considered a short barrel shotgun (PC 12020).

Since it is not designed to be fired from the shoulder, it is not a shotgun either.

However, it is indeed still a firearm. The part about primers only comes into play in determining if it is loaded or not.

PC 12031 (g) A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of this section when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm; except that a muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.